We do not know who kidnapped and murdered the three children in Palestine. These murders are terrible and need to be investigated. You cannot investigate a murder with bombs and tanks. Tony Blair’s immediate bandwagon-jumping and rush to blame Hamas is typical of a man who has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands through his urge to fix the facts around the policy.
Six Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the past three weeks. That did not get lead headlines in the mainstream media. I should note in fairness that the BBC World News at 9.00 am this morning did mention it, but on standard form that will quickly get censored out of future bulletins.
I don’t recall Tony Blair rushing out press releases as a result if the deaths of those Palestinian children. How exactly does Blair believe his ghoulish publicity seeking on the back of this terrible tragedy is helping anything, except perhaps his long term money-making potential?
I doubt that Hamas killed the children. It would make no sense given its strategy of joining a unified Palestinian leadership and entering the diplomatic dialogue. It must be possible that the children were murdered by a Palestinian individual or group outraged by the recent killings of Palestinian children. It also must be possible that they were killed by an Israeli individual or group eager to undermine the Palestinian unity process and promote the settlement agenda.
All deaths are tragic, and the deaths of younger people always feel more tragic still. Parents are mourning in Israel and Palestine. The answer is not to create more mourning parents and shattered children. All violence in Palestine must be condemned unequivocally.
Now a recording of a phone call has been released. But none of those wonderfully clever Israelis were able to find the location of the cell phone. That’s strange.
Israeli Teen’s Call: ‘They’ve Kidnapped Me
Audio is released of a phone call made to police by one of three Israeli teenagers kidnapped and murdered in the West Bank.
http://news.sky.com/story/1293087/israeli-teens-call-theyve-kidnapped-me
Hallo
yes?
Is this sky news?
I have just been kidnapped by uncle netanyahu, help me, please, he said i would bhe a sacrificial lamb for the eternal; disruction of Israel and I don’t understand it.
He said I would sit next to Solomon and his non existing temple that ever was. My parents will be proud of my sacrifice and it happened once before something about sacrificial Lambs and fire.
So what did Mossad say to these poor wretches before they had to die? that they had to die to keep up the division between people that belong together?
Hamas has no interest in kidnapping people if there is no return in sight, why should they stoop as low as the IDF and harrass, incarcerate and torture children? Thats not their game, thats what israel does, every day of the week.
So what state needs to kill its own people to keep up war and the forceful division of a society in the eye of the world, a society of many differing religions and views that has lived togetehr for hundreds of years?
A zionist Nazi regime copying Hitler in his disgusting tactics?
And don’t worry if you get palpitations or feel sick when you read socket.s collective shite here, or when you switch on the BBC, there are thousands like you and you do not have to take it anymore. Tell them to get stuffed when your next license is due, boycott the buggers and paedo cover up fanatics.
Mary
Could you please supply your son Mr Scorgie with a link which will enable him to listen to the “Today” programme’s feature with the Israeli ambassador to the US and the Palestinian Authority’s Mustafa Barghouti? It was on this morning and I should like your son to listen to it so that he can assure himself that the BBC was giving the same airtime and the same treatment to both the Israeli and the Palestinian.
Thanks. You know it’s the right thing to do.
Nebel-Mind (20h09)
Have you forgotten to take your pills AGAIN?
The men in the flapping white coats will be VERY angry with you!
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Lithium, Lithium, Lithium.
The McCanns were referred to earlier. This investigation is interminable. How much money and how many resources has Cameron allocated to it? He followed on from Brown’s agenda. Brown provided the McCanns with the services of Clarence Mitchell, now at Burson Marsteller.
What do you know about Madeleine McCann? First ‘formal suspects’ quizzed http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-you-know-madeleine-mccann-3795516
A Russian computer expert is named as a suspect. The whole thing seems highly irregular and extraordinary,
Mary (20h32)
“A Russian computer expert is named as a suspect. The whole thing seems highly irregular and extraordinary,”
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Would you care to expand on why the whole thing sounds highly irregular and extraordinary to you?
Please share your insights with us.
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Protect little children everywhere.
That is so funny. The man in the shed does not know how to find a link to the iPlayer for today’s episode of Radio 4 Today. I am not doing any of his bidding.
Mary
“That is so funny. The man in the shed does not know how to find a link to the iPlayer for today’s episode of Radio 4 Today. I am not doing any of his bidding.”
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Why is that so funny? I’m incapable of finding a link to/using iPlayer, you’re incapable of uttering an original thought. None of us is perfect, Mary.
Go in, supply the link – not for me (I heard the programme) but for your son Mr Scorgie, who is not convinced, it seems, that the programme gave equal cooverage and treatment of the Israeli ambassador and the PA’s Mustafa Barghouti. Nobody supplies a link quite like you, Mary!
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Protect all youngsters everywhere – it’s the right thing to do!
Mary,
Great links – your posts are really the best!
