Now tell me Labour or Westminster can be trusted with Scotland’s interests. This is the answer to the frenzied pledges from London, as the entire UK Establishment and mainstream media faces humiliation on 18 September.
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“Hardly surprising, since the unionist parties outnumbered the SNP 91-35 seats. If Scotlend were an independent entity, it would be a treacherous MSP (of whatever tartan) who would vote for the motion again.
You can find the debate here.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness.aspx
If you have a time machine.”
So the order was not sneaked in in the dead of night behind the backs of the Scottish parliament then? That claim is total bullshit?
Try here if you really want to read it.
http://archive.scottish.parliament.uk/business/chamber/journalMinutes/journal-99/jour-990603.htm
Sorry, that was their 404 page. The link which gets you there is this:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/officialReports/meetingsParliament/or-00/or060102.htm
So the order was not sneaked in in the dead of night behind the backs of the Scottish parliament then? That claim is total bullshit?
Try here if you really want to read it.
http://archive.scottish.parliament.uk/business/chamber/journalMinutes/journal-99/jour-990603.htm
Cross posted – thanks, Fred, even if your reflexive antagonism is directed at someone who did not in fact claim anything of the sort.
“Ssshhh! I’m in campaign mode.”
Rubbish. As I said, you’re Googling ‘Scotland’ – and copying and pasting out-of-date material.
Dreoilin – am I wrong in thinking you are, or have claimed to be Irish? And, from the name, a resident of the Gaeltachd? Why your fury at people who aspire to be free of the Saxon yoke?
@Bird Droppings alias Guano:
Why not Fuck off back to your own little apartheid ether land?
Why is it that this site is so heavily infested with exponents of hate speech?
Because hate speech is the key instrument of control deployed by the exponents of political correctness, the religion imposed by tyrants on those who they intend to make slaves.
Here we have a post in which an acknowledged expert on maritime boundaries gives us a load of bollocks about some maritime boundary created for some unknown administrative purpose 15 years ago and any attempt to critique the post results in a barrage of lying hate speech totally unconnected with the question at issue.
Such, we are to understand, is the mentality of the advocates of Scottish independence. The mentality of narrow nationalists. The mentality of people so rabid that they are unable to engage in an intelligent debate about a purely technical matter. Such, if Craig Murray and his followers are representative, is the mentality of the New Scotland.
Vive L’Angleterre libre.
Interesting observation of a glaring inconstancy.
I am looking forward to read the reply?
MH17 crash report.
How the press distorts the news.
From the Dutch report
“components for forensic examination, photographs from the wreckage indicated that the material around the holes was deformed in a manner consistent with being punctured by high-energy objects”
I heard twice on the BBC world service this morning “High energy objects and then “High velocity objects.”
High-energy objects are not the same as High velocity objects.
BBC
“Dutch experts say Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed in east Ukraine after being hit by objects that “pierced the plane at high velocity”.
YAHOO
A Malaysian Airways passenger jet destroyed over the Ukraine conflict zone was hit by multiple high-velocity objects and broke up in the air, according to a Dutch interim report into its destruction.
@RoS
Most bizarre of all, though is Gordon Brown, old Captain Barbossa, stepping forward as the saviour of the Union. That the man who did more that any other to demonstrate the case for Independence by his lamentable performance as Prime Minister, should expect any electorate now to believe a single bloody word he says, well, for me that redefines irony.
So we are to understand, are we, that Scotsmen like Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, who made such a botch of running Britain, will do a vastly superior job when confined to the simpler task of running Scotland?
But it is a remarkable fact that Cameron is leaving leadership of the “Yes” campaign to a back-bench member of the opposition, which supports my contention that the government seeks the breakup of the UK, the better to subordinate the pieces to the undemocratic international institutions, the UN, EU, NATO, WTO, etc., which under the control of the financial interests, will dominate the world under the long-planned New World Order.
NATO bear-baiting continues in Ukraine.
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/09/09/378165/russia-jets-overfly-canadian-frigate/
Poking a bear is not advisable unless you are looking for a fight.
As an aside to the track record of success of the USUK governments; Libyan parliament takes refuge in Greek car ferry
Is it optimism or do our Civil Servants and the Government know something we don’t?
Something sinister may be going on.
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“For all the talk of plan As and plan Bs in the Scottish referendum campaign, how much planning has the UK government done for a “yes” vote?”
“The answer is, er, none – much to the surprise of MPs on the public administration committee, who took evidence from the UK’s top civil servant yesterday.”
“Former Welsh Secretary Cheryl Gillan challenged Sir Jeremy Heywood directly after he said the UK government had done no contingency planning.”
“Are you telling me,” she asked, “that my former department, the Wales Office, is not doing any work at all on the implications for Wales and the devolution settlement if there is a “yes” vote in Scotland? Are you saying that no work has been carried out at all?”
