Brazilian crowd whiter than a Broederbond meeting. Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government – and plainly attendance is restricted to rich white people.
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It was such a nice day before I came across this –
http://caravandaily.com/portal/cruel-joke-israel-elected-to-head-un-committee-on-decolonization/
Words fail. And the UK nominated them…
Phil – looks like a lot of people objecting to austerity to me. Not Ed proposing more misery for what used to be his core constituency. Let’s go with the flow. It registers the objection, regardless of the ulterior motives in the background. Come the long hot summer we may be seeing something a lot more authentic. And mindlessly destructive.
“For example, in the UK, the coming of the Internet could have been a really creative force for business and creative industries, but Blair and cronies passed a law (and this was before George Bush and before 9/11…) that sought to bring about state control of use of the Internet, so that UK citizens weren’t allowed to encrypt data they sent unless they made their encryption key available to the state. Went against Habias Corpus but they didn’t care. They wanted control over the individual.”
None of that is actually true.
UK citizens are allowed to encrypt data without giving the key to anyone and frequently do. No law has ever been proposed to prevent this.
If the police suspect that someone has committed a crime and they have encrypted data which could be used as evidence then it is an offence for them not to provide the encryption key if asked for it.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Habeas Corpus.
Peacemaker, regarding the BBC and other news outlets who failed to notice 50,000 demonstrators. I would have been there today but had to be take my guests to the airport. I am so pleased it was a success. What concerns me, and I assume many thousands more, is we are paying a BBC licence fee to be fed bullshit and facile news items, while all the civilian and child deaths in Eastern Ukraine and big demonstrations like this go unreported. The answer, though the general public seems to have forgotten this is based in the slogan, united we stand. We do not have to take this. But one person cannot do it alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBM-pkJPio
Fred, I cannot find the quote you set about dismantling on this blog-post, and you make no reference to where it comes from. Not very helpful I’m afraid, but typical.
Fred’s quote:
“For example, in the UK, the coming of the Internet could have been a really creative force for business and creative industries, but Blair and cronies passed a law (and this was before George Bush and before 9/11…) that sought to bring about state control of use of the Internet, so that UK citizens weren’t allowed to encrypt data they sent unless they made their encryption key available to the state. Went against Habias Corpus but they didn’t care. They wanted control over the individual.”
Campaign lies on the trail to election is expected by the electorate. How could we assemble legislators worth a pinch of salt?
Hmm. Jury duty is not something people seek. In fact they run away if they can. Perhaps registered voters could be drafted into positions of an administrative nature. I’ve often said that politicos should be disqualified from serving if they want the job. But I’ve noticed that the jury selection process identifies ‘good and true’ men and women to serve as impartial arbiters. Often, even complex issues are seen clearly by jurors. Their interest is rarely of a forced outcome within their control.
Ordering citizens to appear is a random process, and jury tampering is a serious matter in the eyes of the Law. 12 serving and paid at their regular wages might be a system for choosing people to serve in government. I know this idea is not flawless, but what other means of assuring an honest legislator when that tendency toward corruption is endemic in those who seek power?
Apols again Peacewisher for making you into a Paecemaker. I think it must be peacewishful thinking.
Pacemaker = Peacemaker. God I’m only drinking Banks’s at 3.75%.
“Fred, I cannot find the quote you set about dismantling on this blog-post, and you make no reference to where it comes from. Not very helpful I’m afraid, but typical.”
Erm, try Peacewisher at 9:58 pm?
Dross is slaughtered, Phil’s bowing out after a few too many. Jives should head up happy hour circa 3am, but now that Fedup’s back all bets are off.
Nevermind
Yes what a fantastic Game that was …Germany on form…and Ghana WOW Brilliant… Epic Second half Amazing Stuff… And the MESSI Goal too…Earlier, Wonderful.
@Fred: There was a lot of opposition, but they sneaked this in during the last week of parliament, despite the protestations of many lawyers. Habeus Corpus was indeed challenged with this law, because the power it gives for agents of the state to demand an encryption key assumes that all who would encrypt data are potential lawbreakers.
