Between 4 and 20 August the Saudi Arabian government beheaded 19 people. Saudi Arabia, which has funded and armed ISIS from inception (initially with CIA support), is now bombing alongside the USA in Iraq and Syria.
Forget the war technology porn regularly being broadcast by western media, with those spectacular photos of missiles erupting from ships into the night sky. Those missiles and bombs eviscerate and maim innocents as well as combatants, children as well as terrorists. The West always first denies, then regrets, “collateral damage”. The propaganda can be laughable. During the invasion of Iraq I remember a news propaganda item about how a cruise missile can enter a specific window, being followed by the next item – the US had apologised to Syria for two missiles aimed at Iraq which had hit Syria by accident.
If we can accidentally bomb the Chinese Embassy in Serbia, we can – and do – hit civilian homes near the proposed target. Being eviscerated by a piece of flying shrapnel is no less terrible than being beheaded by a jihadist. Let us not pretend that our violence is somehow nicer. Children will be dying under our bombs soon.
Other than the two extraordinary crazed Nigerians, there have been no recent Islamic motivated terrorist attacks in the UK and even a slowdown in the propaganda of phoney attacks. This was a threat to the major financial interests of the security industry, in both its governmental and private branches.
There can be no greater nonsense than the idea that the Caliphate poses a direct threat to the UK. This is even more crazy than the claim that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the UK. But by seeking to join in the bombing campaign, and initiating a new round of fake “anti-terror” arrests in London, the British government is doing everything it possibly can do to try to provoke terrorist violence on British streets. The interests of the security state are therefore secured. I am longing for somebody to explain to me the precise mechanism by which our bombing Islamic countries helps prevent terrorist incidents in the UK. The way it can provoke such incidents seems to me too obvious to need stating. Indeed it says a great deal for the wisdom and tolerance of Britain’s Muslim communities that it has not provoked more. They could teach government a great deal about the good sense of not resorting to violence to gratify passions and earn short term acclaim.
I am kind of new to the world of alternative media and am amazed at the amount I have learned in a short space of time. One article / you tube video I have watched is by storm clouds gathering – the geopolitics of wwIII – which in summary frames all US Middle East policy through the perspective of the petrodollar. To me this analysis resonates but I am still relatively uneducated. I would very much like to know other commenters opinions on this – as he says, the actions in the Middle East make sense when viewed through the petrodollar agenda. But if this is the case it makes me wonder why the whole petrodollar issue isn’t mentioned more in the alternative media (I can see why the mainstream media would ignore it). Is it a discredited theory? If not, I wonder if it should be promoted more as it is an “easy” way to get people to wake up and start questioning the real motives and agendas behind the warmongering. Most people are simply not aware that the “axis of evil” are all countries who want to create an alternative currency basis for resource trade. Once the questions start, as I have found, there is a huge domino effect and the mist begins to clear rapidly. All you need is a trigger to make you start asking the questions. If more people could be woken up and begin to educate themselves, their peers and the next generation, there is real hope for real change.
“If more people could be woken up and begin to educate themselves, their peers and the next generation, there is real hope for real change.”
Agree, good post, and also trying to force the midea to the job they are meant to.
U.S. Architects of Disaster
http://prisonradio.org/media/audio/mumia/us-architects-disaster-226-mumia-abu-jamal
Hankyspanky
“You are so twisted that if you swallowed a nail, you’d shit it out as a corkscrew.”
Israel clearly has the right to exist as a pluralistic nation, but does not have a right to exist as an apartheid.
Doug Scorgie is a man so straight that if he swallowed a corkscrew he would emit it as a 6″ nail, in my opinion
Kempe
Are you saying that the British government has never done anything bad?
Are you saying that conspiracies do not happen?
Are you saying that fake blood does not exist?
Are you saying that nothing has ever been staged on the Outer Hebrides, including perhaps a film or theatre production?
Are you suggesting that your answers to all of the above do not make Node completely right on whatever he wants to invent?
Ishmael
The BBC is not good at finding questions people don’t want to answer. In your earlier comment, Who is fighting who?
“Habbabkuk, didn’t you know? The Falklands War was a massive false flag operation staged in an isolated area of the Outer Hebrides. All the so-called casualties were crisis actors and the blood was fake. Nobody can disprove it so it must be true!”
