Between 4 and 20 August the Saudi Arabian government beheaded 19 people. Saudi Arabia, which has funded and armed ISIS from inception (initially with CIA support), is now bombing alongside the USA in Iraq and Syria.
Forget the war technology porn regularly being broadcast by western media, with those spectacular photos of missiles erupting from ships into the night sky. Those missiles and bombs eviscerate and maim innocents as well as combatants, children as well as terrorists. The West always first denies, then regrets, “collateral damage”. The propaganda can be laughable. During the invasion of Iraq I remember a news propaganda item about how a cruise missile can enter a specific window, being followed by the next item – the US had apologised to Syria for two missiles aimed at Iraq which had hit Syria by accident.
If we can accidentally bomb the Chinese Embassy in Serbia, we can – and do – hit civilian homes near the proposed target. Being eviscerated by a piece of flying shrapnel is no less terrible than being beheaded by a jihadist. Let us not pretend that our violence is somehow nicer. Children will be dying under our bombs soon.
Other than the two extraordinary crazed Nigerians, there have been no recent Islamic motivated terrorist attacks in the UK and even a slowdown in the propaganda of phoney attacks. This was a threat to the major financial interests of the security industry, in both its governmental and private branches.
There can be no greater nonsense than the idea that the Caliphate poses a direct threat to the UK. This is even more crazy than the claim that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the UK. But by seeking to join in the bombing campaign, and initiating a new round of fake “anti-terror” arrests in London, the British government is doing everything it possibly can do to try to provoke terrorist violence on British streets. The interests of the security state are therefore secured. I am longing for somebody to explain to me the precise mechanism by which our bombing Islamic countries helps prevent terrorist incidents in the UK. The way it can provoke such incidents seems to me too obvious to need stating. Indeed it says a great deal for the wisdom and tolerance of Britain’s Muslim communities that it has not provoked more. They could teach government a great deal about the good sense of not resorting to violence to gratify passions and earn short term acclaim.
Captain Komodo-Baal (cashiered)
“RoS – FFS stop feeding the troll. Please.”
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Is the above the best thing you can do apart from imploring Craig to ban me?
Still using Habbabreak, Captain?
It would appear that a protest has been happening outside Downing Street this afternoon:
http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/stopthewar-downingst_bn_1411924976718.html
Peacewisher
“@Habby:
If you are not party of the arms industry, or a power-obsessed politician, or one of those “soldiers who want to be heroes, numbered practically zero”, why would you choose war? The answer has to be some kind of brainwashing, don’t you think?”
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Sorry, is that a response to a particular comment of mine or just a general observation? If the former, which?
Correction: Looks like a retweet from Thursday. “Right Now” usually means just that. Interesting what’s going on in Hong Kong…
RzepublicOfWSetDreams
“..as to why the west is hell bent on starting wars, which may lead to WWIII.”
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Love the “may”! 🙂
It reminds me of those adverts for vitamins pills and various supplements you buy in Boots. You know : “two pills of xxxx a day MAY contribute towards reducing joint pain “.
You’d be a shoe-in for Chatham House, RoS. Think seriously about applying!
In his infamous 1968 book, “The Population Bomb”, Paul Ehrlich and his wife Anne wrote…
“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people…We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
Ehrlich felt that the blight of new-born babies was so potentially devastating to humanity that in 1969 he actually advocated adding sterilisers to the food and water supply. Lest there were any doubt about his remarks, he further elaborated on them in ‘Ecoscience’, a 1977 book that he co-authored with Barack Obama’s current science Czar, John Holdren, in which they once again advocated adding sterilising agents to the water supply.
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Makes you wonder if depopulation is the real goal, how many millions of African children have died over the last fifty years years or so, due to malnutrition. At the same time I wonder how much wealth has been spent on wars, and is this war any different from the rest, I doubt it very much.
Love the “may”! 🙂
It reminds me of those adverts for vitamins pills and various supplements you buy in Boots. You know : “two pills of xxxx a day MAY contribute towards reducing joint pain “.
You’d be a shoe-in for Chatham House, RoS. Think seriously about applying!
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I’ve not to feed you, now what happened to the wicked witch when Dorothy threw water on her.
