There is a mystery about the media coverage of the Newark by-election result. The most interesting thing about it was the abysmal failure of the official opposition, just one year ahead of a general election. The New Labour percentage vote actually dropped, and even just taking the New Labour v Tory vote, the New Labour swing from Tory was only 2 per cent. That is an almost unprecedentedly poor performance by an opposition in a by-election at this stage in a parliament, and a very, very plain indication of what was already obvious – that Miliband is not going to be entering the door of No. 10.
Yet Sky News, the BBC and the Guardian have virtually nothing to say about New Labour’s disastrous result. Both Sky and the BBC this morning managed to give their analysis on the by-election without even mentioning New Labour at all. What can be the cause of this reticence? Is it that they are not anxious to point out to Scots that their choice is independence or more Tory government?
“Guano 6:32 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever read so much bollocks in my entire life,…”
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Come come, Anon, be fair!
Bollocks of that order is freely available on this blog almost every day.
Why, some of it comes from as far away as sunny California, the land of fruits and nuts.
Herbie
You wouldn’t recognise the truth if it hit you in the face – there were plenty in all occupied parts of the Ukraine, Poland, Belarus and Russia who bore the full force of the Nazis and can be proud of their role in their own liberation. In all cases their were minorities who collaborated but they were a long way from being a majority – and it is just a heinous slur from a shit wishing to hide the truth for his own political ends to say otherwise.
@Anon
“Guano 6:32 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever read so much bollocks in my entire life,”
I presume that was before you read Herbie’s recent trails of slime.
Anyone with any memory at all will remember the tortured process over German invitations to D Day commemorations in the past.
Much public discussion, denunciation the whole shebang. All over media.
But now that the West is openly allied with fascists across the globe, Islamic, Jewish, Slavic, Germanic etc, the chocolate bloke just danders in, and not a peep from anyone.
Reverse ferret all over the shop.
Liars all.
“You’re no more than a useful idiot.”
He’s no idiot, herbie, but he is useful to certain sectors.
Thank you Ed Snowden.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/65-65-things-we-know-about-nsa-surveillance-we-didnt-know-year-ago
“t’s been one year since the Guardian first published the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order, leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, that demonstrated that the NSA was conducting dragnet surveillance on millions of innocent people. Since then, the onslaught of disturbing revelations, from disclosures, admissions from government officials, Freedom of Information Act requests, and lawsuits, has been nonstop. On the anniversary of that first leak, here are 65 things we know about NSA spying that we did not know a year ago:
7. A leaked internal NSA audit detailed 2,776 violations of rules or court orders in just a one-year period.”
You see, the Law is only for us peons. “First, let’s kill all the lawyers” Willie Shakespeare.
“He’s no idiot, herbie, but he is useful to certain sectors.”
Yup.
Pravy Sektor, for starters.
The only thing uglier than a fascist are those creeps who egg them on from behind the scenes, hoping to make a buck out of it.
Resident Dissident
You were kind enough to furnish a couple of limericks the other day. Here in return is one I hope you’ll savour. Enjoy!
“There was a young fellow named Menzies,
Whose kissing sent girls into frenzies,
But a virgin one night
Crossed her legs in a fright,
And fractured his bi-focal lenses.”
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And another one for Nebelmind (aka Nevermind), the master of the misplaced apostrophe and great coprophile:
“There was a young fellow called Shit,
A name he disliked quite a bit;
So he changed it to Shite –
A step in the right
Direction, one has to admit.”
And, surprise surprise, just look who was funding and providing logistic support to these Ukrainian Nazis all those years ago.
The good ole USSA, through the CIA no less. Some things never change.
Like the friendship of fascists for fascists, for all time.
“Truman approved the creation of a guerrilla army code-named “Nightingale” in Ukraine. Originally setup by the Nazis in 1941, it was made up of ultra-nationalists. They would, as Stone describes, wreak havoc on the “famine-wrecked region where Soviet control was loose, carrying out the murder of thousands of Jews, Soviets and Pols, who opposed a separate Ukrainian state.” The CIA would parachute “infiltrators” into the country as well to further “dislodge Soviet control.””
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/america-backed-fascists-ukraine-73-years-ago.html
“Pravy Sektor, for starters.
