The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
Is independence really the only absolute? How about the F word? It works, let’s at least look seriously into it. A collective foreign policy, a percentage for federal tax –interstate roads etc, internatinal waters federal, fishing? Post? Federal? Everything else? The domain of the constituent political units.
“5) The baby-boomer generation are a drag on progress. Scared for their pensions, living in the past, with credulous faith in the mainstream media and especially the sacred cow of the BBC. Progress will only become possible as they die off.”
I heard a rumor that pension checks were delayed. Have you any info?
Whoa. Typo City. It’s been a long day, not that any length of time should be an excuse, so, apologies.
Everyone, sign this petition to get a recount, Alex Salmond has sanctioned it,due to irregularities, **SIGN IT NOW*
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69707
Salmonds replacement… http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-odds-on-favourite-replace-4289526
I don’t understand why he resigned. A gender strategy for Devo-Max?
Lets face it, there wasnt enough spiritual critical mass to break free from the grip of the false flagging Beast. The latter day Parcel of Rogues beholden to Westminster largesse saw to it, AND ALL PAID FOR BY BLACK SCOTS GOLD anyways. Thats what should hurt the most, a captive vote to keep the natives down paid for by £2 TRILLION N Sea oil so far and counting, belonging to the self-same brave…..
“Duplicitous bastards that they are.”
The establishment I mean, just in case it was unclear.
Ps, I agree Mary, Alex Salmond must be drained. With the torrent of vicious attacks also, it must be something to face.
I don’t know where people get off with there ongoing personnel hatred. If you ask me they are the biggest bunch of losers going. Projecting there own imagine onto others. It’s so clearly so.
Shuffling a hot deck…..poker or baccarat?
http://gfycat.com/TinyAffectionateAsianwaterbuffalo
Uzbek in the UK, you seem to be driven entirely by profit. Those who only know basic accountancy and economics know that for somebody to make a profit somebody else has to lose out. It is never the bankers, even when they screw up. You have come from a former Soviet satellite country, and seen the west as a great doer of good, and no doubt become wealthy in a system where greed is the yardstick. The poor are the ones who lose out while bankers get bonuses even when they bring a country to its knees. Furthermore they do not pay their debts. For the first time in its history the IMF has lent money to a country (Ukraine) in the middle of a civil war. The financial system is so fucked up it has no chance of recovery. The US cannot pay its national debt. I’m sorry but your political philosophy is as transparent as the Emperor’s New Clothes.
Republicofscotland,
If the postal votes were manipulated i.e. Nos switched for Yes votes then a recount would be useless unless the postal votes can be distinguished from the polling station ones.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2761637/Prince-Charles-penchant-tea-hot-water.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
O/T
Seems like Scotland’s next possible Monarch suffers from that well know family problem of keeping his ‘ trousers up ‘ .
Well, I thought you guys achieved wonders – and the photography (including sound) was outstanding.
But is Craig O.K?
Did he really write this and mean it “which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU” ?
Is he about to come out as a Truther?
Give the man a hug.
Tony
Ruth 19 Sep, 2014 – 5:56 pm
“If the postal votes were manipulated i.e. Nos switched for Yes votes then a recount would be useless unless the postal votes can be distinguished from the polling station ones.”
It would be easy to check whether the postal ballots had been interfered with:
Looking at the detailed results, the 25% “couldn’t be bothered to vote/didn’t think it’d make any difference” in Glasgow is very suspicious, given the massive turn against Labour that was observed at street level in working class areas.
From what the radio’s now saying, Cameron will now deal with the “West Lothian Question,” take Scots MPs out of Westminster in exchange for giving Scottish parliament more powers over anything he doesn’t much care about.
I predict that Sir John Kerr’s Bilderberger pals will also see to it that all the oil is pumped out of the North Sea fields before the next referendum.
I thought we had a mandate for independence as a result of electing with a massive majority, an SNP government -its sole reason for existence, independence, was surely explicit and could not have escaped the millions who voted for them. Quite why and by whom it was decided to have a referendum, when the SNP government’s only concern should have been to deliver independence forthwith, and then depart the stage, is imponderable. A unilateral declaration of independence when elected should have been the policy, made absolutely clear before voting for them, many assumed independence would have been automatic. An election on those terms that returns an SNP majority, with Alex Salmond as possibly as first fixed-term head-of-state and Sturgeon or whoever might challenge as First Minister. Incidentally, there is again no Scottish government any more, it is something even less than the pathetic ‘Scottish Executive’ make-believe nothing which New Labour labelled it.
