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Sorry O/T, but there are moves afoot to widen the conflict to Syria.
Up to now we have taken their words for it, we have not seen the US bomb and destroy Isis fighting units. ISIS are proxy supporters of the US who is desperate to lay its hands on to Syrian and northern Iraqi oilfields, they have been for years working there.
Isis is holding 49 Turkish prisoners taken from Mosuls Turkish consulate, further connecting the tissues of an all out war. Whence Turkey has come out of its electoral fever, Erdogan, the most likely winner, will put his country on alert. He could focus on Isis in Syria due to his refugee crisis, leaving the door open for other NATO actions.
Assad is pounding Aleppo and the refugees fleeing to Turkey some 50 mile down the road are causing a headache for Erdogan. How long before the US will be pursuing Isis into Syrian territory and find that they are confronted with Assads airforce?
The middle east is well alight and Iran is to the right of Irbil.
sorry its in German, try your best….;)
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/dschihadisten-vormarsch-von-is-in-syrien-bringt-tuerkei-in-not-a-985914.html
Paul: sorry to be the party-pooper. I guess it’s not really any of my business. I can’t help thinking however that right now, at this crucial stage, the Yes campaign could do with a few fusspots of its own. You need a cool, sober hand on the tiller for a start. You can’t all be having a good knees-up. The ship is drifting towards the rocks. Remember: Yes 35%, No 55%. Five weeks to go.
That’s red ed milliband,this era’s Michael foot ,recently seen posing with a copy of the sun newspaper?
You’re not being a party pooper any more than you are answering my question.
May the event increase people’s genuine understanding of an independent Scotland’s true likely viability, if their banks screw up without London to bail them out. 🙂
Do you mean these questions? I thought they were rhetorical:
“Who gets your coveted imprimatur on key issues?
Are they offering independence?
Are they offering currency independence?”
There’s only the SNP isn’t there? Independence isn’t even on the table.
Yes, MJ those questions.
Very straightforward ones, I thought.
The question on the referendum ballot is:
Should Scotland be an independent country?
I believe the SNP are encouraging us to vote yes
Well vote yes then. Or no.
“Essentially that 85.000 guarantee is a ‘mythical’ or theoretical figure.”
Sigh. The EU demand it.
“I am deeply sceptical that the UK could survive a financial meltdown of the scale that created a situation where everyone had to be compensated to that degree.”
You’re probably right. It would be of more use if one big bank when bust. All the banks buy insurance. That’s what it’s about.
You are of course just arguing that it’s irrelevant, because supporters of independence can’t answer the question, not even at Holyrood, where in fact this has been asked. You’ve decided you’re for ‘independence’, so any hard question must be irrelevant and the cognitive dissonance kicks in.
“In that scenario, what currency would the payments be made in if there was a financial meltdown of that order? Dollars? Euros?”
The currency the bank accounts are in. The £85,000 figure is in fact a conversion from €100,000. So if a poond is worth half a GBP then the protection would have to be to 170,000 poonds.
“Meltdown of that order“?
“If there was to be a scenario where the entire (those with savings) population was to be compensated to that degree, it would mean that the currency had collapsed for reasons other than financial actions or inaction. A nuclear accident of huge proportions? a monumental natural event? At that point, whatever assets you hold are irrelevant .Tins of beans might become the new currency.
They might indeed – I agree.
I will be voting yes, and my vote will not be based on opinion polls, or whether a fellow believer in independence:
doesn’t rate alex salmond,
Can forsee terrible consequences,
Luridly talks of ships nearing rocks
And can’t answer a straight question.
It’ll be based on my own opinion.
I’ll be voting “no” because I’ve thought about and formed an opinion of probable consequences of a “yes” majority.
Paul – it’s not just your “fellow believers” who can’t answer the questions convincingly; it’s you yourself. I don’t think you get this banking stuff much.
“.Tins of beans might become the new currency.”
Taking this out of the ethnocentrism, that’s a global issue. What happens to the Euro/pound when Petrodollar breathes it’s last? Better stock that pantry.
Here’s a question:
The EU demand it because the banks couldn’t work without it. Its a backstop for the banks,not the punters.