RoS thunders (in my general direction)
“Again another condescending, and jibberish comment you wait for folk to comment then you critic their comments, but wait I don’t see any comment from you?”
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“Jibberish” ?
“to critic” ??
“No comments from you” ??? Lots of them, shame you don’t like some of them. Bwahahaha.
ReoublicOfHolocaustDenial
“I suppose we should just apply “Occams Razor” to…etc, etc, etc…”
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Don’t suppose, RoS, it’s not your strong suit.
And don’t even think about “thinking”! 🙂
ISIS is to Iraq
as Kymer Rouge is to ?
Hmm. It seems the investment of my time is producing progressively little ROV. Time to shift assets.
RoS
“That’s a bit rich coming from a guy who never puts his head above the parapet, when it comes to predictions”
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Well, it’s true that I am cautious about making predictions. Probably because I’m not related to Nostradamus.
Are you a fan of Nostradamus, RoS?
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“I must admit at least other forum users, make useful comments on a wide range of subjects”
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By Jove, that’s magnanimous of you, RoS.
Peacewisher, its not about profits. They could make even more profits by developing, manufacturing and selling something that is totally good and wonderful for the planet and the human race. They are psychos, and the ONLY pleasure they get is From Killing People. Sad Bastards.
Tony
Question to All:
Is Republicofscotland one of the (unsuspected) faces of Mary, uncharacteristically absent for some while now?
Sad for us, Tony, and sad for capitalism.
“Must be at least half of ISIL transporting oil, Fred. If they sell any more, there won’t be any left to fight. Maybe the West should just start buying oil from them.”
I was wondering if they might be overloading but no, they would be risking a hefty fine if they got stopped and anyway it would invalidate their insurance.
Tony_Opmoc 3:07 and Tony M 6:28 and Oddie – 7:04 am 3 posts
You 3 early birds make the tedious scrolling all worth while. Tony_O you are the Lancastrian Tom Robbins of the CMBlog (thats supposed to be a compliment… by the way)
Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) !,
I have no idea…but who are you? Doesn’t Mary think you are a former English Diplomat? Is that really what you did???
I find that incredibly hard to believe. My uncle used to do that…and even when he was in his 80’s…been retired for years…not only was he a complete Gentleman..he was as Bright as a Button. I can’t believe that Standards have fallen so low since then…
Come on – own up…Is it true? Did you use to be a Diplomat??
Cos you certainly are not now…maybe it’s the Alzheimer’s kicking in???
Did you use to be any good?
Tony
Johnstone,
Thanks for that…but I am in no way as good as that. I have no idea who Tony M is…but some of the stuff he writes…just blows me away…it is so good…the comparison is like, I am just trying to learn how to play guitar (still can’t do it) and he is Joe Satriani.
Tony
Critique of reflex leftwing respomses to IS here. Good one, and I cautiously agree with his conclusions, while sharing his despair:
http://www.leninology.co.uk/
In some ways, I was happier when I was 7 years old…yes I know I had every childhood disease which I managed to survive…but coming home from school (Corpus Christi) in Oldham sometimes in the snow…we would just go and play in the bombed out mill…that was bombed in 1942…still they had not demolished it or made it safe or anything..and us kids used to all sing in the playground (WW2 war songs) do you want to hear them…cos The Bastards want to Do It Again.
Tony
Ba’al Zevul,
I can’t believe I just read all that. Didn’t they teach him Précis at school? I am not arguing with any of what he wrote…well I wanted to do a bit – because I don’t think he actually understands anything much about what ISIL actually is all about.
Try this instead…
“I am sorry that it took me over 6400 words to explain all that, but in a society were most “thoughts” are expressed as “tweets” and analyses as Facebook posts, it was a daunting task to try to shed some light to what is turning to be a deluge of misunderstandings and misconceptions, all made worse by the manipulation of the social media.”
This bloke is a genius
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-russian-response-to-double.html
Tony
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4575659,00.html
Oh dear , that old demographic demon is threatening the ‘ purity ‘ of the self-declared ‘ Jewish State ‘ again .