Thank you
Funeral of three settler children at top of R4’s news all evening:
http://www.foa.org.uk/news/where-is-the-condemnation-for-the-killing-of-palestinian-teenagers
Four this month, names and circumstances.
Touching Piece By Susan Abulhawa
“The West’s hypocrisy when Palestinian life is disposable but Israeli life is sacrosanct ”
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http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-west-s-hypocrisy-when-palestinian-life-is-disposable-but-israeli-life-is-sacrosanct#.U7MqbkDviSq
The kidnap and murder if the 3 teens seems to be a clear reprisal for the cold blooded murder of 2 Palestinian youths by Israeli soldiers in May, as caught on both security camera footage and by CNN reporters.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/05/22/pkg-watson-4a-west-bank-teens-shot.cnn.html
Note: the video above requires Flash and will not playing most smartphones.
Why was this not prosecuted as a war crime? Is this not adequate evidence?
The endless cycle of violence continues…
The so-called “kidnapping of three Jew students”, as the Jew-controlled media has been describing the incident for the last two weeks – shows the usual marks of an Israeli false flag operation to preparing the groundwork for a major military operation against its neighbors. If you still believe that Israeli Jews would not kill fellow Jews or hurt their friends who feed them – then just remember how the Zionist regime murdered 100,000 Sephardi youths by experimenting radiation effects on them in the 1960s – or how they murdered American crew at the USS Liberty.
http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/01/israel-kills-three-jew-settlers-to-invade-gaza/
“Resident Dissident, if you’re lurking in the shadows, I’m still waiting for a reply; seven days have passed.”
While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?
Petitioning Heads of News at BBC 2
Highlight the 1,500 Palestinian Children Killed by Israeli ‘Defence’ Force since 2000, and Restraint and Peacemaking rather than Condoning ‘Inevitable’ Collective Death Sentence!
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/heads-of-news-at-bbc-highlight-the-1-500-palestinian-children-killed-by-israeli-defence-force-since-2000-and-restraint-and-peacemaking-rather-than-condoning-inevitable-collective-death-sentence
“Aidworker1” wrote : “Mary, Great links – your posts are really the best! Thank you”
Mary, you have to stop your family from posting messages of support using spammar (spam-like grammar). They sound like voices at the back of the crowd milling around the wagon of a passing snake-oil merchant.
“It really does work! His snake-oil’s the best!!”
Jemand (07h18)
Yes, that message of support from “Aidworker1” did appear suspiciously soon after I called Mary out, didn’t it.
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Love the reaction on here to the three Israeli deaths : at the beginning, a couple of perfunctory “so terrible”s and then a deluge of posts about the death of Palestinian young people.
Craig attempted to provide a corrective at 14h54 on 1 July (see above) but of course the Loonies were undeterred.
“While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?”
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Yes, I’m waiting for Doug’s reply as well. But I fear the wait will be long: Doug – aka Brer Rabbit* – is currently unavailable to answer questions. Perhaps he’s on another “mission”?
* lying low and saying nuffin’
Jemand – how you describe Israel as a “Jewish state” while most of its top leaders have been atheists and anti-Semites. The only thing they hd with Jewishness, was, they were born to a Jewish mothers.
Yehezkel Kaufman in article, titled “The Ruin of Soul” collected quotes from some of the Zionist writers (Frishman, Lenni Brenner, Berdichevsky, AD. Gordon, Schawadron, Klatzkin, Pinsker, Israel Joshua Singer, Chaim Kaplan, etc.), which if repeated on air – would get you fired from CNN, BBC, CBS, etc.
http://rehmat1.com/2010/11/21/anti-semitic-roots-of-zionism/
Tony M – thanks, but no mention of affiliations of victims there. I don’t really expect much info on those as the IDF has the final say on the news in Israeli media. But a later Mondoweiss (caveats apply) piece highlights the utter bollocks everyone is being fed by Israel:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-officials-missing.html
I thank Aid Worker 1 for his/her encouragement. I do not know him/her and did not solicit the comment. Thanks.
O/T Wasn’t it good that the young Australian tennis player, son of a Greek father and a Malaysian mother, and with a brother who is a lawyer and a sister who is an actress, beat Nadal yesterday. Modest with it too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Kyrgios
Advance Australia Fair!
correction: half Malaysian mother.
‘Morris said Kyrgios had te potential to become the most marketable player in tennis history.
“He’s got everything,” Morris said.
“He represents Aussie with its great sporting heritage and tennis in particular.
“Then you’ve got the mass audience he can potentially reach in Malaysia with his Mum (Norlaila) being half Malaysian and the entire Asian community.
“And then you’ve got the fanatics of Greece (his father George is Greek-born) and the European market.
“He’s got an appeal and a reach that I don’t think has ever been there in tennis before.
“If he keeps progressing as he is, I think marketing-wise, he can do things in tennis that have never been done before.’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-01/nick-kyrgios-to-play-nadal-at-wimbledon/5564038
Back to Palestine. A friend sent this,
Putting the death of the Israeli squatter teens in context
http://wp.me/p2HBz8-2dE
saying –
‘He was given airtime on Radio 4 Today yesterday. That was most unusual.