The only thing uglier than a fascist are those creeps who egg them on from behind the scenes,”
Out of the gutter into the sewers – when have I ever egged on Pravy Sector or any other fascists for that matter – I regard the reduction in the fascist candidates vote in the Ukrainian Presidential Elections as one of the more positive signs in recent times. I hope we see something similar happening to Zhirinovsky and his chums within Russia in due course.
Resident Dissident
When one reads Herbie, one doesn’t know whether to feel pity or embarrassment.
Who was it who said that many bloggers, in pre-internet times, would have been walking round inside supermarkets, mumbling to themselves?
You’re egging on the fascists every time you deride the separatists desire for autonomy or support chocolate boy’s threats against his own people.
Those gangs who are attacking them are the fascists. They’ve been incorporated into units for that very purpose. The Ukrainian Army itself having more sense.
Chocolate boy is currently dependent on these fascists because they’re the only muscle he has.
So, whilst you claim to despise fascists, you support them in this instance.
I strongly suspect that you’ll support any thug who’s willing to do your dirty work.
And that’s of course pecisely the Western agenda, across the planet, and has been for quite some time.
Herbie
Yes of course anyone wanting to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine and seeking to avoid interference in its affairs from the Putin regime would by your definition be a fascist. Just a guess but I suspect the day the Soviet Union broke up was one of the saddest days in your life.
I agree that the Ukrainian Government’s attempts to do what Russia has failed at in the Caucasus seem equally doomed to fail.
Herbie should check it out – Stalin used paperclips .
It ate my link to Manfred von Ardenne
Guano wrote “General MacCrystall was sacked for not playing the Iraq War dirty enough.” No, Mcchrystal was the head of Task force 121 in Iraq which was notorious for torture at Camp Nama. He told his subordinates there that they could do what they liked and no-one could touch them for it.
He was sacked by Obama for having publicly dissed the President, which, unlike torturing some foreigners, isn’t done in US politics.
Or certainly not by military officers whose CinC is the President.
I never buy green top milk, nor red nor mauve.
The un-skimmed blue top has got my attention recently by using completely unacceptable blue language to a lady. The skimmed red top is just a very weak dilution of the blue.
Duncan McFarlane
Dirty, but not as political devious dirty as Petraus who concentrated on the sectarian division.
In the freemason NWO dirty deeds are your ticket to promotion.
He was sacked for adultery. Insulting the president and having an affair are garlands of honour compared with their real crimes.
“In spite of how many unanswered questions there are about the video, overall, Morgan said Putin seemed to be more “nervous” than Obama.
“Of the two of them, Putin is the more agitated,” said Morgan. “He looks nervous, Obama looks cooler.”
However, Morgan also noted Obama generally seems “cool” in his interactions.
“Obama is a cool dude. He’s always cool,” Morgan said.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/body-language-expert-putin-agitated-meeting-obama-2014-6#ixzz33zXHeltC
He’s a cold customer.
“Yes of course anyone wanting to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine”
The Ukraine has no territorial integrity. It’s a cobbled together mishmash of peoples who hate eachother, and designed precisely to that purpose.
It’s a borderlands, primarily between the Germans and the Russians, as of course is Poland, specifically designed not to have any integrity at all.
It is, I must say, a bit rich for you to be getting so Westphalian about it, especially since you enthusiastically support the dismembering of other cobbled together entities along the Sykes/Picot lines.
And you support Israel, another cobbled together entity where again the natives were not consulted.
It surely can’t have escaped the notice of all but the most irredeemably stupid that the West demands territorial integrity only in its own interests. Elsewhere it’s busy dismembering the body, heart and soul of anywhere unfortunate enough to find itself in its path.
Herbie is really losing touch with reality.
Examine part of his latest offering:
“I strongly suspect that you’ll support any thug who’s willing to do your dirty work.”
Now, since the whole of Herbie’s comment is meant to be an answer to a comment by Resident Dissident, we must assume that the “you’ll” refers to Resident Dissident.
So the above extract could in fact read :
“I strongly suspect that Resident Dissident’ll support any thug who’s willing to do his dirty work”
One must presume that “thug” is a reference to the newly elected President of Ukraine.
