CNN just announced that Israeli is launching a ground invasion “after ten days of Hamas attacks by land air and sea.” There was no questioning of that quite incredible statement. Talk about the big lie.
In a strange way I prefer this to the continued aerial bombardment, because at least the Palestinians will be able to fight back to some extent. I do hope the Palestinian defenders have a good deal of success against the Israeli tanks. Let us hope the IDF get a bloody nose like they did in Lebanon 2006.
UPDATE
The heroic Israelis have killed a five month old baby with a tank. Hope they are very proud of themselves.
Resident Dissident
20 Jul, 2014 – 10:56 pm
“Are you aware that a large proportion of the current Israeli population came from Arab and Islamic states – you are really suggesting they should go back from whence they came?”
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Many Jews came from those countries ResDis but the Arab population in Israel were born in Palestine or are descendants of them.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
21 Jul, 2014 – 5:14 pm
Mr Scorgie
“…now I just want the Israeli’s to go home wherever the f*** it is. It sure as hell isnt Palestine.”
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You’re misquoting of posters is noted by all Habbabkuk, you make it too obvious.
Mr Scorgie
“Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
20 Jul, 2014 – 10:02 pm
Seen any pics of dead kids from Syria over the last couple of years (courtesy of your friend President Assad)?
Don’t recall much from you on that.”
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I was asking Dreoilin, who is so vocal about dead Gazan children, why she was so quiet about Syrian children killed by President Assad’s merry men.
So what is your point exactly, Doug?
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“Or for something nearer (your) home, how about some pics of the results of various IRA bombings?
Getting desperate Habbabkuk?”
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Just wondering, Doug, whether Dreoilin, who is Irish and lives in Ireland, had been equally exercised and equally vocal by the children killed by the IRA terrorists in their various bombings in Ireland.
Tell me what it is you don’t understand and I’ll try and help you.
Mr Scorgie
““…now I just want the Israeli’s to go home wherever the f*** it is. It sure as hell isnt Palestine.”
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You’re misquoting of posters is noted by all Habbabkuk, you make it too obvious”
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That’s an exact quote, Doug and not a misquote.
You are being economical with the truth again, aren’t you.
Mr Scorgie
“Many Jews came from those countries ResDis but the Arab population in Israel were born in Palestine or are descendants of them.”
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I deduce from that frivolous comment that you do believe that Israeli Jews originating from Arab and Islamic states should be forced to return to those states.
Thank you for that clarification.
If you are not careful,socket, this real person will show you what it means to carefully channel anger, and then release it, in a split second. I will be reaching for my pint and you’ll be on the ground with a bloody nose, if you’re lucky.
meet you outside the DTRH, coward.
Israel drops white phosphorus bombs on Gazans (again)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/21/372201/israel-drops-phosphorus-bombs-on-gaza/
and
Seven Israeli soldiers killed in last 24 hours in Gaza
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606315
(I’m not supposed to be here. I said I’d stay offline to see if I sleep better!)
By combining the matters of the crashed plane and the war on Gaza into one statement, Cameron took the emphasis off Gaza. He is not stupid. Most of the Labour party attended but the Con and LD benches were fairly empty.
Two hours of his statement, Harman’s reply and the following questions and answers are recorded here.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/todays-commons-debates/read/unknown/191/
Nebelmind
Why is it that when you’re angry you threaten physical aggression?
Is it genetic or do you simply have personal anger management issues?
Be careful, Ingo.
@Dreolin:
If you can’t get to sleep, watch the numbers creeping up towards 1 million signatures on the Avaaz website. Your initial excitement will wane, and you’ll relax… and then feel sleepy. Let go. Who knows… If you are as lacking in sleep as you purport to be, you’ll sleep for some time. When you wake up, refreshed, the number will have clocked over the million mark. Good luck! 🙂
Re methods and motives:
“…footage coming out of Gaza and Novorussia was almost identical. RT just showed some families bathing in a lake near Donetsk who had to run for their lives because the Ukrainian Nazis decided to launch an artillery strike on the lake (go figure). Then the next report was about kids murdered by the Israeli Nazis while they were playing on the beach. The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between these conflicts. Oh sure, Russia and Palestine are different, but the similarity I see is not between the victims, but between the methods and motives of the perpetrators. The kind of random, stupid, useless and yet systematic murder of civilians in which the Nazis are engaged in Gaza and Donetsk is exactly the same one. And Emperor Obama regularly takes to the air to tell us that the perpetrators are only defending themselves. Another similitude is the “crime” committed by the victims: all they want is to be left in peace to live on their own land as they wish.
What is being murdered day after day after day in Gaza and Novorussia is not just children or civilians. It’s decency, honor, freedom, dignity, truth, memory, kindness, compassion and beauty. They could not murder the Creator, so they take out their revenge on His creatures. What is being murdered today in Gaza and Novorussia is, I sincerely believe, simply humanity.”
From, http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ie/2014/07/from-gaza-to-donetsk.html
@ mods
For some time now, comment were deleted/disappeared before they are posted.
Is this normal, happened at least three four times, last night and just now.
@ socket. you pity me, because you choose to spend your life in obscurity, saying nothing, as a nobody.
Your threatening comment ‘be careful’ is noted, twice now, empty pathetic and inconsequential, dear boy. Thats why you deserve a bloody nose.
Link to HoC session 21.7.2014
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmhansrd/cm140721/debtext/140721-0001.htm
Mary.
10 10am
Re your link. Thanks.
I really tried to stay focussed on what was said in HoC. Yawn!
Who gave Lewis Caroll the job of writing up Camenron’s lines?
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Nevermind. 9 26am
Dad’s droppings are a badge of honour for you.
