I have no sympathy at all for anybody who voted No on the grounds of the pledges by Brown, Miliband, Cameron and Clegg about constitutional change, and is now whingeing about the blatant dishonour of those pledges. I cannot understand how anybody could be so stupid as to have believed them, and yet have a brain capable of sparking respiration.
Labour is interested in losing no influence of Scottish Labour MPs on any UK or English matters. It wants greater powers to English metropolitan councils which are controlled by Labour – because that will give Labour careerists more jobs and access to contracts. Those are Labours “constitutional reform” goals. The Conservatives “constitutional reform” goals are to keep Scotland’s tax on oil revenues and tax on whisky coming to Westminster, while loading greater responsibilities but no more money on the Scottish parliament, and stopping Scottish MPs voting on English matters thus guaranteeing conservative apparatchiks continued jobs and access to contracts.
Both Tories and Labour want to keep the appalling corrupt and undemocratic House of Lords for its jobs for apparatchiks, access to contracts etc.
Nobody cares what the Lib Dems think anyway.
I ask again – what did you expect?
This is the collective wisdom of Andy Myles and myself, over an excellent mackerel breakfast at Nom De Plume.
RoS eff off. While some of the ww2 stuff you cut and pasted was of genuine historical interest and worth examination and debate, it wasn’t original, wasn’t yours, and certain posts: the list of expulsions and the piece about blue eyes, was off-the-wall and cannot be interpreted in any way other than pro-nazi. I think it was right you were called out on it. With Habbaduk, you pair have become a right little noisy, distracting double act. Desist I say both of you.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/what-now-scotland-young-yes-generation
Perceptive article by Channal4’s Paul Mason just released on Guardian CIF . Anybody who read his equally perceptive articles whilst recently in Gaza during the Israeli onslaught will appreciate his insight .
Well im not going to try to hard to sort out ‘who is who’, that’s why I like the idea of something solid to work on.
But happy to just drop in and learn some stuff. It always feels a bit big to me, because I get a lot of people have been deeply involved with events I have scant knowledge about. I’m often just reading /learning about the world we are not normally privy to.
Re, Paul Mason, he does some good stuff. I often think these good journalists are not well represented within the whole package of the guardian.
I’d say about 10% of them fit in its proposed ethos, but as whole the paper should be sacked disbanded for false advertising. Leading liberal voice, ha.
“Facts are”, ,,,cherry picked within a narrow window then placed in the wrong part of the political spectrum.
Baal
Sure. Quite how the grass roots enthusiasm for yes will translate into a wider sustained push for social justice is anyone’s guess. It might just all disappear. Hope not.
Agree about Salmond/Murdoch. I suspect they discussed TV but Murdoch demanded too much.
I reckon the security services flipped what was in fact a landslide Yes. Scots, ask around and you’ll find that 3/4 said Aye.
“I reckon the security services flipped what was in fact a landslide Yes. Scots, ask around and you’ll find that 3/4 said Aye.”
Yea quite possible.
But there is all the people who spend most of the time indoors and infront of the box.
I didn’t make it up..I simply expressed a bit of heart and soul on my way..You think I made it up???
I ain’t that good. Real Life is Far more interesting Than Fiction…I know you are only going to get a bit of it whatever you do..and I do not have a problem with J.K Wrowling or Whatever the Author is called…
I just thought Sir Ian Mcewan (No He ain’t Scottish – He Comes From Lancashire Too) Did a Brilliant Job of The Wizard..Yes I know he was only acting..and it never occured to me..except one of My Girlfriends saw me with my monopod..and She Said..
She’s From Lancashire Too and Both My Wife and I Love Her To Bits..we are not related..well we were all brought up as Catholics..but Gave it Up when we were 15
Is that O.K,.
We haven’t betrayed anyone not so far as I know.. I haven’t shagged her..if that is what you are thinking.She isn’t my sister..but she might as well be..
I Love My Wife..and I have Never Betrayed Her..
She’s From Lancashire Too.
I think us Lancashire Guys are O.K…Both Boys and Girls..In Fact I would Go Further Than That..I Think We are The Friendliest People in The World
We might not have that many friends..but at least we Try to Be Really Nice
If you don’t like us then Piss Off.
We can’t try any harder.
Tony
Seems to me Scotland did a great job. It was the first real push, and it came close. There is 45% in the bag.
I don’t know what the reactions going to be after a bit of time. But I can’t see many concluding yea, them people in the no camp where correct.
This is the current inquisition; “do you believe zionistan has ………”
The trap had been set!!!!!
This the nonsense that is filling the media, and the blogoshpere, pitiful, pathetic attempts in affirmation of the “rights” of a bunch of genocidal, murderers, aggressive thieves, militaristic mercenaries, supremacist scum, whilst the great and the good are genuflecting to the notion of a red shield owned country for the purpose of laundering the funds and ensuring a safe haven for the aforementioned laundered money.
The pretence of civilisation is a veneer to the barbaric primitive mindsets that has made murder, theft, lies and deceit to a standard.
I asked a serious question earlier. Do postal votes, as a matter of routine, get opened in the days before polling day as “sample ballots”?
Not seen any links to this yet, so posting here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq8lmlFhzM0
It would be inconceivable to think that the ptb would not intervene to preserve… the ptb.
