George Robertson – Third Arse From Left
George Robertson has been designated by the Labour Party to lead a campaign to have a Yes vote nullified, on the grounds of campaign irregularities, intimidation and overspending. This has been agreed by Miliband’s office. One of the great advantages of being a small country like Scotland is that you very easily discover what is happening through family and social connections.
The media propaganda about “violent nationalists” is designed both to try to sway undecided voters to No (along with the disgraceful Gordon Brown “if you don’t know, vote No” slogan), and to provide ammunition to question the validity of the decision when they lose.
As I said, the great thing about a small country is it is very hard to keep secrets. People know what is happening, including the police. The Police Federation have put out a remarkable statement to contradict the media propaganda of violence and intimidation. Do not expect to see this featured prominently in the mainstream:
In response to increased press reports and comment implying increased crime and disorder as a consequence of the Independence Referendum Brian Docherty, Chairman of the Scottish Police Federation said;
“The Police Service of Scotland and the men and women who work in it should not be used as a political football at any time and especially so in these last few hours of the referendum campaign.
As I have previously stated the referendum debate has been robust but overwhelmingly good natured.
It was inevitable that the closer we came to the 18th of September passions would increase but that does not justify the exaggerated rhetoric that is being deployed with increased frequency. Any neutral observer could be led to believe Scotland is on the verge of societal disintegration yet nothing could be further from the truth.
Scotland’s citizens are overwhelmingly law abiding and tolerant and it is preposterous to imply that by placing a cross in a box, our citizens will suddenly abandon the personal virtues and values held dear to them all.
At this time it is more important than ever that individuals be they politicians, journalists or whoever should carefully consider their words, maintain level heads and act with respect. Respect is not demonstrated by suggesting a minority of mindless idiots are representative of anything. One of the many joys of this campaign has been how it has awakened political awareness across almost every single section of society. The success enjoyed by the many should not be sullied by the actions of the few.
Police officers must be kept free from the distractions of rhetoric better suited to the playground that the political stump. If crime has been committed it will be investigated and dealt with appropriately but quite simply police officers have better things to do than officiate in spats on social media and respond to baseless speculation of the potential for disorder on and following polling day”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/shetland-may-reconsider-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael
For those of a conspiratorial bent, this article is grist to their mill. Indpendence for Shetland!
“For those of a conspiratorial bent, this article is grist to their mill. Indpendence for Shetland!”
Makes a lot more sense than the expensive myth Salmond is trying to force on us.
Just 50,000 people in Scotland speak Gaelic, 1% of the population, we’ve got that many Polish speakers.
Yet they are spending a fortune changing every road sign to a language nobody speaks.
Sheer insanity.
Best of luck to the scots.
After hundreds of years, you will finally be your own master again like you where before.
Naysayers will tell you that you cant and wont be able to and that your nation isnt mature enough to run its own business. Like some eternal adolescent who never reaches 18.
You have your own culture, your own traditions, your own language (well, this could really use a bit of work) and more importantly you have OIL…
you dont need anyone to hold your hand anymore.
I have confident that Scotland isnt full if imbeciles who need to be babysat at all times.
The hypocrisy in supporting every single independance movements and worse bombing countries to steal their ancestral lands (not ukraine but Kosovo) and then claiming that self determination is good for everyone else BUT the scots is hopefully enough to get people to realize that many dont want whats good for scotland but whats good for them.
24hrs from now, you will be a free people. No other country will own you.
Although sticking with that old biddy and her parasitical spawn seems kind of silly. But one thing at a time.
Fred (re Mr Scorgie)
“So you’ve never actually been to Orkney and Shetland then.”
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Very likely not, Fred.
Like so many of the people posting on this subject, he’d English, lives in England and has no vote in the referendum.
Last time he told us something about himself, he claimed he lived in Wimbledon. In other words, he’s a Womble (to be polite).
Fred
“Just 50,000 people in Scotland speak Gaelic, 1% of the population, we’ve got that many Polish speakers.
Yet they are spending a fortune changing every road sign to a language nobody speaks.”
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That reminds me of a question I asked of Craig a while back. It was about civil servants in a future independent Scotland and contained several sub-questions, but the one which was relevant to your comment above was : given the precedents offered by Canada and Ireland, is it conceivable that the civil servants dealing with all-Scotland matters (ie, non strictly local matters) in a future independent Scotland would be required to be able to operate in both English and Scots Gaelic?
A delicate question and ….answer came there none.
fred 17 Sep, 2014 – 7:37 pm
“Makes a lot more sense than the expensive myth Salmond is trying to force on us.”