I first heard Dr Barghouti at a large meeting in the Institute of Education November 2002. Several of us met his wife Professor…… in Birzeit in 2007. We might not agree at all with the moribund two state solution but we respect his steadfastness and his clear speaking. You will recall how the agents of the entity beat him up and some fellow candidates. I think they were arrested. There was the intention that they could not be elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti
He has described his family’s politics as always being “shaped by opposition to social injustice, rather than by nationalism.
He has said that he was “reshaped” by the Six Day War.
“I felt a huge amount of responsibility. My childhood ended then. We were now under occupation. It was the beginning of a life mission: how do we become free? The feeling of injustice was very strong. Though still a child, I felt the whole world sitting on my shoulders…. Some gave in to defeatism—Nasser had it wrong, it was better to adopt a pro-American stance—but our position was: no, we have to resist, but in a stronger, better way. I’ve never felt I was fighting for the liberation of the Palestinian people on purely nationalistic grounds, one people against another. It was a fight against oppression, against occupation.”
I am reminded that he is a brave man. He could easily have been assassinated.
The ‘only democracy in the ME’ is without doubt the most cruel and lawless aggregation.
Did you know Mustafa received his medical education in Moscow, as many Palestinians did in that era? ‘
In denial:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/there-is-no-cycle-of-violence/
Note the unsupported, bald assertion –
Their Palestinian Arab murderers, as identified by Israel, did not know their victims and they did not care.
Would the author be in a position to know that? Has he heard the interrogation records? Does he know any of the IDF’s victims? Does he care? Ans: No, no, no and no.
Jemand
2 Jul, 2014 – 7:11 am
“While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?”
I answered that Jemand but perhaps you’re too thick to understand.
“Israeli police have found the body of a Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped overnight in East Jerusalem.”
“Mohammed Abu Khdair was last seen being forced into a car early on Wednesday. Within hours, his partly-burned corpse was discovered in a forest.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28124329
We can wait and see if an emergency question in the House of Commons will be applied for and whether the Guardian will have live streaming of the boys funeral.
The kidnap victims were not the innocents which the media has presented them as. They were all members of extreme settler groups which propose the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians:
The Makor Chaim yeshiva in Gush Etzion and the Shavei Hebron yeshiva in Hebron which they attended are well-known centres of nationalist-religious extremism:
“Dov Lior [is] the leader of the Shavei-Hevron yeshiva at Kiryat Arba, a radical Jewish settlement near the occupied Palestinian city of Hebron and a hotbed of Jewish terrorism. Lior has vigorously endorsed Torat Ha’Melech [‘The King’s Torah’ – an extreme racist-nationalist interpretation of the Bible], calling it “very relevant, especially in this time.”
Lior’s enthusiasm for Shapira’s tract stems from his own eliminationist attitude toward non-Jews. For example, while Lior served as the IDF’s top rabbi, he instructed soldiers: “There is no such thing as civilians in wartime… A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail!” Indeed, there are only a few non-Jews whose lives Lior would demand to be spared. They are captured Palestinian militants who, as he once suggested, could be used as subjects for live human medical experiments.
Otherwise, Lior appears content to watch Palestinians perish as they did at the muzzle of Dr. Baruch Goldstein’s machine gun in 1994. Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinians and wounded 150 in a shooting spree while they prayed in Hebron’s Cave of the Patriarchs mosque, was a compatriot and neighbor of Lior in the settlement of Kiryat Arba. At Goldstein’s funeral, Lior celebrated the massacre as an act carried out “to sanctify the holy name of God.” He then extolled Goldstein as “a righteous man.” Thanks to Lior’s efforts, a shrine to Goldstein was constructed in center of Kiryat Arba so that locals could celebrate the killer’s deeds and pass his legacy down to future generations.”
http://maxblumenthal.com/tag/dov-lior/
(the rest of this article is also very good):
From “James Dickens” (who he – another sock-puppet?):
“The kidnap victims were not the innocents which the media has presented them as. They were all members of extreme settler groups which propose the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians:
The Makor Chaim yeshiva in Gush Etzion and the Shavei Hebron yeshiva in Hebron which they attended are well-known centres of nationalist-religious extremism:..”
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To which Craig has already given a good answer (14h54 on 1 July), viz:
“Tony M
Yes – doesn’t justify killing them though (I realise you didn’t say it did, but it needs to be said).”
“James Dickhead” please take nite.
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Doug – “I answered that Jemand but perhaps you’re too thick to understand.”
Yeah, maybe. Perhaps you’ll be kind enough to oblige by answering the question re-framed. Your kind reply will put the question to bed, once and for all, and remove any doubt about suspicions that you are an anti-Jewish hypocrite.
The question, re-framed :
Why are you not vociferously critical of Islamic theocracies to the same extent that you evidently are with regard to Jewish states?
Thanks, Doug.