It would be up to those who organise elections to be aware of methods of committing electoral fraud, and take all appropriate steps to detect attempts, etc. If this didn’t happen it is very suspicious indeed. If this doesn’t happen at the general election we might as well all give up and accept that democracy is a myth.
The low turnouts at the biggest “yes” constituencies definitely gives a fishy smell. We’ll never know why these most passionate regions were almost 20% below the average.
Mike postal votes are opened as in their envelopes, to verify the signatures and the if the forms are filled in properly, they are supposedly not opened for the count, until the returning officer gives the go ahead for their count.
Postal voting is not a transparent process and its widespread use is in fact gaming the system. In fact the whole of the process is not transparent.
“sample vote” I have no clue about.
Nice one, Ishmael. I remember listening to it on the radio.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/513316/Queen-s-grandson-Peter-Phillips-in-Scottish-subsidy-storm
Ah, these Royals , just can’t help themselves when it comes to political comment .
“We’ll never know why these most passionate regions were almost 20% below the average.”
Maybe, but if it was fraud it could come out. Somehow.
It did make me think when people where saying how just glasgow could swing it.
Was there international observers or something like that?
“…Some hate the English. I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We’re ruled by effete assholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!…”
From a short clip I got from a Scottish fiend today, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqgkZDbe4Xk
Tony
“RoS eff off. While some of the ww2 stuff you cut and pasted was of genuine historical interest and worth examination and debate, it wasn’t original, wasn’t yours, and certain posts: the list of expulsions and the piece about blue eyes, was off-the-wall and cannot be interpreted in any way other than pro-nazi. I think it was right you were called out on it. With Habbaduk, you pair have become a right little noisy, distracting double act.”
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I believe it was I who first “called him out on it”. So what’s your problem, Tony?
Trainspotting.
Angery and disillusioned ?
Try neo-libralisum. Use your criminally gained wealth to prop up your close friends, Choose tax avoidance, choose “life’.
http://www.uk-sel.com/index.php/client-management
Well talk about keeping it in the family . Peter Phillips the Queens grandson who has entered the ‘ great debate ‘ on Scotland is Managing Director of Sports Consultancy Sel UK representing dad Captain Mark Phillips , sister Zara Phillips and her husband Mike Tindall .
He must have had real talent to reach the giddying heights of Managing Director !!
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a597997/charlotte-church-reacts-to-scotland-staying-in-the-uk.html?rss#~oQxKhZ9E0B7XVG
Well it may have been a ‘ No ‘ vote but is has caused ‘ stirrings in the valleys ‘ .
It seems to me that film (Trainspotting) though it had some good moments, was a bad idealogical injection into society.
It was and is, “There is no alternative” said it a fashionable cool way, appeling to the sensibility of youth who are being crushed by the very same doctrine.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a597704/scotland-votes-to-stay-in-the-uk-how-did-the-stars-react.html#~oQxMmvAkTyAt3I
” Fear is more powerful than faith . Until that changes none of us is free ” Russell Brand .
They want to mythologise people, As they mythologise themselves in order to justify the life they lead.
Legendary writers, film makers, bankers etc. Nothing like common scum. They do so much for society. You are worthless by comparison. We promote what and who we want.
Now go find some honest tax payers and rob them. Convince them your a maverick, anything to empty there pockets. And we will write your legend in the stars.
J,k we will make you a queen. Send them to fantasy land.
I can just feel the huge enrichment of society, can’t you?
Ps, I don’t believe in conspiracy ‘theories’.
Above is simply imagining the corporate system we live under, if it had a voice. They are not going to promote anything alternative very much. It may start hitting profits.
Ishmael.
Re “Trainspotting.” I haven’t seen the film so I can’t offer comment on it. The 36 second clip certainly spoke powerfully to me of the disgust felt by a people who know they are allowing themselves to be fecked-over.
Yes, it experssed strong feelings of powerlessness. Maybe recognising these feelings can be the start of the process of empowerment.
I sense that a people who have started to pay attention are not going to just shrug and resign themselves to another 300 yrs of rule from afar.
Sofia, Yea it spoke to me also, I saw it a while ago. Worth watching who whole thing imo of you haven’t, it has some funny bits and good acting. .
I think it speaks to that time well.
But if you watch the ending and consider what it is really saying.
(dont click if you dont want to see, but imo it would not spoil the film much)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0D4ekTODuA
O just noticed, he calls it tax exemption. My mistake’above. Same idea.
That bag on his sholder contains money from a drug deal. If I recall correct.
Ishmael.
Re the final scene. Yes. I see what you mean. A bit of an anticlimax. I’ll have to watch the whole film.
In the meantime my heart goes out to all those Scotts whose hopes have been (temporarily) dashed.
It still looks to me that a watershed has been crossed and rule from Westminster will become increasingly rejected.
Good luck.
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Westminster aren’t the only ones who don’t listen… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ
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You lost a battle not the war, get involved, stand for election onto councils and as SNP or Independents in Westminster seats.
Build a power base and grab the levers of power.
Get together and plan out the policies to the traps you fell into like Currency, Pensions, Health, EU etc so there are fully developed and expert reviewed. Don’t give up, regroup, rearm, retrain, re-plan and RETURN to the battle again.
Have you the guts and determination for a ten year struggle.
Read Thomas Paine “These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman”
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.