Better bank regulation , including people like sir fredly shredly sewing mailbags for a good stretch, will do more for the common folk than underwriting these crooks.
Better bank regulation is not on offer in the united kingdom. An independent country would be wise to concentrate on it.
“MJ, OK, you’re arguing that Scotland should have its own currency. Scotland only gets choices about its currency if it becomes independent. Are you arguing that the Scottish Government shouldn’t become independent of Westminster unless it declares for a separate currency from the start; that there’s something wrong with deciding about currency later?”
Yes, obviously, the people of Scotland have a right to know what they are voting for before they vote.
I see people here who will have no say in the matter saying “Scotland could do this” or “Scotland could do that”. That isn’t good enough, the people who will be doing the deciding should be telling us now exactly what they intend to do.
Now that Westminster has stated that there will be no currency union the Scottish government should tell us exactly what their currency would be and exactly how it would affect the price of potatoes so we can make a decision based on facts not faith.
There is a Massive Disconnect going on here..and it is because normal human relationships are breaking down…because hardly anyone will tell the truth about anything really important..We all know that something Terrible is Going On..but we don’t really know what it is..but it Really is Not that hard to work it it out…and have the courage to say..well what you have analysed in great detail…about what is going on…
Just tell The Truth – Regardless of The Consequences….
Do you want me to tell you…
Or will you think I am mad…
As you probably can’t spend 10 years finding out the real history of the world – which is not as simple as you may think it is..and you keep on trying to find out…where the problem is…coming from…..
Just switch off from this complete and utter bizzarre artificial reality we are programmed with…
Meet Real People – Camping at Festivals – and Dance and Make Love…
But Don’t Mention 9/11
You Wimps Can’t Handle It.
These Fuckers Are Really Evil.
But Most People are Really Nice.
If We don’t stand up to them..They Will Kill Us All.
Wake Up.
Tony
“Or will you think I am mad…”
Yes. It’s quite barmy to solicit good will amongst people. It’s much more fun to alienate others, even within a narrow band of what’s agreed upon. It seems the ‘something Terrible going on’ seeks and succeeds at creating divisions amongst those who probably agree on the Big Picture, but niggle and dispute with minutiae just for the purpose of seeming important, as though what matters is personal animosities.
That Dark Force seems to have us all in it’s grip. I think that’s they way they like it.
‘I don’t think you get this banking stuff much’
I do, and you come across as completely ignorant of its nature and its mechanics. Worrying about what happens when bank goes bust is just plain stupid.
Modern banking is basically completely corrupt, its higher echelons consider themselves above the law and know their fuck ups will be made good by their political servants.
The EU has plenty of stupid ideas, and transforming Europe into one giant life support system for crooked,degenerate bankers is probably its worst.
Worried about how a country will cope when one of these criminal entities collapses under the weight of its own bullshit?
Why not worry about preventing it in the first place?
Sighing like Scarlett O’Hara doesn’t make you any kind of authority. It just makes you come over as a condescending,but basically stupid,prick.
And anyway,what questions have I failed to answer?
My Wife and I both Retired 10 Years ago. Neither of Us Claim Benefits – though I do have a Pension from My Former Employer…
I am now eating my Evening Meal
Its an assortment of Vegetables including The Very Best Potatoes I Have Ever Tasted in My Life…
I Did Not Catch The Fish….
But My Wife Grew All The Vegetables – with The Help of Her Friends on Both The Community and Private Allotments…
Now That is INDEPENDENCE
It’s The Good Life
Why Don’t You Stop Writing Crap on The Internet – and Get Off Your Arse and Volunteer – and Do Something Useful…
She Promotes it Too…
How Could She Not…
She is The Best Looking Peasant Girl There…
Yes it Is O.K. if You Take My Photograph..and Show Everyone What I am Doing…
In The Local Newspapers and Internet…
Do You Want To See The Photographs…
This is Not a BBC Series…
This is Real
Tony
Scotland has said what their currency will be Fred.You ,like Westminster ,just don’t listen.
Salmond would want a currency union. Numpties say Not !! Then use the pound anyways.
