The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
Ben,
I am a bit thick…I never even thought of that…
What a way to fix it???
I wonder how much the counter’s got bribed..and how many there were of them…
Will The Scottish Jails be Filled With Bent Vote Counters??
They probably thought about it…what switching boxes…they are all going to be looking for that…
Nah just bribe the counters > They will do it for £10K a head..it’ll cost fuck all – and it will work…no one will have a camera in there – except The BBC, ITV and SKY…
Murdoch wtf are you playing at??? That bit was not supposed to be broadcast live.
Tony
Oh we have Vegas and off-track betting, but there’s an underworld needing no license, fred.
I think I would trust the underworld more so than official gambling when it comes to cooking the odds. The only way to lose your liberty with the criminals is to welch on your bet.
“I remember the movie Grifters. The plot was based on experiences of con-men.”
Look just forget it. I made the mistake of thinking you were asking a question in good faith. I was wrong. I’m not into playing your silly games.
Craig was right in predicting Terror alerts. Australian PM delivered on cue with threats of ordinary citizens being de-capitated in the quiet suburbs of that country.
Baa! Humbug thinks or hopes Craig will come back to his FOC senses after letting off steam in Scotland for a while. No. Craig divorced the FOC when he realised that they didn’t get the moral issue of torture. Torture is something only nasty foreigners ever do.
If someone doesn’t get the concept of false flag by the time they get to be an OAP, they’re not likely to ever get it. Truly a lost political generation who were trained to believe that Fascism is something only nasty foreigners ever do.
Are you saying that Salmond was paid to take a dive? One of the few sensible explanations for why all those SNP observers actually at the count might not have complained
and I hope that those opportunists asking for same will be told, politely but firmly, to fuck off.
An invitation I also extend to you right now.
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Come 2017 and the EU in-out Referendum Scots will be so disillusioned by Westminster and their broken promises, that a referendum will be the order of the day. Even the spineless no voters will be chomping at the bit for a chance to redeem their souls.
One thing is constant in this universe, (No not gravity) its that Westminster will like you, eternally *fuck up* and the EU in-out ref is only 3 years away.
Here we have pollsters, experts at divining the vote. Their raison d’etre is numbers. If they can blow it so badly in 2011 and 2014, who needs ’em.
Choose a candidate with sufficient financials; ignore the polls and bet on your own prediction. The odds will tell you more accurately where to spend your campaign dollars. WIN!
@ habbabkuk.
“That someone else perhaps being Alec Salmond….8
Remember John Major’s brief resignation. :)”
Like to bet? You obviously dont have a clue about Scottish politics,or maybe you just dont have a clue.
So why dont you fuck off?
To Craig. Lovely to have you in Alloa.
We now look forward to witness the scramble to see which UK party offers the least possible transfer of power to the ‘regions’
” I made the mistake of thinking you were asking a question in good faith”
I was asking in good faith and got what I deserved.
Australia has been a US lapdog for ages… remember they brought back the draft to help the war effort in Vietnam. And it seems that Harold Wilson was the last of the resistance in the UK.
If we are going off-topic, it seems that Donbass separatist prisoners were tortured by having swastikas burned into their flesh:
https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/513030213442490369
Murdoch Smiled at Blair…You shouldn’t have Fucked My Wife..I thought you were Gay.
I can’t really comment right now; I’ve been too emotional all day.
Well done and Best wishes to everyone who contributed to the Yes campaign.
Join the SNP and make them a million member party,it only cost a £1 a month.
https://my.snp.org/join
Fred
““Is this election fraud, many seem to think so, managers stuffing, boxes.”
For fucks sake how many more times. If you think you have any evidence of election fraud then go to the police with it so they can investigate.”
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Fred, you know as well as I do that he has no evidence and doesn’t even believe what he’s saying himself.
