The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny. The interesting thing is the very strong correlation between those people, and those prepared to pretend to give credence to the farcical sexual allegations about Julian Assange. Zoe Williams Guardian piece about what a jolly good chap Blair is I find breathtaking. War crimes like Blair’s result in terrible anguish for millions. I am prepared for purposes of argument to believe that Williams’ anguish for female victims of crime is genuine; why she can’t extend that to the tens of thousands of women who were raped because of Blair’s Iraq War, or had the still worse agony of seeing their children killed and mutilated I don’t know. Nick Cohen is just very, very sad. I just hold up these two in the hope that those deceived by feminist political correctness into following their lead against Assange will see to what they are subscribing.
Rather a side issue, but even if we accept Zoe Williams view that dead Iraqi children don’t matter, she appears not to have noticed that Blair introduced tuition fees, academies, kick-started NHS privatization, allowed the banksters’ bonanza leading to worldwide economic crash and oversaw the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history.
Afrend
Many thanks! All I have to do now is install Firefox. Happening as I speak.
1) You think the king / the leader is a shit but should you say it – what has it really got to do with you. If you accept the external norms, if you pay your taxes and say polite things and don’t express this is this so wrong? If you say the king / the leader is a shit so what? What has happened? If he really is a shit perhaps there is some immediate consequence e.g. if you live inThailand. What if 10,000 say the same? Big deal. So what? Does it make a change, or do you just get to feel good and that you are the moral side. Do people think Kiev happened because so many people thought they had a bad president or for other reasons? Our PR may say it was a popular protest and that is what happens when everyone speaks out. Really? Or was someone pulling the strings. From what I have read on this web site many posters seem to think there was a lot of manipulation going on (and throughout the arab spring). So what is the alternate, passive acceptance? No. I am not against speaking out, against protest, judicial process, but does it get us anywhere.
2)You think the king / the leader is a shit you remember the thought, the feeling. You say nothing. Something somewhere will begin to change. You think I am a shit. Something will begin to change.
Maybe not? Maybe.
Habbabkuk; “Three of you after almost a whole day. Good going, keep it up!”
Don’t sound so worried, as it’s not often I get enough free time; then again, perhaps I should make some extra time since it worries you so much.
Macky
“Habbabkuk; “Three of you after almost a whole day. Good going, keep it up!”
Don’t sound so worried, as it’s not often I get enough free time; then again, perhaps I should make some extra time since it worries you so much.”
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Oh, you chump! Three people announcing their intention to use Habbabreak (Nevermind, Ben and you), not three posts from you. Don’t flatter yourself! 🙂
Habbabkuk; “Three people announcing their intention to use Habbabreak (Nevermind, Ben and you)”
Your weasel wriggling is causing to state lies, so who’s really a chump ?
“Don’t flatter yourself!”
If only you would follow your own advice, there would be need of a Habbabreak.
I don’t normally bother to correct obvious typos, but when dealing which somebody desperate & disingenuous to state lies;
“there would be NO need of a Habbabreak”
Macky
Half an hour for you to spot your typo and correct it?
Just admit it, chump – you sneaked back to the thread and to your comment just to see whether or not I’d reacted to your post!
You just can’t live without me, can you. LOL
I have just seen the most appalling and blatant one-sided propaganda for Israel on the BBC 10pm News, a prime outlet for it. Nick Robinson is embedded with Miliband and his wife who are visiting Israel. They were shown at Yad Vashem and we were given again all the details of the holocaust including the fact that Miliband’s grandfather died in one of the camps. The couple were shown laying an enormous laurel wreath.
The scene moved to Sderot which, we were told by Robinson, is the place where ‘rockets from Gaza rain down’ endangering even the children. Mrs Miliband said how awful it was especially as they have a four year old of their own.
I think they moved on to somewhere else but, by this time, I had lost the thread.
I heard Robinson quote Miliband, at the conclusion of the segment, as he greeted his relations, ‘This is who I am. This is what makes me tick’.
So now we know for sure that if Miliband wins the next election, absolutely nothing will change vis-à-vis British governmental support for Zionist Israel.