I believe its called pegging.
Here’s a question sounds like a right Banker. We do know what you guys are up to.
Banks are exeptional and can’t go bust !! No matter how bad the business goes… the MD’s just keep on going ,not for our good ,but theirs. It’s a pile of sh** and its protected by the 3 party system.
Re referendums.
As unionists are trained to say, a Yes would result in a Salmond dictatorship. Does this mean that Cameron will be a dictator for life if he wins his in/out Euro referendum in 2015?
I just found the biggest Slug of My Life…Eating One of My Wife’s Plants…I Brought it In Our Home To Show My Wife…I was going to say…would You Like Some Really Nice Meat…No Poisonous Additives…It is The Healthiest Slug I Have Ever Seen in My Wife…
But She is On The Phone To One of Her Friends…
I thought No I can’t Eat It…and I cant Kill it…
Its as Big as a Turd…So I flushed it Down The Toilet…
The Rats Can Eat It…
Normally Our Birds Do The Job
Tony
Mr Here’s a question
You are being disingenuous.
OK i might have used the word ‘arbitrary’ although that is not quite right either, as the figure is a guesstimate of the appropriate level of compensation to allow people to recover in the event of a bank going belly-up. A few people would lose a lot of money. Those with in excess of 85,000 deposits.
However you skip the point that the figure is arrived at in some kind of pragmatic way to minimise the disruption a bank run can cause.Indeed it is a measure to reduxce the risk f a bank run. I have no doubt that Bankers and economists and accountants and regulatory authorities from various countries have arrived at the figure by looking at various figures related to savings and deposits, and the burden on banks, and on governments, and so on. So the figure is a theoretical one. You woud be pretty pissed off if you had just received a cash sum of 2000,000 (say a pension pot temporarily lodged in a bank and were then compensated only to the tune of 85,000.
That person would not give up on the missing 115,000.The bank would still be liable.
As i said it would not be a difficult piece of administration to set up this mechanism in the event of a yes vote.
Finally you also ignored the point that a country’s treasure or value . That is made up of many different elements but the peple is an important part of the equation. The employability and educational status is part of the equation.The demographic factors are quite crucial. Scotland undoubtedly occupies a place in that group of nations such as Netherlands Denmark,Ireland, Sweden,and RUK and switzerland, with a mix of liabilities and assets, advantages and disadvantages both natural and man-made.
I would not want to argue about where in that group Scotland lies but it is certainly ‘attached ‘ to the Western European model and would not be an exceptional case.
Scotland has real value and it would be able to apply that value to matters such as underwriting the banking guarantee .However it also would have the potential to legislate to regulate the banking sector. It is not at all inconceivable that the banking sector could be better regulated in Scotland than in England/rUK, where housing bubbles are manufactured to save the skins of whatever group of unaccountable shysters are in place at the time.
We are really talking about here about ways to address the deficit in accountability within the political system and the opportunity to become the masters of your own destinies. Is that not a great prize to be grasped without hesitation?
Go on you know you can-just vote yes-dinna be feart , ya big galoot.
Ben-American Fascist Flechette,
The Dark Forces haven’t got me in their Grip…I Do Not Talk Politics To My Friends and Angels…
They are Innocent, and I do not want them being Corrupted.
I once herard some completely horrible news and I knew it was true…
Even My Best Angel Friend – who is Extremely Well Trained..said Tony…I Can’t Take That…Please do not tell me..but I already had…
It was about 6 years ago…and I had read what…The KSA and The Israel’s were Doing To My Ex’s Cousins in Serbia…
You Know..Capturing…The Most Beautiful Teenage Boys and Girls in The World…in the shadow of a war…
And Killing Them For Their Organs…
For Organ Transplants
I Never Told My Ex and Never Will
We all Met on Sunday and Got on Extremely Well
I hadn’t seen her for 33 years.
Can You Take That HORROR
I find it Really Hard
and it is Only The Intrinsic Beauty of Most of the The Human Race..That Keeps Me Going…
You See. I haven’t Given Up…
But I can’t tell everyone I know How Evil These People Are…
They can’t take it…and Neither Should They..