He”s just an obsessive, attention-seeking, sad prat*
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* cue for Ben (California Nazi) to come in with a little quip? 🙂
RepublicOfHolocaustNostalgics invites:
“Everyone, sign this petition to get a recount, Alex Salmond has sanctioned it,due to irregularities, **SIGN IT NOW*
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Tony_0pmoc (19 Sep, 2014 – 6:50 pm) My last diversion so far far off topic, but I replied because the term mini-nukes is much abused and has relevance to the WTC only in respect to the 1993 attack.
There’s been a growing realisation that Dr Stephen Jones with his nano-thermite spiel, is an intentional fraud, even down to the harassment by his university being a kid on. He’s a high-level mason who you can be sure knows *exactly* what happened that day, the conspiracy and the science, as he’s a nuclear specialist. He knows more than most people, and as much if not a little more than many of those at the highest levels within the US government, then and now.
How it was done, what we seen, can hardly be disputed. Whodunnit though other than Rumsfeld’s obvious deep involvement, I don’t know really and I’m not persuaded by many aspects of the theory and book published by the Russian man in a Thailand jail, which I would hazard from the stylistic differences within, had input from several different persons. It’s probably nearly 100% correct on the physics, but the rest I cannnot easily subscribe to. Inside the Bush regime you only have to ask who didn’t take to the deep shelter when ‘the thing’ was incoming, they must have known it was not going to go off.
No more ot wtc stuff from me, Craig should have a thread to dump this stuff in, as it’s getting interesting, but it spoils totally unrelated threads. Applies to most o/t stuff.
My friend in Glasgow has just received a text:
Habbabkuk says : don’t forget – full name and address, please!
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I’m addressing YES voters, with this petition, when I want to address *DICKHEADS* I’ll give you a bell, till then.
“It’s probably nearly 100% correct on the physics, but the rest I cannnot easily subscribe to. Inside the Bush regime you only have to ask who didn’t take to the deep shelter when ‘the thing’ was incoming, they must have known it was not going to go off.”
I’d be happy just seeing the missing 23 pages classified because Saudis needed to be skippered off the continent with no accountability and no questions.
Clark @ 8:24
Squonk left this livestream on another thread.
http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/ResultsCoverage
Sorry. That seems to be a recorded link now.
28 pages…excuse me.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/16/911-the-saudi-connection/
Ben … (19 Sep, 2014 – 8:24 pm)
I have no idea what you’re referring to, I don’t think we’re talking about the same book.
“My friend in Glasgow has just received a text:”
Yes, and not just No supporters, there are both camps there.
I’ve been telling you what to expect for long enough, what the politics of hatred and division always brings. What happens when you manipulate people by playing on their base emotions and instincts.
Clark:
What all of them, all 2 million? Maybe that’s why I haven’t yet met a single person who voted No, they’re all in George Square. It was going to be Independence Square, still might.
I did see video on the livestream, doing their salute, Fred thinks they were just waving.
TonyM; Sorry. Wasn’t referencing that particular book. I approach 9/11 from the strategy of rooting out the Saudis who claim they also want the pages released. There’s fire with that smoke and the wharf-rats will start talking about who, what and where when they feel on the spot. We already know why.
Quite, Fred. That’s exactly the strategy of the neocons to get their interests into policy through elections… They’ve got “democracy” off to a fine art.
Right anyone any ideas how we can get a functional democracy, up and running from scratch.
I think if we just build it slowly, inclusively, we might be allowed a play on the swings sometime around the year 2095. Make no mistake, this country, the UK will erupt, towns and cities will burn from end to end, all because David Cameron couldn’t play anything clean, he’s a bent as nine bob note, as are New Labour. I expected to wake up this morning in a model democracy, a country with all the potential to make a great society, instead we’ve woke up in a worse than both amalgam of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.
“I did see video on the livestream, doing their salute, Fred thinks they were just waving.”
That’s because they had both hands up.
This is how you do a real Nazi salute.
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/367328/slide_367328_4197628_compressed.jpg