Between 4 and 20 August the Saudi Arabian government beheaded 19 people. Saudi Arabia, which has funded and armed ISIS from inception (initially with CIA support), is now bombing alongside the USA in Iraq and Syria.
Forget the war technology porn regularly being broadcast by western media, with those spectacular photos of missiles erupting from ships into the night sky. Those missiles and bombs eviscerate and maim innocents as well as combatants, children as well as terrorists. The West always first denies, then regrets, “collateral damage”. The propaganda can be laughable. During the invasion of Iraq I remember a news propaganda item about how a cruise missile can enter a specific window, being followed by the next item – the US had apologised to Syria for two missiles aimed at Iraq which had hit Syria by accident.
If we can accidentally bomb the Chinese Embassy in Serbia, we can – and do – hit civilian homes near the proposed target. Being eviscerated by a piece of flying shrapnel is no less terrible than being beheaded by a jihadist. Let us not pretend that our violence is somehow nicer. Children will be dying under our bombs soon.
Other than the two extraordinary crazed Nigerians, there have been no recent Islamic motivated terrorist attacks in the UK and even a slowdown in the propaganda of phoney attacks. This was a threat to the major financial interests of the security industry, in both its governmental and private branches.
There can be no greater nonsense than the idea that the Caliphate poses a direct threat to the UK. This is even more crazy than the claim that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the UK. But by seeking to join in the bombing campaign, and initiating a new round of fake “anti-terror” arrests in London, the British government is doing everything it possibly can do to try to provoke terrorist violence on British streets. The interests of the security state are therefore secured. I am longing for somebody to explain to me the precise mechanism by which our bombing Islamic countries helps prevent terrorist incidents in the UK. The way it can provoke such incidents seems to me too obvious to need stating. Indeed it says a great deal for the wisdom and tolerance of Britain’s Muslim communities that it has not provoked more. They could teach government a great deal about the good sense of not resorting to violence to gratify passions and earn short term acclaim.
Like a drug or habit it’s finding ways to say no.
For the third time I was pulled over by the police recently. Walking along a well lit road bold as brass. He gave me some story about looking for someone and wanting to know my name etc, usual guff, never got to asking if I’d seen anything, it’s was late so nobody about. I said what’s your name? Frustrated at the obvious lack of respect.
A few words spoke,(I think I told him whereabouts I lived voluntarily) He ended up saying, ‘Look just tell me your name and can be on my way!’ In an obvious demanding manner. I bent toward him and said no. He looked forward with a slight twitch and drove off..
We have to stop treating stuff that’s not normal as just that. There must be other forms of resistance relivent to this. I was thinking earlier if stopping the traffic is good enough for DPAC.
Anyway it made me feel a dam sight better. I’m normally quite open with the police and other stuff when it seems normal and respectful. But it seems when it’s not just for yourself you should do something. And it’s maybe a kindness to assert the value of citizenship.
Geez, talk about the enemy within.
Peacewisher, you really should read this. It is the best article I have read all year.
http://scgnews.com/the-geopolitics-of-world-war-iii
Ben, once everything has been purloined everywhere, it will be mission achieved and it will not matter that the US is bankrupt. They will just keep every other country subjugated with their countries debts to Uncle Sam. That’s the plan anyway. Of course it is unlikely to happen because one day other countries are going to have to get together and do what they did to Hitler (who also wanted to dominate the world). Of course, if their wars go nuclear who will want to be around after that? They are of course mad and anything could happen.
Nick Robinson, today: “The prime minister said he would not extend “pre-meditated” military action in Syria without a Commons vote but added that he reserved the right to act if there was an urgent humanitarian need to do so.
“This will fuel the fears of some MPs that he will look for an excuse to extend action without first seeking the agreement of the Commons.
It is worth remembering that military action in Libya began before a Commons vote because there was said to be an imminent threat of large scale loss of life in Benghazi.”
There’s hope for us yet — even Nick Robinson can see the ulterior motive in this guff !
I recently saw a story on online gambling which the authorities are very concerned about. They stat Fantasy football players and teams.
The sites get a 10% commission on bets. Some make as much as several hundred thousand per year gambling on the 400 million dollar business.
The reporter was dumbfounded as one player described himself as a Day-Trader and then proceeded to outline how his business was no different from Wall Street. He made a pretty good case for it and the reporter even started seeing it.
I wonder why someone didn’t try to rebut his assertion… 🙂
Mr Goss
“Read up about the imperialist mistreatment of the indigenous populations of South America by various Empires..”
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And the hole gets deeper by the hour……
As far as I’m aware, South America was colonized by the Spanish and Portuguese.
Why, then, did you go off-topic by talking about the Falklands and Mrs Thatcher…and then deviating onto South African nuclear weapons?
It was because you could not resist taking a cheap and urrelevant swipe at the UK and the Falklands when this thread is supposed to be about the impending military action in Iraq – as you yourself continually emphasise.
You do yourself and your credibility no good by persisting on this silly track.