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You mean it was just like 9/11, the London bombings, the Boston Marathon bombing and the Gunner Lee Rigby case??
God, is there no limit to the sheer depravity of the PTB? I feel Mary’s pain and weep Fujisan’s tears. BASTARDS!!
Doug Scorgie, sorry to hear about your MP, especially if he is as evasive as Habbabkuk. Incidentally I mentioned the other night to Ben that he had taken a sentence out of my main punt, like the trolls do. And Habbabkuk has tried to steer the topic away from the illegal bombing (again) of Iraq and Syria. But I am inclined to answer a question of his.
“Or was it the Brits invading Argentina…?”
No, like all the other imperialists that drove out or enslaved the indigenous population, they did that centuries ago to steal land and resources. Oil (petrodollars) is what they want to keep their greedy hands on now.
guano
O that one, Yes ignored it. I made the point I wanted to above. And defended it. Don’t want go on about other stuff you want.
Guano (23h02)
Do you often wipe Mr Scorgie’s backside for him?
Mr Goss (23h11)
“And Habbabkuk has tried to steer the topic away from the illegal bombing (again) of Iraq and Syria”
Well, actually, I was responding to you talking about the Falklands so I suppose it was you who was trying to steer away the topic away?
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“No, like all the other imperialists that drove out or enslaved the indigenous population, they did that centuries ago to steal land and resources.”
Interesting. Mr Goss, who were the ‘indigenous population’ of the Falklands when Britain took them over, and what were the resources that the British were trying to steal?
There is truly a ton of shite on this thread. Anyhoo…http://pando.com/2014/09/24/the-war-nerd-bombs-away-in-the-middle-east-but-why-is-israel-so-quiet/
“Bibi Netanyahu is not a shy sort of guy. When he talks like this about a bombing campaign targeting Islamic radicals, something odd is going on.
Israel sent a message about how it views the US campaign against IS without using words at all. On the same day that American forces were attacking IS bases in Syria, Israel shot down a MiG-21 from Assad’s Alawite forces over the Golan Heights. Quite a moment in Middle Eastern military history: While the US was intervening to attack the Sunni jihadis, the IDF underlined its view of the real enemy by knocking down one of Assad’s antique fighters out of the sky.
That ancient MiG wasn’t downed because it was a threat to Israel, or because it was over the line. It was downed as a gesture. Bibi and his Likud allies are sulking, because the way they see it, we’re bombing the wrong Syrians. The Israeli elite has always wanted the US to intervene in the Syrian Civil War—but not against the Sunni jihadists, as we’re doing now. They want American planes and drones to obliterate the other side–the Alawites’ Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and its Hezbollah allies.
Faith No More – We Care A Lot brixton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVi2xf2ip_0
Don’t think Mike got on with the ‘out to save the world’ bit (not his song). Made it sound ironic. Same spirit though.
The topic Habbabkuk is our proposed illegal involvement in the bombing (again) of middle eastern countries. Stay on topic dear. 🙂
If you want to read up about various imperialist ‘conquests’ of South America be my guest. It should keep you quiet for a week or two and bring a little more sanity to the thread.
Welcome ‘New To This’ – It is highly emotional to witness the flood of disasters witnessed in the M.East. Societies plunged into deadly cesspits dangerous to health, to strife, to broken institutions and rape. America and Britain are good at destruction, good at burning children alive which they refer to coldly as ‘collateral damage’ or shields.
Only a connected intention by those like yourself who have gained insight and a broadened awareness can save future generations from totalitarianism.
The enemy aggressor is always pursuing a course of larceny, murder, rapine and barbarism. We are always moving forward with high mission, a destiny imposed by the Deity to regenerate our victims, while incidentally capturing their markets; to civilise savage and senile and paranoid peoples, while blundering accidentally into their oil wells.
http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/41412252
Spitting image, enlightend times.
“The zenith of their arrogance is the fact that they’ve managed to avoid needing a mandate from the U.N. because they’ve been invited into Iraq by the Puppet Government that they set up before they left.
Honestly this is why we need Spitting Image back on our screens, because people are so thick that they need puppets and satire to see what’s really going on.”