The first bi-lingual road signs in the Highlands were erected in 1973. “This set a precedent, which was gradually followed throughout the 1980s, becoming generally accepted in the 1990s.”[Wikipedia].
Your claim that these signs are all Salmond’s doing is worthy of the BBC.
RepublicOfHopefulDreams
“What a load of depressing dross laden nonsense, every yes voter I’ve spoke to or seen on TV has been confident of a win for yes.”
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Don’t be such a chump. You know very well that he was referring to every second Yesser posting on here. They’re the ones who have been busy constructing excuses in advance.
Tim Lovejoy*”
“Although sticking with that old biddy and her parasitical spawn seems kind of silly”
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Are you referring to Mary and Doug Scorgie? If so, I concur.
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* Love the “Lovejoy” handle! Are you by any chance related to Lovejoy, the lovable rogue antiques dealer who once had a series on television?
I ask because you too seem to be peddling az load of old junk.
Don’t be such a chump. You know very well that he was referring to every second Yesser posting on here. They’re the ones who have been busy constructing excuses in advance.
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Talking of excuses what’s yours for being such a dickhead.
Is George Robertson the very same as Lord Robertson? Of Dunblane. He who was last seen at a neocon think tank, and who previously was Secretary General of NATO? As I recall his fall from the Labour cabinet was as mysterious as his initial rise. A total nobody who rose to prominence for reasons that remain obscure, then went to NATO.
If so, that’s a very disturbing choice indeed. Very US-friendly that guy, for one.
Anyway, Ed Milliband is toast. He got drawn into the Better Together campaign, and now we’ll see the Labour Party get slaughtered in Scotland. Lots of talk about Cameron resigning if Yes wins, but I rather think Millipede will be first. Cameron doesn’t resign. Too thick.
The Scottish Sun reports that
“A FLEET of customised Yes Scotland cars are set to ferry 300,000 first-time voters to polling stations tomorrow”
They continue:
“The branded motors will pick up people — whether they’re backing Yes or No — in a £150,000 move.”
“And an army of supporters who’ll drive the fleet will explain the polling process to people on the way.”
Can someone please tell me why this isn’t against the law on ‘treating’?
(I would say exactly the same if it were No doing this. I am not making a partisan point. Surely it cannot be lawful for one side to provide a fleet of branded cars to give free lifts to the polling stations for hundreds of thousands of voters?)
Gaelic roadsigns indicate the name of places as they were for many hundreds of years before (often apallingly bad) anglisation. Why wouldn’t you call a place by its name. It’s not hard to learn the basic rules of gaelic pronunciation or its etymology for common place names.
Hopefully the language will flourish in direct proportion to the diminishing of Scottish self hatred in an independent Scotland.
Suas leis a gaidhlig
The language is flourishing. I mean in areas where it really is spoken and not in areas such as parts of eastern Sutherland where it has never been spoken but bureaucrats have still put up bilingual signs.
Incidentally the Gaelic-language mafia are an unscrupulous lot of ruthless money-grabbing arseholes who are despised by many of those whose first language really is Gaelic in one of its many dialects. Long may Gaelic flourish, whoever wins the referendum.
In some island areas, such as much of rural Lewis, the only language used on some road signs was Gaelic until around 10 years ago (not sure of the exact year), when idiot bureaucrats introduced bilingual signs with the Gaelic demoted to second place, written in smaller text. I am talking about areas where the main social language is Gaelic. I would support a return to Gaelic-only signs in these areas.
George Robertson…hmmm…wasn’t he implicated in some paedophile scandal a few years ago, just before he was shuffled off to NATO?
Here’s a joke: “Can we make Scotland independent?” “Yes, but why?”
“Yes” voters will make rUK a foreign country to themselves, and in the future might be less free to move South to seek prosperity.
THE US EMPIRE _IS_ FALLING – 3
A lot faster if Scotland votes ‘Yes’. Fancy that! ; )
From MK Bhadrakumar, ex-ambassador of India –
“The break-up of Britain will send tremors across Europe and globally. If Scotland moves out, Wales may follow. The opinion in the rump will heavily favor moving out of the European Union. Now, an EU without Britain has profound implications. Germany’s ascendancy or “assertiveness” is already being discussed openly.”
“Clearly, German will move still closer to Russia and the EU may itself take a different form. Again, the trans-Atlantic partnership between the US and its European allies cannot remain the same. Britain played a key role as Washington’s “branch manager” in Europe.”