Sir Jeremy replied: “I’m saying that no contingency planning is going on for a yes vote, as instructed by the prime minister.”
“Mrs Gillan tried to ask the same question in a slightly different way: “Would it be safe to assume that officials always look at possible future scenarios in order to protect the government they are serving?”
Sir Jeremy: “I can say this as many times as you like. We are not doing any contingency planning.”
Mrs Gillan: “Ok.”
“Newport West Labour MP Paul Flynn was equally sceptical about the UK government’s approach.”
“He asked Sir Jeremy: “Is the civil service and the government prepared for a yes vote in 10 days’ time?”
“We’re not doing any contingency planning, as you know, the prime minister’s made it clear that the government isn’t and the civil service isn’t doing any contingency planning on that.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29123306
Just Saying
You must learn not to be economical with the truth,, dear boy.
“YESSS, its clearly a no brainer, especially so when habba & co are in the NO camp.”
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I have told people several times that I have no dog in this fight. What I have done on occasion is – apart from correcting, as is my wont, factual errors or misleading comments – to query the outbursts of utopianism emanating from certain Yessers (“Scotland will be a more moral and ethical entity once independent and politicians will no longer be politicians” – that kind of tosh) and to express doubts about some of the wilder outbursts Craig has so successfully succeeded in unleashing (the “there will be a false flag terrorist attack just before the poll” sort of nonsense).
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“The conspiracy theorists are now going to say bibi deliberately timed his Gaza massacre, to show Cameron in a bad light, and give Salmonds YES campaign a push”
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You are wrong, because the conspiracy theorists on this blog are those who – for example – carefully prepared their excuses for a possible No vote by affirming solemnly that various secret services and public authorities are working flat out to subvert a Yes vote.
The conspiracy theorists and false flag merchants on here are from the camp of the Eminences and other Useful Idiots and not the likes of Fred.
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Habbabkuk welcomes the referendum as proof that the UK is a wonderfully democratic, free and tolerant country. Long live Her Majesty the Queen!
But it is a remarkable fact that Cameron is leaving leadership of the “Yes” campaign to a back-bench member of the opposition, which supports my contention that the government seeks the breakup of the UK, the better to subordinate the pieces to the undemocratic international institutions, the UN, EU, NATO, WTO, etc., which under the control of the financial interests, will dominate the world under the long-planned New World Order.
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That’s right Canspeccy.
David Cameron is leaving the indyref campaign to the likes of Brown and Darling, because Cameron is toxic north of the border, he’s also spineless, and he has been running away from debating Alex Salmond since day one.
“Dreoilin – am I wrong in thinking you are, or have claimed to be Irish?”
I am very much Irish, and proud of it. My family is from Donegal, but I was born in Dublin, where I now live. I’m an Irish-speaker but I’m not from the Gaeltacht.
“Why your fury at people who aspire to be free of the Saxon yoke?”
Fury?? Don’t be daft. ‘Republicofscotland’ is a holocaust denier, and, as far as I’m concerned, a sock-puppet.
I have family and friends in Scotland. I have spent some great times there.
I was going to post this, earlier, but I have no idea if it’s considered hackneyed in Scotland. Or even disliked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_izA_a3z7w
So inept are the Better Together camp and 10 Downing street, that an attempt to fly the Saltire over 10 Downing street,ended with the flag falling off, the first time, an omen, I hope so.
Captain Baal-Komodo (VD and Scar)
“They were debated and accepted by the Scottish Parliament on the 3 June 1999.
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Hardly surprising, since the unionist parties outnumbered the SNP 91-35 seats.”
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Yes, the Unionist parties who outnumbered the SNP as the result of free, fair and democratic elections.
That’s how democracy works, Captain – no good complaining that 10 years earlier or 10 years later the vote may have been different.
I was going to post this, earlier, but I have no idea if it’s considered hackneyed in Scotland. Or even disliked.
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You’re absolutely right “You have no idea”
Neither do you, I suspect.
From Captain Komodo-Baal-Afrend:
“Dreoilin – am I wrong in thinking you are, or have claimed to be Irish? And, from the name, a resident of the Gaeltachd? Why your fury at people who aspire to be free of the Saxon yoke?”
and endorsed by the lickspittle Passerby (I wish he’s pass this blog by!):
“Why your fury at people who aspire to be free of the Saxon yoke?
Interesting observation of a glaring inconstancy.”
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Could the answer to the Captain’s question be that Dreoilin is trying to look at the case on its merits and not drawing irrelevant comparisons with the situation in Ireland 100 years ago?
But I do realise that it’s difficult for most on here to look at anything on its merits. Much easier to obsess and cut-and-paste from your favorite nutty website! LOL
The commenter whom I choose not to name claims he has no preference on the issue of Scottish independence, although every one of his posts reveals that he very much has a preference.