If that’s the quality of hasbara public diplomacy then I think we can assume Dad knows in his heart the game is almost up for the shining light of democracy and genocide in the middle east.
Time for talking about a one state solution can’t come too soon IMO.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
21 Jul, 2014 – 8:24 pm
Mr Scorgie
““…now I just want the Israeli’s to go home wherever the f*** it is. It sure as hell isnt Palestine.”
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“That’s an exact quote, Doug and not a misquote.”
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It’s not a quote from me though is it?
Thanks for your kind words, Peacewisher. I’m not long up. I see that Avaaz has indeed gone to 1,055,640!
But I’ll be staying offline again today …
Thank you to everybody who answered my question.
Doug Scorgie:
A single, secular democracy for all the people is very attractive idea, but a sizeable portion of the current population of historic Palestine is fiercely opposed to secularism – preferring to live in either a Jewish state or an Islamic state – so you would have a lot of persuading to do. I’m not saying it couldn’t be done (especially given that for the sake of this argument I have awarded you unlimited power), but how would you go about it?
Fedup:
If I accept your thesis that Zionism is all about greed rather than ideology, then your solution is attractively simple. But the overwhelming majority of Jewish Israelis are working people, rather than financiers and the like. The wealthy few might well drift away of their own accord, as you suggest, but what of the rest of Israeli society?
Jordanian volunteer doctors denied entry to Gaza via Rafah
by Merza Noghai | Jul 21, 2014
AMMAN — Egyptian authorities have refused to allow a Jordanian medical delegation to enter the Gaza Strip through the Rafah border crossing, Jordan Medical Association council member Bassem Kiswani said Monday.
The five Jordanian doctors were part of a European delegation that was denied entry to the coastal enclave, according to Kiswani.
“The doctors returned to the Kingdom after negotiations with the Egyptian government failed,” Kiswani said.
The five doctors are Bilal Azzam, Tareq Tamimi, Wasfi Jaara, Walid Masoud and Saleh Abu Rumuh.
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http://jordantimes.com/jordanian-volunteer-doctors-denied-entry-to-gaza-via-rafah
The cruelty is compounded over and over again. El Sisi is collaborating in the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians.
You’re welcome Dreolin.
Now up to: 1,117,034. Most seems to be Europeans.
BBC radio news warning about rise of anti-Semitism across Europe.
Mr Scorgie
“It’s not a quote from me though is it?”
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Indeed not, Doug. Did I claim it was?
Nice try at evasion from you though!
From Solutions, Please to Doug Scorgie:
“…but how would you go about it?”
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Unless you’re new to this blog you’re not expecting an answer from him, surely?
Mr Scorgie is big on hate of various kinds(Israel has no right to exist, approves of FGM, believes that Israelo Jews originating from Arab or Islamic countries should be sent back thgere, etc…) but not so good when it comes to detailed thinking and solutions.
Prepare for silence or evasion.
Habbabkuk, if you could spare a moment from winding up the other commenters, I’d genuinely be very interested in a response from you to my original question (20 Jul, 2014 – 10:18 pm). I’m keen to hear ideas from all perspectives. Thank you.
Solutions, Please
You astonish me.
If you’ve followed this blog for long enough you’ll have noticed that I have probably not posted on Israel/Palestine more than once or twice – except in order to reprimand and attempt to correct misapprehensions, slanted commentary, careful omissions, outright lies and hate language.
As opposed to that, there are several people on here who seems to post about little else. Their enthusiasm for, and interest in, matters to do with Israel/Palestine is so great that it even overflows into frequent posts about who are the British Fiends of Israel, who’s married to a Jew or has Jewish friends, etc, etc. Not to mention the O/T intrusions into threads that are about something else entirely.
You asked for solutions?
Given the above, why do you ask ME for solutions? Why do you not insist that the Marys, Scorgies, Ba’als, Fedups, Herbies, Jiveses, Brian Fujisans of this blog respond to your request?
I see that apart from Mr Scorgie’s attempt (which you yourself noticed was rather short on details, not to say practicalities*), nobody else has rien to your challenge.
So ask the incessant posters on Israel/Palestine first and once they’ve obliged you I might take your request seriously.
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* a “secular” Palestine, of all things – in a country full of Jews and Muslims!
‘British Fiends of Israel’. Spot on!
Things not looking so good for business. What a shame.
US and European airlines halt Israel flights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28427236
Israel 0 Hamas 1
Even the small victories wont change the Israeli mindset !
They are ethnically cleansing Palestine and they wont be satisfied until all of the land they regard as belonging to Israel is cleaned of Arabic speaking indigenous peoples.
Here is a speech that says it like it is.It’s beautiful, but is anyone listening ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yq2w8h1hdU
Habbabkuk:
I hope you don’t feel I’m ‘insisting’ on anything – it is intended to be no more than a polite request. But I’ve had several thoughtful responses so far (from Ben, Dreolin and Fedup, as well as Doug Scorgie)
[July 20 at 10:26 pm, 10:32 pm and 10:39 pm, and July 21 at 5:23 pm]
I’d love to hear from those others you mention, too, if they can find the time.
But I’m also keen to get ideas from people like you and Resident Dissident, who clearly come at things from a quite different angle from them. I’m not trying to get at you here, I’m serious.
Are you entirely happy with the status quo – separation barrier, deadly IDF ‘operations’, Hamas rockets, and all?
If not, given absolute power and a free rein, what would you do to solve the problems you perceive?
I’m genuinely interested in your viewpoint.
Staff from UCL have issued a letter on the humanitarian law aspects of the Israeli action in Gaza and the need for action to ensure Israel faces consequences for its actions:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/igh/events/Gaza