“There have been ups and downs in the US-UK relationship, and there have been times when the poodle led the bumbling master through blind alleys, but Britain is ultimately irreplaceable in America’s global strategies. It’s unthinkable that the US agenda on NATO’s expansion can go ahead without Britain’s active role. Equally, without the Anglo-American axis, a New Cold War can never start in Europe. Poland or Lithuania simply cannot replace Britain.”
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“However, Britain’s demise will not be universally mourned. Britain is fairly widely loathed across continents for its brutal colonial record, for its slyness or deviousness (couched in irritating self-righteousness), for its preachy character (despite its scant regard for morality), for its panache to punch above its weight (from under American wings, of course) and for the sheer zest with which it explodes into violent acts against alien peoples who did no harm to it directly or directly.”
Amen, Brother!
Plus lots more –
‘History’s last laugh at Britain’, by MK Bhadrakumar, 18th Septempber 2014 – MK Bhadrakumar blog –
– http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/09/18/historys-last-laugh-at-britain/
Two names are involved in this extremely important constitutional issue which have question marks hanging over them concerning paedophilia and child abuse. George Robertson, post the Dunblane massacre, has been accused by some credible sections of the alternative media as having been involved in a high level paedophile ring which involved the gunman Thomas Hamilton. And Alex Salmond has been accused by sections of the alternative media of blocking and losing evidence concerning the dreadful Hollie Greig case in order to protect a high level paedophile ring. Whatever the truth about these allegations, and with what is being uncovered in Rotherham, Rochdale, Nottingham and elsewhere, we must first flush out this evil which has infested our corridors of power before we can proceed further in deciding how we best govern ourselves.
Abe Rene
“Yes” voters will make rUK a foreign country to themselves, and in the future might be less free to move South to seek prosperity.
Careful, your arrogance is showing.
Based on current figures, those seeking prosperity will be heading North, not South.
Good luck today and I hope the Scottish people vote yes. By the way the Normans who took over In 1066 are Viking decent coming to what became Normandy from Scandinavia then landgrabbing England pushing out the Anglo Saxons who pushed out the Celts who pushed out the earlier tribes….the driving force and common denomenator was greed and ego. Lets let go of these and grow up as a human race.
some may recognise this stanza -“when I was young, I did eagerly frequent doctor and saint, and ever more came out the same door as in I went”. and so it is with Scottish comments which in my view are largely Emotional and little on actual ECONOMIC FACTS. I have not heard one word by the media on what brought about the Act of Union and how many scots would know this part of history as well. The cause – Scotland went bankrupt and England bailed them out. who pays inter alia for this financial help in todays money? many may have heard the French saying “plus ca change plus ca meme chose”. and so it will be with Scotland but with added austerity measures – listen mr farage’s recent speech which has not had an airing by the media. as for boy Cameron what he and those who supported this devolvement is in my view treasonous having not first obtained the electorates of England, Wales and Scotland approval first for a devolvement.
@ tresmegistus
You tell us we should listen to “mr farage’s recent speech” to learn what’s best for Scotland.
Nuff said.
node – I said LISTEN. I said nothing about LEARNING WHAT’s BEST for scotland. your inference clearly misguided.
And if “they” loose, will they try to partition Scotland? Clair Ridge, Shetland, as part of a grubby deal with the Morton’s? I bet there must have been a few DA Notices on the go when Big Dave visited Shetland in secret!
You were talking disparagingly about Scotland, saying Scots don’t know their history or economics, then you said we should listen to Farage’s speech. I assumed you meant we would learn something from it, but you assure me this is not the case. Why, then, should we listen to it? Entertainment?
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
17 Sep, 2014 – 8:40 pm
Tim Lovejoy*”
“Although sticking with that old biddy and her parasitical spawn seems kind of silly”
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Are you referring to Mary and Doug Scorgie? If so, I concur.
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* Love the “Lovejoy” handle! Are you by any chance related to Lovejoy, the lovable rogue antiques dealer who once had a series on television?
I ask because you too seem to be peddling az load of old junk.
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Note that the troll thought it fit to denigrate me although I had had no exchange with him and had last posted three hours earlier.
Then I had posted a further link to Robertson to which the troll had replied:
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Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
17 Sep, 2014 – 5:38 pm
Mary writes, to preface yet another long cut-and-paste
“Revolting.
http://powerbase.info/index.php/George_Robertson
See lobbying activities.
The current entry reads: etc, etc, etc”
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Which parts/details of Robertson’s career do you find particularly revolting, Mary?
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Habbabkuk against pissy, silly, menopausal comments. 🙂
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That is plain trolling for all to see.