Why should we pay any attention to anyone so obviously deficient in candor?
Neither do you, I suspect.
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Oh! you’re definitely suspect that’s for sure.
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9 Sep, 2014 – 2:22 pm
Thanks for the response I thought it was opportunity to let people know that the topic has just started and he is inviting interested parties to get involved .
As for publicity he writes science columns for the papers anyway I daresay he will at some point write about his research or write another book 🙂
If that’s the level of your repartee, RoS, I’d advise you to keep your lip zipped.
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“Why your fury at people who aspire to be free of the Saxon yoke?”
You obviously weren’t here, Komodo, when I told the story about being among the crowd outside the British Embassy when it was burned down, following the Bloody Sunday massacre of civil rights protesters by the Parachute Regiment in 1972?
And of being invited to the Ambassador’s residence later, several years later, to a reception. And while waiting in line to be introduced to him and his wife, I didn’t know if I’d be able to stop myself saying, “Hello. How are you? I was at the burning of your Embassy in 1972”. Just for the craic, like – to see his face.
‘I knew nothing’.
So said the ex Chief Constable of South Yorkshire to the Home Affairs Committee on the Rotherham child abuse.
Perhaps too busy with ACPO (a private company) and terrrr related matters and the affairs of this rotten state. Note he retired in 2011 when reading the company director details below which date from 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredydd_Hughes
Since 2008, a director of NDORS, National Driver Offender Retraining Scheme.
£3,104,609
Cash
£2,028,050
Net Worth
£9,617,720
Assets
£7,589,670
Liabilities
and Road Traffic Safety.
Meredydd Hughes holds 2 appointments at 2 active companies, has resigned from 1 companies and held 0 appointments at 0 dissolved companies. Meredydd began their first appointment at the age of 48. Their longest current appointment spans 7 years and 5 months at ROAD SAFETY SUPPORT LIMITED.
The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where Meredydd holds a current appointment equals £4,069,896, with a combined assets value of £10,824,153 and liabilities of £8,118,901. Roles associated with Meredydd Hughes within the recorded businesses include: Director
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/911980396
What the hell has been going on?
The social services woman in the council had a similar tale to tell.
‘I did not know’.
Shame on these inadequates. ‘Suffer the little children to come unto me.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29125890
If that’s the level of your repartee, RoS, I’d advise you to keep your lip zipped.
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When I want your advice I’ll ask for it.
Live television coverage of a speech by Frances O’Grady, General Secretary of the TUC, was cut off this morning minutes after she had warned of a return to a “Downton Abbey” society – for a newsflash announcing that the Duchess of Cambridge is expecting her second child.
The second royal pregnancy was deemed to be so important that nothing more was heard of Ms O’Grady’s speech, in which she expanded on her theme that the British class system is being reinvented, as the gap between rich and poor widens.
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So the inception of a new Royal sprog, to add to the inbred Royal degenerates, that already plague society, is deemed more important, than national poverty.
The Brits are God’s chosen people and anyone who doesn’t agree with us is anti-sock-puppet.
CanSpeccy
“..any attempt to critique the post results in a barrage of lying hate speech totally unconnected with the question at issue.
Such, we are to understand, is the mentality of the advocates of Scottish independence..”
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I have sympathy with what you say, but I do feel that perhaps you haven’t entirely understood what motivates the posters you’re talking about.
My sense from a close reading of the numerous posts on this subject is that the Eminences and assorted Useful Idiots only care about Scottish independence as yet another avenue for UK/England bashing. They don’t really give a monkey’s about independence for Scotland but just espouse the cause because they feel that independence for Scotland would in some way be harmful to the UK/England and its future prospects (and, casting their net more widely, harmful to the US, the Western alliance, NATO and so on). Insomma, in the same way that they support President rasPutin and a variety of other tinpot tyrants (President Nicola Maduro Loros, President Kirchner, the Iranian ayatollahs, Hamas and Hizbollah, President Assad, the lovely Chinese govt…..). Most of them are not even Scots, after all. They are English self-haters of the Mary variety.
@DS:
“I’m saying that no contingency planning is going on for a yes vote, as instructed by the prime minister.”
Which further supports the view that a “yes” is what the government is aiming for. If no clarity is provided to the people of Scotland as to what a vote for “Independence” means, the choice comes down to “independence” versus, what, “dependence?” “subordination?” “subservience?” And the outcome is obvious.
Clever, innit, the people never to think for a moment about the reality of becoming a small “independent” country in shark-infested waters.
No, no, Scotland won’t have to join Nato and send a Highland regiment to Ukraine or Afghanistan or wherever the war for global empire dictates. No, like Hell.
And no, Scotland will not have to submit to the unelected lawmakers of the EU. No, Scotland will be the mercy solely of its own domestic sharks. LOL.