“You do yourself and your credibility no good by persisting”
vampires stay away from mirrors and refuse to have one even for shaving or applying make-up.
Habbabkuk will not be happy until he has diverted the topic. Ignore.
Mr Goss
“By the way my mention of the Falkland war was just to point out how it worked wonders for Thatcher’s flagging popularity.”
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You don’t know when to leave well alone, do you, John.
Firstly, to claim that Mrs Thatcher got re-elected because of the Falklands factor is supposition, for which you can provide no solid evidence.
And before you say “ah, but all the polls were predicting a Labour win”, let me point out that the polls were saying the same thing in 1992….and John Major won. Without any “Falklands factor”.
Secondly, even if you were right and the Falklands were a vote winner: by which reasoning do you arrive at the conclusion that renewed military action in Irak today would be a vote winner in next years general election, given that I understand that the two previous Irak wars were rather unpopular with the British public and became even more unpopular as time went by?
I really do think that as well as being unwilling to man up you’re losing the plot.
And we were all told this by the website of “Project for a New American Century”, which according to Wikipedia was dissolved in 2006. I wonder what they call it now?
AEI is pretty well up there with PNAC, Peacewisher –
http://www.aei.org/scholar/richard-perle-1/
Some very familiar faces, and not exactly hooching with Muslims, if you get my drift. Though the neocon network has rather outgrown its original homes. Example only:
http://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Move-Over-Koch-Brothers-A-Bigger-Darker-Rightwing-Funder-Is-Out/td-p/70573
” Well if it’s beheadings that offend your decency then presumably you advocate attacking Saudi Arabia. If protecting girls from rape is your thing then surely you want to invade India. ”
Whilst any form of capital punishment is abhorrent at least those executed in Saudi Arabia get some form of trial and rape victims in India also have recourse to the law. Actually the incidence of rape in India is quite low, 2.0 per 100,000 compared to 24.1 per 100,000 in the UK. The conviction rate is much higher too. It’s just the media attention surrounding a handful of high profile cases that has made it appear that India has a serious problem.
The focus of this thread has been the small number of westerners murdered by ISIL, no mention of the tens of thousands of Iraqis and Syrians who have been murdered or the hundreds of thousands driven from their homes. Do their lives not matter? Or only when they’re killed by Americans?
A report from your very on Press TV:-
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/02/377406/isil-commits-ethnic-cleansing-in-iraq/
“Habbabkuk will not be happy until he has diverted the topic. Ignore.”
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Look Mr Goss – all you have to do is to man up and say something along the lines of “I recognise that I should not have thrown the Falklands into this thread, which is about the Middle East and possible military action there, and that doing so was silly on my part” and we can all move on.
How about it, Mr Goss?
Bit more on Bradley:
Bradley has supported and in some cases, had to defend controversial right-wing recipients of their grants, particularly Charles Murray and Dinesh D’Souza.
Charles Murray – Murray, author of “The Bell Curve,” which argues that intelligence is predicated on race, and “Losing Ground,” whose thesis is that social programs should be abolished. Murray’s work was so controversial and objectionable that the right-wing Manhattan Institute, supported by Bradley and for which he worked, asked him to leave. However, the Bradley Foundation stood by him because Murray, according to former Bradley President Michael Joyce, “is one of the foremost social thinkers in the country.” Bradley extended Murray’s $100,000 per year grant when he went to the American Enterprise Institute.
Dinesh D’Souza – D’Souza, in his book, “The End of Racism,” attempts to absolve Whites from discrimination against Blacks during slavery, claiming that Blacks were too uncivilized to be a part of society anyway.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/lynde-and-harry-bradley-foundation
There’s plenty of these outfits, some of them very rich indeed, and enthusiastically backed by global megacorps as well as domestic sharks.
Fuck off and die retard, you don’t know shit.
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Now, now now Fred, your unionist Orange Order bigoted mask is beginning to slip, the George Square Britnats would be proud of you. God save the Queen, Rule Britannia and all that shit, moron.
I see Westminster is on the verge of granting fracking licences to frack under your home, whether you like it or not. Scots complaining about it on a radio Scotland politics show, well all I can say to them is tough shit 55% of you voted to let Westminster, screw you over, so if you voted no don’t bitch about what Westminster, has in store for you.
Apparently house prices plunge in areas where fracking occurs, Sir Ian Wood’s fracking company is coming to an area near you soon.
Is Habba being obnoxious again? He will be interested to note that a possible acquaintance of his has been appointed to the board of trustees of the Lord Slynn of Hadley European Law Foundation. While not visibly funded by the Koch Bros, it’s intended to make life handier for globalisers in regions still nationalistically practising their own primitive legal systems.
http://charlescrawford.biz/2011/03/09/lord-slynn-foundation-belgrade/
Look Mr Goss – all you have to do is to man up
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HABB the TORTURER
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You asking someone to man up leaves me with a mental image of Michael Gove, acting like a tough guy, funny as f*ck.