Habbabreak really improves the threads. My compliments to the author. Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.
Mary (22h40)
“I have just seen the most appalling and blatant one-sided propaganda for Israel on the BBC 10pm News” ..etc…
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How do you work that out against the background of what follows in your post?
You describe a report on a prominent UK politician who’s visiting Israel and who visits Vad Yashem to lay a wreath. Understandable enough considering he’s Jewish and that one of his grandparents apparently died durng the holocaust. Given people’s general ignorance of history – even relatively recent history, understandabe also that the BBC should give some background on the holocaust.
Miliband then visits Sderot, on which, we are apparently told, rockets rain down. Well, I suppose rockets don’t get fired at Sderot every day from Gaza, and one could question the verb “rain down”, but it is true that Sderot has been under fire – albeit intermittently – for a long time. Probably for as long as, and no less intermittently, than the Israelis have bombed Gaza.
Then, after some more stuff which Mary can’t tell us about because “she lost the thread” (very convenient, that!), Miliband – a Jew and a politician with Prime Ministerial ambitions in an election which is due in a year’s time – is reported as expressing pride in his roots and paying tribute to them.
Weighty stuff indeed, but not weighty enough, in my opinion, to justify either the charge of “appalling one-sided BBC propaganda” or Mary’s conclusion that “absolutely nothing will change vis à vis (sic)British governmental support for Zionist Israel”.
Typical Mary tosh vis à vis (sic) her favorite hobby horse.
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Support the shekel!
Fucking Sickening Mary…The Absolute Lies LIES LIES LIES…of the criminals at bbc
The scene moved to Sderot which, we were told by Robinson, is the place where ‘rockets from Gaza rain down’ endangering even the children. Mrs Miliband said how awful it was especially as they have a four year old of their own.
ELSO. .
Re Gulag
“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
Leo Tolstoy
Here’s one US’s way of doing Gulag-like stuff, “in it’s own way”.
http://voices.yahoo.com/us-prison-population-largest-earth-2814625.html
Here’s another,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
And another,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site
etc…
You know this list could get quite long and that it refers to how the US behaves right now, not 80 years ago.
Milliband is getting his application in early for the job of British PM.
@Potlurk
“Habbabreak really improves the threads. My compliments to the author.”
Why thank you Potlurk, that’s very kind of you to say.
Just to let you know that an even newer Habbabreak Version 3 packed with one new feature is just this moment ready for download!
From Wiki:-
“Sderot lies one kilometer (0.62 miles) from the Gaza Strip and town of Beit Hanoun. Since the beginning of the Second Intifada in October 2000, the city has been under constant rocket fire from Qassam rockets launched by Hamas and Islamic Jihad.[38] Despite the imperfect aim of these homemade projectiles, they have caused deaths and injuries, as well as significant damage to homes and property, psychological distress and emigration from the city. The Israeli government has installed a “Red Color” (צבע אדום) alarm system to warn citizens of impending rocket attacks, although its effectiveness has been questioned. Citizens only have 7–15 seconds to reach shelter after the sounding of the alarm. Thousands of Qassam rockets have been launched since Israel’s disengagement from the Gaza Strip in September 2005.
In May 2007, a significant increase in shelling from Gaza prompted the temporary evacuation of thousands of residents.[39] By November 23, 2007, 6,311 rockets had fallen on the city.[40] Yediot Ahronoth reported that during the summer of 2007, 3,000 of the city’s 22,000 residents (consisting mostly of the city’s key upper and middle class residents) left for other areas, out of Qassam rocket range. Russian billionaire Arcadi Gaydamak organised a series of relief programs for residents unable to leave.[41] On December 12, 2007, after more than 20 rockets landed in the Sderot area in a single day, including a direct hit to one of the main avenues, Sderot mayor Eli Moyal announced his resignation, citing the government’s failure to halt the rocket attacks.[42] Moyal was persuaded to retract his resignation. ”
Youngest casualty so far was two. When a new railway was built from Tel Aviv the station at Sderot had to be armour plated.
Fifty-five rockets were fired into Israel on one day last month.
For some people any report on Israel which doesn’t mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at least once is going to be dismissed as “biased”.