This then was more than a failure, it was a betrayal, for which the SNP might have set us up to fail. It means no more further and higher education fees, tuition fees, early childcare, universal free school meals, free prescriptions, elderly care, no more bus-passes and no more NHS being the consequences. The Tory and Liberal coalition Scottish Borders Council have already reduced the school week to four and half days.
You don’t truly succeed by abandoning principles, the answer is to become more radical, no more monarchy, our own currency, no more nuclear weapons parked near our biggest population centre, making it both a prime target, the people of the west of Scotland and of Glasgow, no more than unwilling human shields against nuclear retribution resulting from Westminster and the City of London, war-lust. We’d be better well out of NATO which is operating beyond the bounds of sane reason, and without the sickly ‘special relationship’, instead a publicly funded NHS, an oil fund, nationalisation of the means of production and distribution, of public exploitment. Many of which were once the ideals the whole of these islands shared.
The rest of the SNP, should pull this sham emasculated pretendy parliament down with them, force a full Scottish parliamentary election and stand on those clear terms. If returned again with a clear majority then independence must follow without further delay. Go down fighting, or curl up and die.
The backlash and the blowback of this morning’s events, the uncertainty, the volatility which are growing to unmanageable proportions, will soon trigger a collapse of the pound, the country is a tinderbox, waiting for a spark, and a vast majority have absolutely nothing more to lose. This is the economic and political elite’s ultimate defeat, offered and peaceful, amicable collaborative disentanglement of our affairs, they chose instead to be underhand, crooked as they are no more than a criminal gang, a mafia, instead of losing a little of what they had, the whole establishment has decided on losing their heads instead. While the private police stand guard permanently round the obvious places like the BBC’s PQ aquarium, the coming revolution, will be somewhere less symbolic, but more effective and devastating to the remote powers.
Finishing, not starting with the Queen and her ministers, giving them the time to flee.
Looking at the referendum at face value, the independence attempt failed. Looking at the bigger picture, that was the intended outcome – everything else was illusion. Now is the time to investigate why it was set up to fail and whether those leading the campaign were duped to the same degree as those who thought their time had come.
What has been left is, essentially, a one-party system from which the charismatic leader has decided to bail out. My view is that this could be a case of ‘job done’. Now look into the System to find out how it works, otherwise all good intentions will fail.
I came across this while trying to remember a quote I read a year or so ago:
http://illuminati-news.com/quotes.htm
You may not like the site but the quote content seems to be entirely plausible. For example:
“It doesn’t matter who the people voted for; they always vote for us.” – attributed to Josef Stalin.
“It’s not the votes that count, it’s who counts the votes.” – attributed to Joseph Stalin.
“ The world is governed by personalities very different to what people that cannot see further than their eyes believe.” – attributed to Benjamin Disreali.
“.. in politics nothing is accidental. If something happens, be assured it was planned that way.” – attributed to Franklin D. Roosevelt.
There are many others. Once the way the System works is understood by the majority, it will be much easier to overcome it.
I don’t understand why he resigned. A gender strategy for Devo-Max?
Not sure I understand either, but it would be in character to draw a line under this one and leave the field to younger people, at a time which will allow them to get the necessary experience. He’s going to be pretty old to fight a referendum in 10-20 years’ time (if we’re lucky) against a renewed establishment. Meanwhile, the SNP wpuld be best getting used to functioning within Westminster, or maybe within a new and unfamiliar context intended to satisfy English devolution demands. And he’s still going to be around as an MSP elder statesman. Gracefully done.I think he’s right, though his leadership will be sorely missed. All change. Thanks, Alex.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/14/ttip-deal-british-sovereignty-cameron-ukip-treaty
Despite the debate and media frenzy over the question of Scottish Independence , does not the TTIP Deal and its implications on ‘ Sovereignty ‘ make all the debate superfluous ?
