Between 4 and 20 August the Saudi Arabian government beheaded 19 people. Saudi Arabia, which has funded and armed ISIS from inception (initially with CIA support), is now bombing alongside the USA in Iraq and Syria.
Forget the war technology porn regularly being broadcast by western media, with those spectacular photos of missiles erupting from ships into the night sky. Those missiles and bombs eviscerate and maim innocents as well as combatants, children as well as terrorists. The West always first denies, then regrets, “collateral damage”. The propaganda can be laughable. During the invasion of Iraq I remember a news propaganda item about how a cruise missile can enter a specific window, being followed by the next item – the US had apologised to Syria for two missiles aimed at Iraq which had hit Syria by accident.
If we can accidentally bomb the Chinese Embassy in Serbia, we can – and do – hit civilian homes near the proposed target. Being eviscerated by a piece of flying shrapnel is no less terrible than being beheaded by a jihadist. Let us not pretend that our violence is somehow nicer. Children will be dying under our bombs soon.
Other than the two extraordinary crazed Nigerians, there have been no recent Islamic motivated terrorist attacks in the UK and even a slowdown in the propaganda of phoney attacks. This was a threat to the major financial interests of the security industry, in both its governmental and private branches.
There can be no greater nonsense than the idea that the Caliphate poses a direct threat to the UK. This is even more crazy than the claim that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the UK. But by seeking to join in the bombing campaign, and initiating a new round of fake “anti-terror” arrests in London, the British government is doing everything it possibly can do to try to provoke terrorist violence on British streets. The interests of the security state are therefore secured. I am longing for somebody to explain to me the precise mechanism by which our bombing Islamic countries helps prevent terrorist incidents in the UK. The way it can provoke such incidents seems to me too obvious to need stating. Indeed it says a great deal for the wisdom and tolerance of Britain’s Muslim communities that it has not provoked more. They could teach government a great deal about the good sense of not resorting to violence to gratify passions and earn short term acclaim.
@Jives… these are just business people; its the masters of war and politics who’d do that!
Surprised not more of a fuss about Lady Wolff. Oh yes… the British public have forgotten about institutionalised child abuse already.
Thanks, Habby…
I went to double-check my facts on David Owen, and found out that soon after that episode he was welcomed into the Bilderberg group, and made a stonking speech that got sanctions against Argentina… so he obviously atoned for his “gaff”.
Fascinating article from when the Guardian was a newspaper:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/mar/10/extract1
Surprising that Denis Healey is so open about things in this 2001 article.
“I wonder how Fred feels about his beloved British State going to war? The SNP, who he hates, voted against war, but was obviously outvoted by Freds mates.. Will Fred now support his British Nationalists in their time of need?”
Didn’t I make myself clear earlier? I think we all ow it to the religious and ethnic minorities in Iraq and Syria to give them protection.
Let’s face it, IS are an outside group not from there or anywhere really, some of them are from Britain some from Afghanistan but they have created a nation around their beliefs, they have gone to Iraq to create a state and they have pushed the indigenous people, the people who’s forefathers worked that land for generations, out to do it.
Personally I am very much against dispersed groups of people united by extreme religious beliefs pushing indigenous Arabs out of their homeland to create a state for themselves. Obviously you are not.
“Now, now now Fred, your unionist Orange Order bigoted mask is beginning to slip, the George Square Britnats would be proud of you. God save the Queen, Rule Britannia and all that shit, moron.”
At least I know a fake Banksy when I see one.
Retard.
“John was a shop steward for a Union.”
I feel a song coming on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs
Fred said, “Didn’t I make myself clear earlier? I think we all ow it to the religious and ethnic minorities in Iraq and Syria to give them protection.”
I agree, the west should protect folk in the middle east by not bombing them.
Some people would seem to prefer the good old days of dark satanic mills.
Curious.
MPs who voted against the bombing. 43 in total. All of one LibDem.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/iraq-vote-43-rebel-mps
“I agree, the west should protect folk in the middle east by not bombing them.”
I don’t think there are many of the indigenous people of the region left to bomb are there? I thought they had either fled or been murdered to make room for your new Islamic State.
Yes yes…lets all go back to the good old days of children working in mills for 18 hours a day and forelock tugging at our betters.
@Fred: OK with Iraq, just about… Regarding Syria, isn’t it up to the Syrian government to do that, and if they are overstretched for us to offer humanitarian support first, and military support as well if they request it? That is the UN way of doing things. Of course if ISIS are there as part of a strategy to destabilise the Syrian government that is beyond shameful. What would be your view on that?
Whoops..there it is.
http://rt.com/uk/190844-parliament-vote-airstrikes-iraq/
43 mP’s voted no. It reminds me of the overwhelming yes vote in Congress wrt Iraq. Complete failure.
“After a thousand years of rape and murder…Scotland is yours no more” OWTTE.
WW-
For the MPs in Westminster, the vote today is more important than the lives of thousands of brown people in a foreign land – they are also auditioning for advancement in their political careers. Now is an opportunity to flaunt their loyalty, show they can be trusted not to rock the boat, demonstrate to the men in grey suits that they understand the underlying narrative. The lucky ones will be called by the Speaker to stand up in front of their fellows and the TV cameras to wring their hands in anguish and weep crocodile tears for showcase victims of obscene scripted violence. If they can get a sound bite onto the 6 o’clock news, hurrah, another rung on the ladder to the cabinet, pop the champers in the member’s bar.
Just another day in Westminster, filtering lobby fodder for psychopaths to promote.
http://rt.com/news/190760-australia-spy-laws-freedom/
What happened to this New Elba where convicts and dissidents were exiled?