RepublicOfPerspiringLongings
“HABB the TORTURER”
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Ah ha, you’ve found the counter-point for “Republicofscotland the Holocaust denier”, have you?
Took you a long time, didn’t it, and even then you had to “borrow” it from Monseigneur Goss… 🙂
George Galloway riding the rail between war and peace:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/26/galloway-iraq-war-debate_n_5887298.html
action in Irak today would be a vote winner in next years general election, given that I understand that the two previous Irak wars were rather
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HABB the TORTURER
For goodness sake its IRAQ not IRAK, now you’re torturing the words as well. How does it feel to be chided for petty spelling mistakes (Don’t like it) TOUGH SHIT!
Act your age in future and don’t do it to others.
The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).
Snowden said intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.
According to documents released by Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. (Gulf News, July 15, 2014)
Let us be under no illusions, the Islamic State is a CIA-Mossad creation. It is an intelligence asset.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09/isis-israeli-secret-intelligence-service/
John Goss 3.38 pm
“Peacewisher, you really should read this. It is the best article I have read all year.
http://scgnews.com/the-geopolitics-of-world-war-iii ”
You are correct there John. By far the clearest piece that I’ve read all year about the current geopolitical situation. Everybody should read this, but of course most won’t
Thank you
On Thursday the Vice President of the Saladin Provincial Council, Jassim Mohammed Hassan al-Attiyah, revealed that there are dozens of American military advisers at Speicher Base and that 13,000 additional American soldiers and their military vehicles will arrive during the next few days to the base in the city of Tikrit, located 140 kilometers (87 miles) northwest of the capital, Baghdad.
Al-Attiyah said that the American military command chose to station personnel in Speicher Base because it is the largest military bases in Iraq, noting that there are dozens of American military advisers at the base that coordinate and supervise military battles.
Al-Attiyah added that 13,000 American soldiers will arrive with their vehicles during the next few days to Speicher Base in order to supervise and participate in the liberation of Saladin province.
It looks like “Boots on the ground” in Iraq has already been implimented.
The United States has excelled as the Master of War. It has fine tuned military interventions, covert operations, coups and attempted coups, regime change and, most recently, colour revolutions.
It has intervened, directly and indirectly, in dozens of countries, including the Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Rep. Congo (Zaire), Brazil, Greece, Russia, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East Timor, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Honduras, Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, and elsewhere.
The CIA, the enforcer of the financial class, has assassinated or attempted to assassinate 50 or more political leaders.
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The head of the “Axis of Evil” Washington has form when it comes to mass murder, under the guise of democracy and freedom
So they’re off to war the House of Commons voted thus.
YES 524
NO 43
MAJORITY 481
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God help those poor innocent civilians in Iraq and Syria.
NOT IN MY NAME.
I wonder how Fred feels about his beloved British State going to war? The SNP, who he hates, voted against war, but was obviously outvoted by Freds mates.. Will Fred now support his British Nationalists in their time of need?
Are the SNP fascists for not joining in with the BritNats?
“Dreoilin we had a polite blog, apart from the trolls, the last time you took a break. I won’t say welcome back because of the despicable way you have treated Mary.”
We had a polite blog long before you got here, John.
I treat Mary much the same way she treats me. If you don’t agree, post your examples please. No I don’t treat her like Lady Muck, as some others do. So what?
“Don’t think I am going to fall for that kind of nonsense myself.”
I’m not falling for your nonsense John. You think you employed some fancy footwork? No, you were like a duck waddling sideways around a corner, trying to escape your own folly. You’ll keep blathering on about the “topic” that you diverted, and blaming others for it. Ad nauseam. I have never respected that kind of hypocrisy, and I’m not likely to start now.
So either put up (‘man up’) or shut up, would you.
I don’t have time for you.
“@Dreolin:
It’s also on youtube”
Thanks, Peacewisher. I might watch it after midnight when tomorrow’s allowance has kicked in.
Cameron has an intellect rivalled only by garden tools. I find myself picturing others laughing at him behind their hands when he goes to the EU or the UN.
And so it’s trebles all round on a Friday night for all the arms dealers after that little vote.
Hey…they might even fling their coke dealers,whores and rent boys an extra tenner in their joy.
Remember Milo Minderbinder in Catch=22?
He drew up a contract with the Germans and bombed his own airfield and squadron because it was more profitable for The Syndicate.
We are seriously through the looking glass now.
Very sneaky of Cameron to say he was asking permission re Iraq (the easy one, for most MPs thinking fighting terrorists always sounds good), but giving himself permission to sidestep into Iraq if x, y, or z happens).
As someone said earlier… even Nick Robinson was uneasy about that. But whatever… we’re with the yanks, we can do what we want. Sickening!
About time Russia said [cos no-one else is capable of saying it – yes that gives Putin a hell of a responsibility, but he bears it well, usually…] now look here you bully, this is sovereign territory! Work with the elected government to expel ISIS. That is the obvious common sense option, but the fog and mirrors, and months and months of vilifying Russia has already had its effect on UK (and US?) public opinion.