At that time, the UK was a very peaceful and stable country, and there was no need – except for government paranoia – to impose this law. There was not even such a law in the US in those pre-9/11 times. It has to be said, however, that the law was widely ridiculed and… for whatever reason… no-one was actually arrested, let alone convicted, until much later. To this day, many would like to see the RIP Act (part 3) repealed.
Oh well done Anon. Got one right at last. Fred nearly too.
I agree that habeas corpus has no direct connection with the requirement to provide an encryption key just through “suspicion” of having committed a crime. Just like the old Sus laws of arrest this is despicable! There is too much encroachment on personal privacy and these have increased dramatically since the false flag 9/11 event. These new and iron laws, together with the abolition of habeas corpus for Muslims, which may be where Peacewisher might have got his/her wires crossed, are evidence of an increasingly State intrusion into our lives. The shit presented by the BBC is another. To think I used to rely on it for information. That was Radio 4, but in the eighties it was a fairly balanced station. Today there are no adjectives bad enough to describe its decline.
@Anon: If your fedup with football, try The Beatles tribute on ITV! I’m boycotting the BBC as much as possible at the moment 🙂
@John. It was an attack on Habeus Corpus. See
http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/civil-liberties
Scroll down to…
“Further concerns about infringement of civil liberties were raised by the passing of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), dubbed the ‘snoopers’ charter’.”
and read on…
It was this action, followed by the slaughter of all those healthy animals in early 2001 that caused me not to vote “Stalinist” labour, and I haven’t voted for them ever since… I was happy to be a Liberal Democrat until they climbed into bed with the Tories. Now I’m partyless, but I think Caroline Lucas is very cute. 🙂
Ben
A jury as with politicians are overseen, by judges and party whips.
The case of
politicians not correctly serving the people would soon be giving more credit with free reign of the whip. But as with judges there is are de facto opinion that is not necessarily popular in the democratic way.
That which your way would infuse.
What can be done?
Education will reshape popular opinion so let’s focus on positive outcomes.
Peacewisher, I see what it’s saying and understand the modern interpretation:
“No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled; nor will we proceed with force against him except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land. To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.”
The original meaning of habeas corpus as I understand it was that a person should not be imprisoned without cause and should be brought before the court and charged with a crime or released. This is what has made it so difficult for anybody, though generally it is only applied to Muslims, but could be applied to each of us, and why Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmad were imprisoned in the UK for six and eight years respectively before being extradited to be tortured in Supermax prisons into false confessions. It is the world we have moved into: no unbiased reporting, no rights to habeas corpus anymore if suspected of terrorism.
We live in a bad world. It is in our power to change things. Wake up world. The other option is keep watching the BBC. 🙂
“The original meaning of habeas corpus as I understand it was that a person should not be imprisoned without cause and should be brought before the court and charged with a crime or released.”
I meant to add within a reasonable time period. The treason trials of the 1790s and a later suspension in the 1820s saw people arrested but not charged, None of them however was held for more than six months and nearly everybody, including Thomas Holcroft, Horne Took, Thomas Hardy (not the novelist) and others were released without trial.
“A jury as with politicians are overseen, by judges and party whips”
Yes, Jay but with extreme deference because juries are a sacred institution in the eyes of the judiciary. Such a move would be revolutionary, but I’m merely suggesting alternatives.
” But as with judges there is are de facto opinion that is not necessarily popular in the democratic way.”
Please expand. I want to be sure what I’m replying to.
“Education will reshape popular opinion so let’s focus on positive outcomes.”
Education has been less than satisfactory and is unlikely to change when the electorate is busy making a living and raising a family, When a jury is sworn to secrecy upon penalty of law, the result will more likely result in a positive outcome when conjoined with the current legal view of the foundational element of justice under the Law. I think the jury system may be the pinnacle of any semblance of civilization, and legal minds would agree, I believe.
We’ve discussed democracy’s shortcomings and a key element is the level of informative voting. Voters are jaded with the process of politics and demonstrate with low turn-out, especially in local elections.
