Grief is the only appropriate reaction to the death of so many people on Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17. The point scoring and guessing games are macabre. Of course, some people have to suppress grief and get to work urgently to secure the crash site from interference so there can be a proper investigation of what happened.
We have no idea what evidence lies behind the various statements as to who did or did not shoot down the plane. There is no evidence I have seen that it was shot down at all. This could relate to Ukrainian violence, it could relate to MH 370, it could be an unrelated incident. We really don’t know yet.
What is particularly ghoulish is the false grief, what I might call the triumphalist shroud waving, of those seeking gleefully to blame the side they do not support in the Ukrainian conflict. In the current total absence of evidence, this is abominable behaviour.
Good old Mary never misses an opportunity for a little bit of gratuitous anti-Semitism.
Good manners prevent me from saying what a friend of a friend said about Mary.
Because the zionist mercenaries post their unconscious drivel in these threads. Any event remotely in the interest of zionistan attracts the hoards of keyboard obfuscation units like flies on to dung.
20/07/2014
Duration: 1 hour
Andrew’s guests include foreign secretary Philip Hammond MP and actor Richard Armitage. There is music from Lily Allen at Latitude festival, and the Sunday Times’ deputy editor Sarah Baxter reviews the papers with comedian and broadcaster Robin Ince.
He also has Sara Firth on reviewing the papers. She has just resigned from RT disagreeing with their coverage of MH17.
Get the drift?
(As I type Marr has just blamed Hamas for the latest conflagration for refusing to sign a peace deal! I resisted the urge to hurl the laptop at the TV.)
“Janes, is a conservative, militaristic source. That they concede the source may be Kyev is quite interesting. They must be thinking what we are thinking….a set-up.”
I’ve come across Jane’s before, Ben. Always thought it was an odd name, given what it is.
Here’s one for the amateur Kremlinologists. Denis Pushilin, the self-appointed “speaker of parliament” of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic” (DPR) announced that he had resigned from his position. Pushilin has spent the last few weeks in Moscow, detained at the Tsar’s please.
Strangely enough this was reported on the Russian version of RT but not the English one.
http://russian.rt.com/article/41529
Good old R2D2. Misses the point on purpose. The ‘anti-semitic’ words were those of my JEWISH friend. He can see it. R2D2 cannot or chooses not to.
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Semite definition Merriam Webster
Full Definition of SEMITE
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a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples
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: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
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@John Goss
Are you just deliberately wasting my time? I read the link you posted and I sat through the video. I can see no mention of decomposing bodies or putrefying flesh. There being little blood would be expected, dead bodies don’t bleed.
Having seen this video, (in Russian), I am more convinced that an investigation is necessary to establish whether the plane was brought down by an air-to-air missile. It is from the site Russkaya Vesna (Russian Spring). The article headline roughly reads: “KIEV HINDERS INVESTIGATION OF CRASH OF MALAYSIAN “BOEING”, BODIES LIE FOR DAYS IN THE SCORCHING SUN”.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405770034
Several times the penetration points of what struck the plane are shown the first at 1.24 minutes. This blog (also in Russian) expands on the air-to-air missile theory. Nothing in the western media.
http://guruinterneta.livejournal.com/32590.html
“Pin warhead! Missiles used to hit air targets use a special warhead, which is only characterisitc for them with very specific traces. It consists of a bundle of sharpened pins, which are sometimes welded together (sometimes not). An opening charge is installed behind this bundle, this is basically what the “pin and shrapnel” warhead consists of. When it approaches the target at the minimal distance the warhead explodes the opening charge and this bundle of pins flies to the target at almost cosmic speed. When hitting the target such pin – only by its kinetic energy – is capable to shoot through the plane destroying the internal structure of the aircraft and completely crashing the on-board equipment. The pin kinetics is so powerful that it can even split the titanium spar in halves. Such warhead has one big advantage – the missile does not need to be perfectly accurate – it explodes before contacting the target and the pins are shot in the direction of the airplane in a cone. Even if only 2-3% of these pins hit the target, the plane is doomed – a hole in the wing or fuselage, or simply damaged cladding of the plane flying at trans-sonic speed the enormous relative airflow will destroy the damaged wing up to the very spar in less than a minute. If there is a dozen of such holes – there is simply no chance for anything.