@Potlurk
“Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.”
Please excuse me, I forgot to mention what the latest feature is.
You can now select to hide all comments which even mention Habbabkuk, nomatter who wrote them. It’s your choice. No more the impression of talking to themselves!
And don’t forget you can choose which people you want to hide and show. The flexibility will reinvigorate your Craig Murray experience.
Have a break with Habbabreak
Dear me what a cheek for the Israelis to complain, don’t they realise the Palestinians are only firing rockets onto the land which was stolen from them.
Wiki…
Afrend is From MY Star… Vega…We are ALL Brilliant from that System Ye Know.
This is Sweetness Though… BIG Time
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151875403860775
NEW HABBABREAK. IT REALLY REALLY WORKS!
…AND IT’S SO KIND TO MY HANDS!!!
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Afriend. Go raibh maith agat. You’re the best!
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Potlurk. 10 47pm
“Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.”
Yes, except that by the time a heckler has irritated you enough for you to feel motivated to use the software, you will also have a pretty good idea of the blog ecology and won’t need to read through any more of the bullshit than you choose.
I think it’s great that you can flip it on and off just in case you need to remind yourself what “public diplomacy” or obsessive attention-seeking looks like.
You might just want to dip back into it like a soap, to catch up with virtual family and friends, even demented old Uncle Habby in the corner.
Now we can choose to be entertained as much or little as we wish as an antidote to the grimness we so often are focussing on by the nature of Craig’s blog. (Craig. Thanks so much for providing the space for these conversations to happen.)
A Node says (4:42 pm)
…The main reason I find this blog valuable is because the conformity enforcers sometimes discuss issues. I want my beliefs to be intelligently challenged, I want new information to be sceptically scrutinised before I accept it…
And don’t they very effectively flag what issues need to have light shone on them.
The whole heckler drama here reminds me of an Anti GM protest in the 1990’s where the locality, but not the location, of a test plot of GM Beet (beet family are wind-pollinated) had been announced. Adverts were published inviting people to a picnic at a local beauty spot, this was to be followed by a protest at the, as yet undiscovered, site. On the appointed day a single car drove around the area for half an hour till the massed police and security henchmen were located. The picnic happened after which a protest / party was held beside the security cordon.
Thanks guys, now we know where to look.
Kempe 12 Apr, 2014 – 12:33 am
Bringing a little perspective to your post
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html
Thanks, Brian, that is just brilliant. I rarely laugh out loud at video. Watched that 3 times and laughed harder each time. Priceless.
Missing sentence from last post…
Isn’t looking daft a small price to pay for all the benefits of New Habbabreak?
Brian.
Formula 1 link. Simple, funny and effective. Thanks.
I’m away to bed smiling after that.
Sofia / A Node
glad to spread a wee bit of smiles aroon here… My beautiful daughter put it up first… i couldn’t Resist it
Meant to say A Node… adding my Commendation of you’re Reply to Mick… Spot on Dude
A Node
Meant also to say cheers for that mondoweiss Link..Hadn’t seen that one before…Awesome site that.
Habba,ESLO,Res Diss,Kempe…et al
Do run along chaps…you’ve been handed your dinner by many posters this last 36 hours.
Desperation has a smell fellas yeah?
Quit while you’re waysssss behind yah?
Thankees.
Tip:
Scottish Grand National…14-1…
Roberto Goldbaek.
Its from a good source but then again dont blame me if it fails…LOL
@SKN
“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
Leo Tolstoy
I couldn’t agree more – so don’t make idiotic claims that the GULAG and the US Prison system are similar. Think of them as belonging to different unhappy families, similarly stop trying to attribute everything that goes wrong in this World to the same underlying cause. Even better give us a break and read the rest of Anna Karenina – good chap that old Tolstoy.
JIves
Thank you for your post of 3.11am – the first I’ve seen from you that may have some content of value – unlikely but a I in 15 chance is rather better than the 1 in a million that is usually the case with your posts.
Must say that I enjoyed BF’s video link – it actually shows how effective protests can be made without resorting to the noisy yobbish street theatre antics that many people find threatening and consequently ignore what little message there may be.