But if a candidate is vetted under oath during the course of my scenario, he/she is less likely to make campaign promises which cannot be kept. If a panel of voters hears both sides as in a criminal or civil trial, the facts of the case can be called to account. Those with untoward motives will be less likely to expose themselves. I think that alone would be a positive outcome.
WHOOOP Whoooop… The Africans are Back
NIGERIA – LOUD n Proud…. And did i Mention The MESSI Goal Again.
@John: The case of Babar Ahmed was particularly disturbing. Probably the most extreme example of UK law rolling over and being completely subsumed into US “requirements”. BBC were terrible over that one as well…. and whatever happened to Sadiq Khan’s principles? I love my country as Great Britain but not as the 51st state!
John,
You said:-
” Messi again. Right at the death, again. Amazing”
I agree. My calculation is that there was a little 12” to 15” area in the goal that the goalie could not reach. He had been doing brilliant saves throughout the match, and anything within catch range would be caught. It took a goal-scoring genius,”Messi”, to find that little area that the goalie could not reach and into which the ball could be slotted. Only a football genius could have scored at the time Messi did and in the manner he did. Brilliant.
What did you make of the 1 – 0 for Nigeria v. Bosnia Herzegovina ?
Or
2-2 for Ghana v. Germany?
Some unusual and quite unexpected results for this World Cup…huh?
All this talk of “elites” and yet one thing always puzzles me.
The psychotic “elites” rely on their slaves to keep them in clover.
But why would some apparatchik/slave working for NSA/GCHQ do their bidding for the norm of £24-35K per annum??
It makes no sense at all.
Maybe Gareth Williams was a message to any of them inclined to go off message?
Habbatroll,
Re the above:
You obviously take the “coin” from them.
Can i ask you,seriously,why you roll over so easily on behalf of them?
Or do they simply just “have something” on you that makes it impossible to resist their bidding?
Ha! Go get him.
20 June 2014
Scottish independence: Electoral Commission probes Lord Reid advert
The referendum advert was signed in the name of Lord Reid
The Electoral Commission is investigating whether a referendum advert signed by Lord Reid broke the law.
The advert, which appeared in the Scottish Catholic Observer, featured the former Labour home secretary urging people to reject independence.
But the advert was said to have failed to contain an imprint stating who had promoted it.
The imprint is required to appear on all referendum adverts.
The Electoral Commission confirmed it had received a complaint about the advert, which was being looked into.
A spokeswoman said: “I can confirm that we have received a complaint regarding an alleged breach of the referendum rules on imprints.
“We are now considering the complaint and are unable to comment any further while the matter remains under consideration.”
/..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27938290
Ref Habbakuk’s infantile comment about mine about more Israeli atrocities appearing at the top of this page. It says it all. He implies that I engineered it which is untrue. I think it is the actual content that really bothers him.
The Lord of Misrule aka The Lord of Misconstruction.
‘I love my country as Great Britain but not as the 51st state!’
I must remember that Peacewisher for the next time the trolls accuse me of hating this country.
I am still absolutely appalled about the wiping of reports of yesterday’s march from the MSM. We really are living in a fascist state. Remember Milton Mayer The Germans 1933-1945.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
I watched a bit of ‘Our Queen’ last night. A repeat? Sickening and sycophantic. What really amazed me was P Charles and the D of Cornwall bidding farewell to the Camerons who had visited them at Birkhall (well named!) prior to the Camerons going on to Balmoral. A lot of kissing on both cheeks went on. The Camerons are obviously friends of the royals and are probably considered to be minor aristocracy.
A snip to rent for 99p. LOL
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/our-queen
P William has taken a job off a helicopter pilot. He has been given a p/t job with the air ambulance in Norfolk as he will be living in their other 10 bedroomed des res at Sandringham given to the couple by the Queen, ie us. A multi million renovation has taken place paid for by the Queen, ie us. Sounds naff.
Tony M
“it was Tony_0pmoc”
Sorry to have got muddled between the two you.
The des res in question.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2439997/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-set-join-Middle-Britain-building-conservatory-Sandringham-home.html
The estate https://goo.gl/maps/e5fSS
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Nevermind Did the Norfolk police ever find the murderer of the girl found dead on the edge of the Sandringhanm Estate?