Sounds like you’ve got Richard Seymour pretty well summed up, Tony. So much waffle you begin to think it’s cover for not having a clue what he’s writting about. I see he’s even banned comments now, which is probably a good move as some of his previous positions were becoming untenable.
A Node
The Kurdish know about the politics of oil. They see the tankers queuing up and they know the money is going to the pockets of businessmen however they are dressed, as Da’ish, as westerners, as Arabs or whatever.
The pockets are like light-emitting di-odes, the money that flows into those business pockets is an attraction to other businessmen who have things to trade or sell.
The FSA who represent the people of Syria realise that USUKIS attacks on ISIS are hitting civilians and therefore damaging their cause against Assad . USUKIS is doing Assad’s airborne bombing for him if they are killing civilians.
Add to this that ISIS have the hospitality of Turkey to seek shelter from USUKIS bombing. They emerged from Turkey in their fleets of new Humvees and they can return at will.
The smell of oil and power makes businessmen go crazy. In terms of Islam it is fool’s gold. How much you chase the smell of oil you lose the smell of Heaven, because you will sacrifice anybody and anything to get hold of it.
As to Islamic State, I’ve noticed that the LED flicker of that money is drawing more and more younger Muslims to agree with them. It’s left to the older generations to fight for the truer taste of Islam and heaven.
Only God knows what is in the hearts. One thing is for sure, Islamic State is cool for young people. That’s the power of marketing for you.
Ever wonder how a talentless hack like David Aaronovitch earns enough to get so bloated? Who pays Jonathan Freedland‘s sufficient blood money to buy off his conscience? Why, the CIA of course.
‘Bought Journalism’: German bestseller reveals CIA pay Western media for spin & bia.
“http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4575659,00.html
Oh dear , that old demographic demon is threatening the ‘ purity ‘ of the self-declared ‘ Jewish State ‘ again .”
That’s not what the article was saying was it? He’s arguing that the Bedouin should be brought into Israeli society rather than continue to exist in the desert where their increasing birthrate and lack of resources is causing extreme poverty.
David Cameron has said today that there is a “strong case” for extending air strikes against “psychopathic” Isil from Iraq into Syria despite opposition from Labour. Mr Cameron said he hopes to build a “consensus” on the issue but is prepared to intervene in Syria without seeking a vote in Parliament if it would avert a “humanitarian catastrophe”.
What does Washington have on David Cameron to apply pressure like this so successfully? The US have started bombing Syrian soil already.
Has D.C. been briefed by Tony Blair?
Does he have Paisley pyjamas as well?
The first Commons vote was a big mistake in leaving the door open. There may not even be a second vote now.
“Critique of reflex leftwing respomses to IS here. Good one, and I cautiously agree with his conclusions, while sharing his despair”
Mmm, Yea well intellectuals do like to pontificate 🙂
But seems to me setting out an idealogical framework is not the signal of the type of person who’s going to act, so maybe not someone who very qualified. These things are not predictable, thankfully.
Possibility’s are far more unknown, and it’s good to see it in that way least people are imprinted. It can really restrict those who should really be making up there own minds on what they can and can’t do.
+Based of personal experience I always find stuff says more about me.
I’m finding it increasingly restricting, the left right business, generalising about movements . It’s say it’s indicative of a culture that often does not know how to act, or in the same way as more ordinary people. I think those in the intellectual (let’s call it resistance) are very uninspired.
I try not to act through the lens of historical or political thinking. Most people don’t. This idea of ‘solutions’ strikes me also. I wonder if people act in such a way.
Who knows, Not Chomsky.
‘Young people without the same institutional memory’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VHrN_K7C3s
Well, I think it is O.K. to almost give it all away for free…providing you make a profit..Yes you think you can just give it all away for free..but then you have got nothing left…have you any seed for the plants…no…My wife and her friends don’t actually charge anyone for all the food they grow…at the community and private allotments…but some people are like that. I am not. I can’t ask my Son to run his business like that…He needs to make a profit…or he can’t invest to make it bigger…He is owed an extremely large amount of money…and his Mum gets a bit annoyed with him…why don’t you just cut them off – and tell them…You Have To Pay NOW..if you want to SEE..My son runs an ISP…I sometimes look at what he does…and I think Blimey. He’s far better than me.
Tony