From a British diplomatic source I learn that Britain has lobbied the United States against the publication of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and extraordinary rendition. The lobbying has been carried out “at all levels” – White House, State Department and CIA. The British have argued that at the very least the report must be emasculated before publication.
The British argument is that in a number of court cases including the Belhadj case, the British government has successfully blocked legal action by victims on the grounds that this would weaken the US/UK intelligence relationship and thus vitally damage national security, by revealing facts the American intelligence service wish hidden. [We will leave aside for the moment the utter shame of our servile groveling judges accepting such an argument]. The British Government are now pointing out to the Americans that this argument could be fatally weakened if major detail of the full horror and scope of torture and extraordinary rendition is revealed by the Senate Intelligence Committee. The argument runs that this could in turn lead to further revelations in the courts and block the major defence against prosecutions of Blair, Straw and Dearlove, among others, potentially unleashing a transatlantic wave of judicial activism.
The unabashed collusion of two torturing security states in concealing the truth of their despicable acts – including complicity in the torture of women and minors – and blocking criminal prosecution of the guilty is a sign of how low public ethics have sunk. Fortunately there are still a few people in the British Foreign Office disgusted enough to leak it.
The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.
“Posters demand Ukraine Jews ‘pay new tax or leave'”
1 hour ago
Posters and leaflets have appeared in Donetsk, Eastern Ukrainian, demanding Jews register, pay a new tax or leave, because of ‘their support for the Kiev government’.
“The leaflets were signed by the pro-Russian group People’s Republic of Donetsk, but it says they are fake and designed to discredit Moscow’s supporters.”
“The BBC has obtained CCTV footage that shows how leaflets were distributed. Around 15,000 Jews live in the city.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27086345
Not with a US ring of missiles pointing at Eurasia Sofia. They need the Russian supplies of gas and then there’s the oil under the Arctic Sea. I grew up under the threat of nuclear war and will probably end my days in just the same way.
http://rt.com/op-edge/washington-russian-roulette-missile-defense-831/
Prof Chossudovsky on Global Research has probably got more on this.
I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.
for those who have missed it, here’s a MediaLens blog post today about a Professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, referring to the German TV analysis of the euroMaidan shootings, quoting from Prez Carter & Singapore PM Lee…. he even mentions a famous NSA mathematician – who sings about Atomic War!
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1397897000.html
America has unique access to Britain’s Trident arming computers Mary – National security obviates confirmation that a preemptive plan to strike Russian even exists.
Mark Golding – Children Of Conflict
17 Apr, 2014 – 1:10 am
‘Ban the Bomb’ seems to be in revival – Now where is my dad’s (bless him) “Aldermaston to London” banner?
Mr Scorgie
““…assertion frequently made by MARY and other ISRAEL DENIERS…”
Firstly Habbabkuk, what is an Israel denier? The term doesn’t make sense.”
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It makes perfect sense to anyone who’s been following the threads over the past few weeks. An Israel denier – on this blog, at least – is someone who says that the State of Israel has no right to exist. In other words, you, Mary and a couple of others whose names thankfully escape me for the moment.
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“Secondly, William Hague’s statement is the “official” position of the UK and he has to say this as Israel’s actions are illegal under international law.
You wouldn’t expect him to congratulate the Israeli government would you?”
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Well, of course it’s the official position of the UK govt, for whom the Foreign Secretary speaks. He doesn’t “have” to say it, actually, he could just say nothing. The point was that sundry Eminences accuse the UK govt of bias towards the Israelis and of remaining silent in the face of Israeli violations of international law; Hague’s statement gives the lie to that claim. I should have thought that you’d be pleased he made it.
Nevermind is another Israel denier. Bit unfortunate, that.
Mr Scorgie
““Masha Gessen’s book provides plenty of evidence regarding his personal financial wealth…”
“Plenty of evidence! Please enlighten us with some extracts ResDis.”
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I’ve told you before, Scorgie – stop being such a skinflint and go out to buy a book occasionally rather than asking others to read them for you. Or visit your local library. Support the book trade and your local lending library!
(cue for rant about branch library closures…:) )
Mr Scorgie
““Look Doug I couldn’t care less. I’m not the fanatical one either way. I saw it, it was relevant, so I posted it.”
You posted it Fred because you believed it without question.”
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It might also be, of course, that Fred read it, thought about it, weighed it against other readings and sources and then came to the conclusion that it was correct and believable.
I recommend such an approach, Doug – it might just make your own musings rather more credible.
Mary
“Hague was warning British nationals not to go to Syria because it is dangerous! He was the one advocating war on Syria and sending in British nationals to put their boots on the ground.”
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Two weighty charges. Credible links and sources for both, in full, please.
Mary
“BLiar is in Spain.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/04/18/blair-family-spotted-taking-costa-del-sol-break/”
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Thank you for that fascinating piece of information, Mary.
Are you against holidays in general, or just foreign holidays, or just holidays for politicians (I seem to remember you snarking about a Cameron holiday abroad) or just holidays for the Blair family?
Or, of course, any combination of the above.
From Mark “Wait” Golding
“Interestingly DA’s mother, Mrs Axelrod’s literary skills where used to prepare Izzy Stones’ account of travelling with the Haganah in his 1946 book ‘Underground to Palestine’ which describes the plight of Eastern European Jews trying to get to Israel.”
to which Mary, all a-quiver, replies
“Thanks Mark. I will pass that info on.”
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Oh my God, not another Wikipedia cut and paste from Mary, this time about David Axelrod’s Jewish origins?
PS – no need to inform Stormfront, Mary, their readers are probably already aware.