And I keep hearing from official spokespersons “We will not be afraid or intimidated……” Ironic words. Dishonest even.
” OK with Iraq, just about… Regarding Syria, isn’t it up to the Syrian government to do that, and if they are overstretched for us to offer humanitarian support first, and military support as well if they request it? ”
That land belongs to the people who’s forefathers have lived there and worked the land for generations. If they ask us for help we should help them, sod Syria and sod Assad. Syria is not Kurdistan and Assad is not a Kurd.
Didn’t I make myself clear earlier? I think we all ow it to the religious and ethnic minorities in Iraq and Syria to give them protection.
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You deluded fool, you don’t actually think for one second the bombing of Iraq “AGAIN” is in aid of protecting ethnic minorites, then again you are an Orange Order Rule Britannia Britnat, funny how you can spot a fake Banksy yet you can’t spot a fake Westminster, God save the Queen and all that shit, what a joke.
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” a poll conducted for The Sun newspaper, published on Friday, revealed that 57 percent of surveyed UK residents said they supported bombing ISIS in Iraq, compared to 24 percent who were against the move.”
Hey, that’s democracy (lower-case c) for you. The tyranny of the majority.
“The majority is always wrong; the minority is rarely right.”
Henrik Ibsen
RoS
With the best will in the world there is no way to have a discussion with a cretinous retard like you.
So just fuck off and die.
Understand? I’m not even going to attempt conversation with a holocaust denying Neo Nazi thug.
Were your parents close relatives or something?
Ok, Fred. Do you want to see a caliphate of the Kurdish people, called Kurdistan, that straddles, Syria, Iraq, and Turkey? It appears that Turkey would have no part of that; why not send the bombers into Turkey as well? Sod Erdogan as well? What’s the difference?
And is that the real reason we are bombing? I thought it was about destroying ISIS. Or do ISIS want to liquidate the Kurds and then set up their caliphate? All very confusing to me. Been going on since June and I’m still none the wiser.
With the best will in the world there is no way to have a discussion with a cretinous retard like you.
So just fuck off and die.
Understand? I’m not even going to attempt conversation with a holocaust denying Neo Nazi thug.
Were your parents close relatives or something?
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FRED
My dear deluded Fred, you better watch you don’t get your blood pressure up, or your Orange Sash may fall off and get dirty, and we wouldn’t want that now would we, sit down with your flute in one hand and your picture of the Queen in the other, and play Rule Britannia, whilst looking into the Queens eyes, you silly wee Britnat boy.
@Ben: public opposition to war was the big problem for Cameron. After all these months softening up, people are so frightened the they are probably having nightmares about beheadings. Many will (and are…) blessing the kill, kill, kill option. But remember that is just in the territory of Iraq.
92% of Westminster MPs have voted for something 100% of them havent a fuckin clue about what it’s all about.
The Roll Call of honour of the 43 (plus two tellers) who voted NO in the debate on bombing Iraq again:
Abbott, Ms Diane Lab Ali, Rushanara Lab Allen, Mr Graham Lab Bacon, Mr Richard Con Baron, Mr John Con Begg, Dame Anne Lab Campbell, Mr Ronnie Lab Caton, Martin Lab Clark, Katy Lab Davidson, Mr Ian Lab/Coop Durkan, Mark SDLP
Edwards, Jonathan PlC Flynn, Paul Lab
Galloway, George Respect Henderson, Gordon Con
Hepburn, Mr Stephen Lab Hoey, Kate Lab Holloway, Mr Adam Con
Hopkins, Kelvin Lab Hosie, Stewart SNP
Huppert, Dr Julian LibDem James, Mrs Siân C.Lab
Lazarowicz, Mark Lab/Coop Lucas, Caroline Green
MacNeil, Mr Angus Brendan SNP McDonnell, Dr Alasdair SDLP
McDonnell, John Lab McKenzie, Mr Iain Lab Mills, Nigel Con Mitchell, Austin Lab Morris, Grahame M. (Easington) Lab
Mudie, Mr George Lab Reckless, Mark Con
Riordan, Mrs Linda Lab/Coop Ritchie, Ms Margaret SDLP Robertson, Angus SNP Sheerman, Mr Barry Lab
Skinner, Mr Dennis Lab Stringer, Graham Lab Weir, Mr Mike SNP Whiteford, Dr Eilidh SNP Williams, Hywel PlC Wood, Mike Lab
Tellers for the Noes: Jeremy Corbyn Lab and Pete Wishart SNP
Those whose MPs voted “No” might like to thank them. Particular praise for the seven rebels, six Conservative and one LibDem.
Understand? I’m not even going to attempt conversation with a holocaust denying Neo Nazi thug.
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FRED
I think you’ll find FRED that the BNF EDL, UKIP, are all Neo Nazi inclined, and what do they all have in common like you they’re all die-hard Britnat tossers, so you see Fred if anyone’s an Neo Nazi its you, as I said Fred you’re totally deluded.
I should have said, praise especially for the seven coalition rebels.
Peacewisher
“I went to double-check my facts on David Owen, and found out that soon after that episode he was welcomed into the Bilderberg group, and made a stonking speech that got sanctions against Argentina…”
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Now don’t go all John Goss on us, pleeeeez, Peacewisher!
Despite my considerable expertise, I was unaware that the Bilderberg group had the capacity to impose sanctions; I had naîvely believed that sanctions were the prerogative either of the UN or of nation states individually or in combination.
Perhaps you could tell me which sanctions you were referring to?
“@Ben: public opposition to war was the big problem for Cameron.”
I don’t see that problem. But a message from V had some words for the Phear.
“Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.”