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We could have built 120,000 new homes, desperately needed. Instead we spent the money on a bloody big ship. To what purpose? An aircraft carrier is of no use to defend the British Isles – land based planes can do that much better. It is to enable our armed forces to operate elsewhere, far from here. In other words, it is not for defence, it is for attack. It was ordered in the Blairite era of enthusiastic invasion of other countries.

Look what that left us. The Middle East in turmoil, half the world hates us, a wrecked economy. Oh and a bloody great ship. Thanks for that.

Not only could 6.2 billion pounds have built 120,000 social housing units around the country, but doing that would have created 200,000 more jobs, and helped cool the housing bubble, as well as giving families nice places to live.

Next time a disabled person has their benefits cut, we can say “Aah, but look, we’ve got a really good boat!”

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  • Mary

    Habbabreak works for Ba’al too I would assume. Pathetic.

    Soon everyone will be in their own personal bubble talking to themselves. Indicative of society in this country at the present time.

  • Graham Harris Graham (@GHarrisG)

    The two QE class carriers will cost over £6 billion. Assuming a full compliment of aircraft each, the planes will cost another £7.5 billion.

    The cost of operating the planes over their lifetime will run about £17 billion & the cost of operating the boats over their lifetime will run about another $4 billion. As we all know, government cost estimates for keeping their big toys are always wrong so these numbers are conservative.

    Nevertheless, instead of building thousands of homes, dozens of hospitals, investing in useful infrastructure that we can all benefit from such as roads, tunnels, bridges, train stations, bus stations, railways, high speed internet, cell phone connectivity etc, the British have decided to invest the money on having two floating airfields from which they can kill brown people in countries British people rarely holiday in anyway.

    Rule Britannia!

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    There goes yet another development of affordable housing.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28148943

    The UK drew up plans to train and equip a 100,000-strong Syrian rebel army to defeat President Bashar al-Assad, BBC Newsnight can reveal.

    The secret initiative, put forward two years ago, was the brainchild of the then most senior UK military officer, General Sir David Richards.

    It was considered by the PM and the National Security Council, as well as US officials, but was deemed too risky.

    The UK government did not respond to a request for comment.

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    Thanks for reaching across the pond, Ba’al. 🙂 The 4th is not much of a holiday for me. Too much bullshit to deal with.

  • Ken Grayling

    It occurs to me to wonder what would happen if the BB ship were to be torpedoed. Unless they’ve developed a forcefield it will truly be ‘all our eggs in one basket’

    It also occurs to me that none of our present ‘enemies’ are appropriate targets of such a device. Still, we’ll be a ‘world player’ and feel pride at having such an asset. HMS White Elephant

  • Mick

    Ken Grayling,

    Only two possible outcomes if the BB ship was torpedoed, it would either remian afloat or it would sink.

    While our enemies may not be appropiate targets for airstrikes most could still be targeted and most likely destroyed by carrier based aviation.

  • Pete

    @Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO,

    “The UK drew up plans to train and equip a 100,000-strong Syrian rebel army to defeat President Bashar al-Assad… secret initiative, put forward two years ago, was the brainchild of the then most senior UK military officer, General Sir David Richards… considered by the PM and the National Security Council, as well as US officials, but was deemed too risky.”

    This rather contradicts the Armed Forces’ usual assertion that they are merely “doing a job” for which they are tasked by the elected government. Sounds more like Sir David was eagerly seeking new wars in which our forces could participate.

  • CanSpeccy

    We could have built 120,000 new homes, desperately needed. Instead we spent the money on a bloody big ship.

    Britain no more needs 120,000 new houses than it needs 182,000 net immigrants per year. Immigration is a racket that drives the construction industry and real estate market, while driving wages lower: these being the actual goals of those bullshit, anti-racist, globalist, immigrant-loving liberal shysters.

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    Pete;

    “This rather contradicts the Armed Forces’ usual assertion that they are merely “doing a job” for which they are tasked by the elected government. Sounds more like Sir David was eagerly seeking new wars in which our forces could participate.”

    It’s not a violation of Posse Comitatus, but it is interesting how many generals populate the political spectrum. They often think they are better equipped to rule than some temporary occupant of the White House, like our own American Caesar Macarthur .

    Sofia;

    http://celtic-lyrics.com/lyrics/380.html

  • OldMark

    ‘The two QE class carriers will cost over £6 billion. Assuming a full compliment of aircraft each, the planes will cost another £7.5 billion.’

    What a scandalous waste! This obvious point stares us in the face, but according to Ms Whyatt on the Beeb’s evening bulletin the carrier instead represents ‘a potent symbol of a united kingdom’ and (to round off her vox pop, in case we missed the point earlier) it also ’embodies a kingdom still united’.