But this is not the main point. Pin and shrapnel warheads are mainly used on air-to-air missiles because of their compact size. The anti-aircraft defense systems prefer to use high explosive and shrapnel warheads, because in a number of cases they are more efficient than pin and shrapnel ones. The picture we have here shows cladding damage characteristic for pin and shrapnel warheads. High explosive and shrapnel warhead damage looks different. This means that no BUK system hit this aircraft. Here we are dealing with either R-27 Topor or R-73 missiles, which Ukrainians have plenty of and which are installed on MIG-29 and SU-27.”
Translation Phil George.
And what have we seen of that in the UK media? Just Obama rattling on about the ‘evidence’ shows the Russian separatists or Russians shot it down with a ground to air missile.
Fred, getting real information is never a waste of time. It was a general observation that the best mainstream news is coming from Russia Today. I cannot find the video showing and interview with the two women who were first on the scene. Google only directs to western sites and I cannot waste any more time on educating those who do not believe there is an alternative to BBC. Here is the Mirror on dead bodies, but that is from a Russian source, Russkaya Vesna.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/malaysia-airlines-crash-victims-found-3882734#.U8pMrZO2XOw.facebook
Another article questioning the Kyivpost “false flag” story about an alleged intercepted conversation. When this story first came out I questioned it mostly because Ukraine military intelligence must be very poor considering they have all the weapons and they have still not killed all their own people in the Donbass region.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-ukraine-fabricate-evidence-to-frame-russia-for-mh17-shoot-down/5391942
“Britain will on Tuesday seek to persuade other European leaders to impose further sanctions on Russia over the downing of a Malaysian jet carrying 298 passengers, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said on Sunday.”
The idiocy of it. There hasn’t even been an investigation.
“The idiocy of it. There hasn’t even been an investigation”
That is so old-fashioned of you. Modern thinking is that you should come to your conclusions first and investigate later, if you feel like it.
Mary
I suggest you look up anti-Semitism in Merriam Webster – so your Jewish friend who renounced Judaism makes anti-Semitic remarks that you then add to your ever growing collection of anti-Semitic postings. Nothing ever changes.
Plenty of Jews can see that what the Israeli Govt is doing in Gaza is wrong – it isn’t the reason to attack the religion as a whole – just as it would be racist to link the evil actions of Hamas to Islam.
What is the significance of the Pushilin resignation concerning the downing of the Malaysian airliner? Have I missed something? People are resigning all the time, especially when there have been assassination attempts, but I fail to see the significance on this thread.
Thanks MJ. I’ll keep that in mind. 🙂
Ben – thanks for posting the Jane’s Defence link:-
http://www.janes.com/article/40895/ukraine-claims-malaysian-airliner-was-shot-down-in-its-territory
At least there are some honest journalists left, but perhaps (ironically) traditional journalistic values remain only in places like WSJ and Jane’s.
Useless idiot
Do you believe Strelkov’s/Russkaya Vesna’s account of what happened to ML 17 either because you are a highly gullible idiot or because it is the official KGB line which has to be followed? Strelkov at least has the excuse that he is thought to be an officer in the KGB – you on the other hand would not have met the entrance requirements.
Have I missed something?
You probably also missed the Khruschev’s “voluntary retirement” as well.