Mary thunders
“Despite fears that it could jeopardise the principle of taxpayer confidentiality, the legislation would allow HMRC to release anonymised tax data to third parties including…”
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Just for her information, in Sweden every citizen’s income tax payments are a matter of PUBLIC record. I should have thought that she, and other Eminences, would be in favour of such a system on the UK?
Mary
“I like the cartoon of the bear incidentally. I hope Kerry and Obama appreciate that when an animal is threatened and cornered, it will attack.”
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Well, actually, bears will also attack when they’re hungry.
Is Russia hungry?
Awaiting comment from Mary about “nine in a row”, followed by her signature “tr…s”.
Pls don’t disappoint!
Hey, A Node
I think the following, from the previous thread, must have escaped your attention:
“Libya’s method of governance was direct democracy.
Direct democracy is a form of democracy in which people decide policy initiatives directly, as opposed to a representative democracy in which people vote for representatives who then decide policy initiatives. …”
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Interesting. I should like to learn more from the horse’s mouth. So could you perhaps list a few of the policy initiatives which were decided by the people directly? Just a handful would do, together with back-up from reliable sources.
Thanks.”
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Any chance of an answer on this thread? Come on now, don’t be shy!
“Fred, you’re in denial open your eyes.”
Open my eyes to what?
I see loads of evidence Putin is loaded, reputable web sites, while Forbes won’t actually put a figure on it they have articles about his billion dollar houses, the yachts the fleet of private jets.
Even the wikileaks cables speak of Putin’s immense wealth and how he hides it through a company in Switzerland.
All I’ve seen from you is attempts to discredit people.
You have to come up with more than just accusing people of being in denial to refute real evidence.
Habbabkuk 12-56 pm:
Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.
Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial? If you include people who object to land theft, military occupation, deprivation of water and electric, systematic abuse of the native inhabitants, you can add my name to your list of ‘Israel deniers’.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians wasn’t a by-product of a natural movement of people simply trying to flee Nazi crimes. It was deliberate and being planned well before Jews became the target of Hitler.
The Israeli claim that they will be pushed into the sea can be dismissed very easily by looking at 1948 map of the region compared to a recent one.
“The BBC are still reporting this hoax as if it were true.”
I looked at the BBC article.
They say what happened and say that the People’s Republic of Donetsk say it is an attempt to discredit them.
There seems overwhelming evidence it happened and I’m quite prepared to believe it was an attempt to discredit them.
So where is the hoax?
If you want to go to sleep, try counting H’s posts in a row….in latin
Unus Duo Tres Quattuor Quinque Sex Septem Octo Novem Decem undecim…..
zzzzzzzzzz!
Alternatively try counting sheep http://i3.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article4324104.ece/alternates/s615/sheep.jpg
@Andy
“Are you trying to create the offence of Israel denial to go along with holocaust denial?”
Show, hide or minimise comments by any user.
Don’t waste this Easter. Try Habbabreak
@Mary
Alternatively, try Habbabreak.
Show, hide or minimise.
Israel Denier Habbakuk ??
Seen you using this a few times now.
Instructions from above ?
Gies a break !!
Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…
Ye canny deny it exists.Unfortunately
“Hague will have called his superiors in Tel Aviv before making any statement of condemnation towards Israeli policies. They have to make it look like criticism even if they never mention sanctioning the Israel regime for it’s continued human rights crimes and illegal expansions. Mr Hague is very quick to promote sanctions with regards other countries though…Syria and Russia being recent examples.”
The British Government has been making their position on the occupied territories known for some time now.
Fred
The British government position doesn’t equate to sanctions. The statement you provided just the mentions the risks and consequences. It’s almost as if the settlements are a separate entity to the Israeli government. They aren’t. The settlements don’t just appear, the infrastructure and private (for Israelis only) roads have to be built first. The Israeli government propose, fund and protect them, therefore are 100% responsible. Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.
Crippling sanctions were put on Iran to force them to cease trying to create nuclear energy. Syrian rebels were encouraged and given none-lethal supplies (and probably covert military help too)by Hague and he openly encouraged them to remove Assad. Russia too were threatened with sanctions by Hague. The Israel policy gives out a vague warning that implies an investor might lose money on any investments and does nothing to change Israeli attitudes to Palestine and its people.
@Andy
The British government can’t impose sanctions, it just doesn’t work like that, they don’t work unless everybody does it. We don’t provide anything they can’t buy elsewhere or buy anything they can’t sell elsewhere.
Andy
Give it up, matey. You got owned by Fred and now you’re trying to divert to the question of sanctions – where Fred has again dealt with you rather well.
PS – are you sure your computer doesn’t contain any parts either made in Israel or which contain Israeli intellectual property input? Just teasin’!
DoNNYDarKo
“Israel is a f****n blott on the planet , a failed state and belligerent to boot…”
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I think you wrote Israel by mistake, were you meaning to write “the late, unlamented USSR” together with the past tense?
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the UK or its co conspirators to level sanctions against Israel.
They’ll do little more than pay lip service to the narrowest interpretation of international law.
BDS from civil society is the way to go.
It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/zionists-traction-community.html
“Sanctions should be put in place that restrict all Israel’s businesses and trade.”
One in six NHS prescriptions come from Israeli pharmaceutical companies, so that could be seen as an opportunity for martyrdom for you nutty BDSers.
“BDS from civil society is the way to go. It already has the Israelis and their western toadies squealing. That means it’s working.”
Hardly, Herbie, though you clearly get off on the idea. Most people just buy stuff and couldn’t give a toss where it comes from.