    The most cringe- worthy commentary from a Beeb journalist since the guff it produced for the ‘Royal tours’ in the 60s and 70s.

  • Young Mark

    No, the most potent symbol of a united kingdom is Savile fucking any child that moves at Alt-na-reigh.

  • Aidworker1

    Hasn’t someone mentiom Trident?

    Why can we not vote for a party that doesn’t support this?

  • Fedup

    As the era of huge battleships were over the era of aircraft carries are over (the can be tracked and targeted by the relevant ICBMs no more the hassle of chasing them around with submarines etc.), but is it a good enough excuse to redirect commissions, benefits (no arguments for this kind of benefit scroungers) and allowances. If the chaps drew a cheque made out for “cash” that would be considered fraud and embezzlement, however allocating huge sums of money on totally useless projects and achieve the same objective but without the stigma, and in fact with the added bonus of kudos for being a strong pillar of defending the fatherland!

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28160767

    All I can say in response is…

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  • Johnstone

    In 1973 in Small is Beautiful E. F. Schumacher wrote
    ‘People matter’ and that ‘without education, organization and discipline all resources remain latent untapped potential’
    In 1977 in A guide to the Perplexed he wrote
    ‘In the whole of philosophy, there is no subject in greater disarray than ethics’ and he said ‘to ask the question of purpose (good for what?) has been called the ‘naturalistic fallacy’ – virtue is its own reward! None of the great teachers of mankind would have been satisfied with such an evasion. If a thing is said to be good but no one man can tell me what is good for, how could I be expected to take any interest in it’

  • mike

    Ukraine are attacking Russian border posts again.

    The Kiev Nazis are determined to exterminate those “subhumans” and “parasites” in the East.

  • Muscleguy

    @Aidworker1

    Here in Scotland we did, twice, with a bigger majority the second time and they are still riding high on all polls.

    Oh and they have given us the best opportunity we are ever likely to get to be rid of them. it’s a prime motivation for me to vote Yes on September 18.

  • fred

    “Here in Scotland we did, twice, with a bigger majority the second time and they are still riding high on all polls. ”

    In the 2010 UK elections most Scots, over a million, voted for Labour who are in favour of Trident. Another nearly 900,000 voted for the Conservatives and Liberals who are now in power. They far outweigh the SNP and Greens, just over 500,000 between them.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    Apparently we need the bloody big ship for humanitarian purposes.

    There was a defence dept spokesman on Newsnight just now justifying the £6.2bn warship on the grounds that it is sometimes the only way to get relief aid to 3rd world victims of natural disasters.

    I hope you cynics feel ashamed of yourselves now.

  • Brendan

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28114463

    (From 2010) http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/key-issues-for-the-new-parliament/social-reform/housing-supply-and-demand/

    “Both the Labour and Conservative manifestos expressed a commitment to the extension of home-ownership. However, the Labour manifesto did not include any figures on the numbers of new homes that might be delivered beyond 2011. The Conservatives would seek to abolish regional housing targets and devolve decision making over the number of houses built to local authorities.”

    We don’t build houses anymore. It used to be a central plank of Government: build some houses for growing population. I think the Housing Minister used to be important. Not now. Interesting article, apparently now councils are meant to build a house when one is sold under the right-to-buy system. They don’t, ’cause they are skint. I’m not sure how many are built at national, governmental level. None, probably, though I’d have to do some research on that.

    So, it looks like the Tories have ingenuously devolved house building to skint councils, and the useless Labour Party have said nothing. As ever, it’s all been left to the magic of the market. This never works, but they keep at it. Maybe one day it will? Until then, Governments refuse to use their powers of central planning to build enough houses, prices rise, people go homeless. And we build a silly ship instead. Over here in Oz they bought a bunch of crap jet fighters, a week before announcing an austerity budget. So it goes. The Sarlak is hungry.

    Of course, if more houses were built, this may ease the rise in prices. This would be a good thing, unless you have a vested interest, like a property portfolio, or an economic system built around ever increasing house prices. I think I just explained Government policy there, almost by accident.

    Maybe Indy isn’t such a bad idea. In principle, I’m against, don’t like nationalist movements. But ridding ourselves of the UK ‘democracy’ is a strong argument, given the utter uselessness of the Labour Party.

  • Parky

    Apparently this new war vessel is as long as the Palace of Westminster and so perhaps a good idea would be to place both Houses of Lords, Commons and a good section of Whitehall into it and sail it off into the sunset or the Persian Gulf. That should save us billions in future public waste and debt (with which this ship is probably paid with).

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