You’re the idiot RD believing the Obama line when he was not on the scene and Strelkov was. Your absolute stupidity together with your resort to name-calling every time your cage gets rattled makes you one of the most laughable of western propaganda parrots on the blog. And there are a few. 🙂
http://www.janes.com/article/40902/civilian-airliner-crashes-in-ukraine-believed-to-have-been-shot-down
Khrushchev’s “voluntary” retirement wasn’t a patch on the involuntary one inflicted upon Kennedy
Puuuuwhhhhh Liberal bleeding heart namby-pamby waste of time and resources. The only way is to make your mind up and stay resolute and fuck the consequences, we must not appear weak by appearing to be dithering, we make our mind up never mind the puny facts, who needs facts when we have our prejudices? That is what put the G that is capital G in the Great Britain, and don’t you forget that!
The stitch up is so obvious that even a blind monkey would have sussed out there is a fix afoot. Putin has been has been writing to his thirteen year old boy playmate ……. Hang on that was Greville Janner…. Ahha I found it, Putin has been seen whistling; I did it my way in the shower! What more proof anyone wants? It is beyond me!!! That is beyond me I say!! I said how can anyone want any more Proof, I said???
“You’re the idiot RD believing the Obama line when he was not on the scene and Strelkov was”
Yes and we all know what Strelkov said on Twitter and VK immediately after the event before it was removed. Oh well at least most of us do.
R2D2 My Jewish friend was not talking about Gaza. He was talking about the MH17 disaster. Stop changing the subject.
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Murnaghan has Mary Dejesky of the Independent on. This follows the Ukrainian Ambassador to the UK. Also Roger Boyes Diplomatic Editor The Times. Also a Colleen Graffy former US diplomat. Scraping the barrel there.
Imagine the Russian and Putin demonization that is coming out on Freeview Ch 82.
Talk of increasing sanctions.
The Cold War is back. Brrr!
Get the drift?
One for the conspiracy theorists who can see links between events far better than us mere mortals (or Mr Goss who needs some help on this one)
Thursday – Malaysian Airlines plane shot down with 298 passengers. Armed forces of DPR among the suspects
Saturday – Head of State of the DPR under its draft constitution resigns in Moscow
You mean the ex house wife turned republican party talking head, and promoter of wars and invade Iraq now, is sitting in on the talk! Well get ready for; we need to help Ukraine to defeat Russia and why don’t we bomb Moscow while we are it?
“My Jewish friend was not talking about Gaza. He was talking about the MH17 disaster. Stop changing the subject.”
I think you will find he was talking about both. To be accused by yourself of changing the subject towards Gaza is comical in the extreme.
If I ever need help from you RD I’ll get myself a shrink to try and find out whats’ wrong with me. Anyway I was not supporting Strelkov. I just tried to find a link for Fred about the alleged pre-dead bodies. I was not at the scene so I don’t make judgments. But I’m closer to it than Obama, who does. Like Craig I am waiting for the inquiry. But what nobody can deny is the footage being that of the downed Malaysian aircraft, which looks like it was shot out of thhe sky by “either R-27 Topor or R-73 missiles, which Ukrainians have plenty of and which are installed on MIG-29 and SU-27.”
You call me a conspiracy theorist. That is just a label to denigrate. Many of the alleged conspiracy theories turn out to be true. When I posted links to the Lee Rigby farce you, and everyone else, clammed up. There might have been a Lee Rigby. Who knows? But those accused of doing 9/11, all the unanswered questions about 7/7, Lockerbie, Dr David Kelly, Boston Marathon . . . You see why people are suspicious?
I guess not, knowing you. So I guess it’s back to chewing the government coral for you. Shame really. You probably have the intelligence to question.
“When I posted links to the Lee Rigby farce you, and everyone else, clammed up.”
Believe it or not I do not claim to offer a 24/7 rebuttal service to your idiocies – I suspect more than a few slip through the net.
So what is your theory as to why Pushilin “resigned”?
“But what nobody can deny is the footage being that of the downed Malaysian aircraft, which looks like it was shot out of thhe sky by “either R-27 Topor or R-73 missiles”
If you think the “evidence” you have produced is of sufficient quality to reach such a conclusion – particularly given your detailed knowledge on such matters then this really explains everything about your methods – and exposes your lie about waiting for the results of the inquiry.