Flinryan
25 September 2014 10:17pm
Al Jazeera report. 27 dead civilians including 6 children. No ISIS present.
Local says “the coalition attacks civilians not ISIS. We are against Assad but the Syrian army has never bombed us.”
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/september2014/250914_air_strike.htm
They are doing the same thing in Iraq:
Hezbollah: US Bombing Iraqi Army, Popular Forces’ Positions Not ISIL
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930631000827
The ISIS was trained, paid and armed by Western Special Forces in Jordan and Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel (ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal: http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593 ). American forces set up a base in Jordan in 2009 (two years before the current armed insurgency, and also trained the murderous mercenary thugs in Turkey).
Both the US and Israel have long had a plan to Balkanise Syria, Iraq and Iran.
The US has been invading and destabilising countries for decades with mercenaries (probably longer): think ‘Bay of Pigs’, Contra’s (Nicaragua) and more recently by CANVAS (a so-called ‘Democracy Spreading’ NGO set up by US in Serbia, used in Cuba, Venezuela, the so-called ‘Arab Spring’ countries, and Ukraine. Also Libya (ISIS/Al CIA-dah). The US is the premier ‘Terrorist Nation’, with France, Britain and Israel not too far behind.
People arn’t buying the crap are they. Encoraging in a way. I did a bit last time, I was very ignorent.
This is why they rush, away from democracy.
“No it isn’t. It’s a Nationalist fake. Lies, cheating, theft of Banksy’s work and name,” accuses eagle-eyed Fred Clouseau.
“A pretty obvious one too,” simpers Sherlock Kempe.
‘Ello, ‘ello ‘ello, what’s all this ‘ere then:
@peacewisher
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya v. United States of America got to court, and the US backed off its attack to avoid a judgment.
Aerial Incident – Iran v. United States of America got to court, and the US settled and paid through the nose to avoid a court judgement.
Nicaragua v. United States of America not only got to court but got lobbed into federal court [856 F.2d 929 (D.C. Cir. 1988)], prompting a judicial panic that made the US judiciary a global laughingstock.
And all of these cases created precedents setting more legal traps for the US.
Ishmael; Hagar is calling you to dinner.
Lobby your MPs. Read Paul Barbara’s comment above.
http://act.stopwar.org.uk/lobby/iraq_and_syria
“The zenith of their arrogance is the fact that they’ve managed to avoid needing a mandate from the U.N. because they’ve been invited into Iraq by the Puppet Government that they set up before they left.
Honestly this is why we need Spitting Image back on our screens, because people are so thick that they need puppets and satire to see what’s really going on.”
Except America didn’t win the battle of Iraq, Iran did.
If America engages in the Battle of Syria Iran will win that one too.
Which leaves IS, Iran’s theological foe and political threat, America’s economic threat, Britain, Iran, Syria are now allies. Next week we will be enemies again, that’s how it goes.
Look don’t blame Obama. He was constrained by necessity and force majeure.
http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/09/22/the-secret-services-open-door-policy/
If he didn’t bomb Syria he was going to get chopped up by one of CIA’s lone nuts.
Habbabkuk,
Lols…clearly my point about Choudary’s 5 fingers went over your head-as per.
You talk about Sharia law and limb cutting?
Is that like US/UK’s new bestest war buddy Saudi Arabia beheading people every other week then?
Well,they *appear* to be our new bestest war buddy this week…in this whole shambolic clusterfuck it wouldnt surprise me if ISIS ( or whatever acronym theyre called this week) became our allies next week against …oh who knows??
JFKII; A breath of fresh air. Yes. POTUS has been a figurehead since the National Security Act of 1947. He’s a puppet of the security services who are supposed to serve his office and the People. Thanks to Congress and Truman we are fucked up beyond all recognition.
Even Eisenhower understood this.
Why rush, 137 years.
“‘Ello, ‘ello ‘ello, what’s all this ‘ere then:”
It’s the Scot. Nat. mutual masturbation society losing what little credibility they had left.
“Lobby your MPs. Read Paul Barbara’s comment above.”
With Syria I went off on one to my MP, saying I would support any resistance etc etc. Don’t think I got a reply.
I was meaning morally.
I used the pre filled in form this time. But I question what this is really about now obviously.