Hence, what Herbie is saying is, in fact :
I strongly suspect that Resident Dissidentsupports President Poroshenko, who is willing to do his {ie, Resident Dissident’s } dirty work”.
Herbie must be very, very angry this evening to come out with accusations like that.
“You’re a VERY SILLY man!” (with thanks to Mary)
Herbie opines
“It surely can’t have escaped the notice of all but the most irredeemably stupid that the West demands territorial integrity only in its own interests.”
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Now, this is nonsense of course.
But let us assume for a brief moment and for the sake of argument that it is true: what then would be so surprising that the West should be demanding something in its own interests – would Herbie expect the West to demand something in, say, China’s interests? Or Russia’s? Or Iran’s? And if he would, why would he so expect?
Those jihadists in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Africa, and now Syria, who have killed so many of their fellow Muslims because of their attachment to the stability of CIA dictators and Western colonialism are of course themselves deeply motivated by the alliance they have formed directly with the CIA themselves.
In other words it is a normal, political, not theological or ideological struggle for power. People are killed for their compromise with yesterday’s CIA dictators and the people who are doing the killing are paid/controlled by the CIA. Colonialism constantly refreshes the pain and deprivations of those who are to be oppressed, by using new slogans with new ambitious Muslims ready to sell their fellows and their religion for short-term advantage/power.
Thus the colonial system will always tempt the politically aware. The jihadists will execute Syrians for assisting the Assad CIA status quo, but they fail to count their own political alliances with the CIA.
And they regard their own stupidity in selling their religion and fellow Muslims as the height of piety and excellence.
Allah knows their hearts, and being exposed for their hypocrisy will not stop them.
Wrong again, habby
The thugs are the boot boys of fascism, as of course we’ve seen in Ukraine. They have their own idea of what their nation and society ought to look like. Like them obviously, holding defiantly to their tedious creation myths.
So, the leaders give them a bit of that. Keep them happy. Whack a few molies here and there.
But they’re merely instruments of elite power.
Fascism itself is government by corporations. The thugs are just used to quell any outbreaks of democracy that may get in the way of the plan.
They’re sheepdogs. I’m sure you’ll remember this from Animal Farm.
Often they get whacked themselves when their job is done and they become embarrassing and demanding.
Habby
It’s simple enough for even you to understand.
The West, and Res Diss, pretend to territorial integrity over Ukraine, but are happy to dismember other countries.
Theirs is not a principled position based on agreement or Law.
It’s a do as we please, whenever, wherever we want position.
Obviously a world run in such fashion would only ever be chaos.
Herbie… don’t you mean West, not East? (Ukraine)
Good arguments have been presented on both sides, by Habby and Herbie, and indeed Ukraine post-ww2 clearly was a very careful balance. Kruschev was no fool, however, and he must have had his reasons for giving it semi-autonomy. And it wasn’t a bad move because it preserved the peace from 1954-2014…
I’ve studied recent history of Ukraine a little through Internet sources which may not be definitive. It seems to me that the “game changer” was not the Orange Revolution, but the declaration of ww2 Banderites as heroes… part of the fabric of the Ukranian Nation. It was probably that action that infuriated the East, and of course Russia. It should also have infuriated the EU and US.
This is the real reason why Poroshenko should have been asked to apologise… because as a result of the 2010 idolising, he was effectively representing the Bandera fascists! Yet the western media said nothing. I’m getting fed up with saying this, but it was the act of ignoring the rise of fascism in the 1930s that led to the inevitable conflict that was ww2. US doesn’t care, because it sees its interests as expanding through Ukraine, but what are our EU “leaders” playing at!
Recent article about Bandera:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud
Is this balanced? If so, why are the EU so quiet about what has been happening in recent years in Western Ukraine?
“The Ukraine has no territorial integrity. It’s a cobbled together mishmash of peoples who hate eachother, and designed precisely to that purpose.”
Every region of which, imcluding Crimea and those in Eastern Ukraine, voted overwhelmingly and freely to separate from the Soviet Union. Of course Herbie is quite happy to ignore such little things where the natives were consulted. The borderland comments about Poland and Ukraine is otiose in the extreme – but it at least shows where his addled thinking is leading.