Thanks for the reminder, General. Timely. TTIP is the embodiment of sleazy globalisation at the expense of human beings and communities.
Worthwhile focal point, Craig?
@Tony_0pmoc- the latest conspiracy theory debunkable by anon,is that “pull” larry gave such a powerful nuclear fart that 60 stories of WTC1 (that did not end up at the base) were turned into dust clouds and rivers of molten metal. Larry himself swears it were the curried matzo balls he scoffed the night before wot caused it. One thing is for sure, the kerosene from a 757 could only have provided enough energy to turn just a ONE YARD length of a WTC steel girder into molten metal.
“Does not the TTIP Deal and its implications on ‘ Sovereignty ‘ make all the debate superfluous?”
In theory Yes. In practice No.
This was a battle of minds. Professional mind benders vs Amateur Truth Tellers..
The Pro’s started off 4-1 ahead and won the game 4-3.
Their mind bending was awesome – but the Youth Don’t Watch The Telly.
“Thinking is Hard. Just Vote No.”
http://www.sott.net/image/s10/206855/medium/thinking_is_hard_scotland_refe.jpg
Tony
Interesting had this e-mailed to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg#t=160
Just Saying,
My mind is still open. To be honest I was impressed when Professor Steven Jones came out (several years after me), and got fired…But I didn’t actually do a lot of “nuke stuff” at University…and I kind of trusted him – cos to do that took tremendous courage…
Of course I looked at some of the wasted cars…and the enormous white hot hole in the ground…which took months to dampen…but I thought nah…they can’t make nukes that small…and they would never nuke New York…
However…if they can make nukes that small…it means that controlled fusion power might actually work..If the Psycho’s weren’t in control of it.
This means that if we survive…the human race can stop wasting the planet.
Tony
Why all the fuss about Scotch “independence” (aka incorporation into the EU superstate)?
What about independence for Yorkshire, for the West Midlands, for the South West of England. All have similar or larger populations to Scotland and cultures as distinctive.
Actually, no one has the slightest idea. Nor could any of the fanatical participants in the referendum on either side tell you what constitutes the ideal form, size, and constitution for a nation state.
Well here’s a suggestion. The ideal size for a nation state is sufficient to defend itself from subjugation by any means, military, economic or through mass uncontrolled immigration. Judged on that basis, Scotland is too small, but the United Kingdom, outside the EU and NATO, is large enough. So the objective for the UK should be devolution of powers to reflect regional differences in economic characteristics, culture, physical resources, etc. and to allow scope for creative innovation in government.
“Interesting had this e-mailed to me.”
Yeh yeh people have been posting that here all day.
It was a load of crap then and it’s a load of crap now. Even the SNP observers had to say it’s a load of crap.
But never mind. If you have any evidence whatsoever that electoral fraud has been committed then take it immediately to the Electoral Commission or the police so it can be properly investigated. That makes sense doesn’t it?
I can offer an explanation for the betting patterns. Some of you may not like it.
The propaganda was targeted at the facebook generation through celebraties, and Pensioners through the newspapers and the BBC. Why not 16-17 year olds… well they are “post-facebook”. There is no way most pensioners will ever believe the BBC tells lies, and most of that generation unfortunately don’t use the Internet effectively.
LOL… Voting patterns!
Well here’s a suggestion. The ideal size for a nation state is sufficient to defend itself from subjugation by any means, military, economic or through mass uncontrolled immigration. Judged on that basis, Scotland is too small, but the United Kingdom, outside the EU and NATO, is large enough. So the objective for the UK should be devolution of powers to reflect regional differences in economic characteristics, culture, physical resources, etc. and to allow scope for creative innovation in government.
It’s a starting point. I’d like to see more self-sufficiency in consumables / less rampant consumerism as a condition, and withdrawal from the EU (which would then be theoretically irrelevant to our needs) as a corollary. But that will be shot down as ‘little Britainism’ by the advocates of global homogenisation, won’t it?
George Square Glasgow right now full of unionist Orange Order folk singing sectarian songs and goading YES voters, police in attendance, the unionist knuckle draggers itching for a fight.
Fred; How is it the bookies (Bankers?) were so precise in their odds? Insider info?
“Put a quid on ‘confused’ in the second race. She can’t lose. She’s a mudder”