Someone Around Here Has To Be Strong
Where are You???
Any Men Here?
Tony
“Scotland has said what their currency will be Fred.You ,like Westminster ,just don’t listen.
Salmond would want a currency union. Numpties say Not !! Then use the pound anyways.
I believe its called pegging.”
So an independent Scotland would surrender all control over their currency and monetary policy to another country?
Then that is what the leaflets falling through people’s letter boxes should say.
Now here’s Fred at 6:15, chiming in to make the impetuous Scots suss out every jot and tittle before they make a move. Exactly. Exactly.
Before it’s over Fred will be carping, But what national holidays are we to have? What hygrometric standards are we going to use for commingled grain stores? How high are the sleeping policemen going to be? Which thistle variety are we to choose for the flags: acanthium or gautieri? Anything to keep you from taking a position on self-determination of the people.
Yes means, Fuck your pathetic British ragbag, butlers to America, punching above your spavined fly-weight at helpless wogs. Torturers, aggressors, cowards for impunity, a disgrace to all the peoples of the world, and no fit country for the Scottish.
“Now here’s Fred at 6:15, chiming in to make the impetuous Scots suss out every jot and tittle before they make a move. Exactly. Exactly. ”
I think currency is an important issue and those being asked to decide have a right to know.
Was there any reason you didn’t want them to know?
In time there will be a Scot’s pound inevitably as Westminster deservedly implodes as deep-rooted corruption there is insoluble and the stench become intolerable. In the meantime after independence, all the evidence from similar arrangements existing around the world of fully-tradeable currencies shared is that the different national economies work counter-cyclically to stabilise the working currency. Independent Scotland’s proposed policies will help the UK and if the UK scraps Trident rather than relocates it, saving the renewal and operating costs (they still have many other cruder older nuclear weapon types stored I believe at Dundrennan in Scotland, which they must also scrap or relocate) then the UK will reap huge benefits in doing so, enough to put the r-UK’s NHS on a sound publicly-owned basis for a hundred years or more.
Though Tories or Labour will try keep the costly rented from the US and controlled by the US Trident, the only say over which the UK has is whether to use Pledge or Mr Sheen to polish it with, and even if they made such necessary and obvious savings, are determined still to hive off all of the NHS to faceless mainly US based corporations in return for plum jobs and wads of dosh. The NHS sell-off in process in r-UK is reaching a point of no return; after Scotland votes Yes, Cameron can be given no choice but an immediate GE and England, Wales, Northern Ireland need real political choices other than their indistinguishable Tory or Labour torturers and tormentors – a rescue the NHS, scrap Trident and rebuild a productive manufacturing economy Coalition- the bent broken all eggs in one basket financial-sector casino economy’s vital signs being absent and the undertakers shuffling their feet impatiently.
Fred: If the pound looks like failing it’ll be dropped like lead. If it remains stable then Scotland will keep it, it’s more control than Scotland has now.
Oil prices have nothing to do with the pound. They’ll be sold for whatever the world price and oil currency is at the time.Unstable pound,switch to Swiss Francs. Oh it’s pegged to an unstable €uro,let’s peg to the Renminbi.
Don’t worry ,your croft and internet connection will be safe in an independent Scotland.Yer coos might no be so scabby n all.
Tony; We do what we can, but you can’t just volunteer at a food bank and be done with it. Politics is woven through all human activities.
Right now I’m trying to get the truth from my elected local leaders on a proposed new prison (Privatized, of course). Both the Planning Commission and City Council have declared their ignorance of such. My own research revealed it has been approved (2011) but is being held up because the State has disciplined the city for not following through on faulty water treatment. As a result, all new permits for construction including the prison and a housing development are being held up. City council meeting tonight. My wife is going with me to keep me from being arrested. Yet these public servants have no knowledge of a prison being built in their tiny community. Right now I’m waiting for a response to email about when the public meeting was held, if any. I need that for the meeting, but it’s not essential.
Here’s the thing. Any non=profit has to fight these same hooligans. Back-room deals and payola, along with patronage is the devil we know. You have to get them by the neck to get their attention. That’s politics 101 for living life large.