I have no sympathy at all for anybody who voted No on the grounds of the pledges by Brown, Miliband, Cameron and Clegg about constitutional change, and is now whingeing about the blatant dishonour of those pledges. I cannot understand how anybody could be so stupid as to have believed them, and yet have a brain capable of sparking respiration.
Labour is interested in losing no influence of Scottish Labour MPs on any UK or English matters. It wants greater powers to English metropolitan councils which are controlled by Labour – because that will give Labour careerists more jobs and access to contracts. Those are Labours “constitutional reform” goals. The Conservatives “constitutional reform” goals are to keep Scotland’s tax on oil revenues and tax on whisky coming to Westminster, while loading greater responsibilities but no more money on the Scottish parliament, and stopping Scottish MPs voting on English matters thus guaranteeing conservative apparatchiks continued jobs and access to contracts.
Both Tories and Labour want to keep the appalling corrupt and undemocratic House of Lords for its jobs for apparatchiks, access to contracts etc.
Nobody cares what the Lib Dems think anyway.
I ask again – what did you expect?
This is the collective wisdom of Andy Myles and myself, over an excellent mackerel breakfast at Nom De Plume.
Habbabkuk to Mary:
“If everyone had to pay every time they posted here, you would soon have to put your des res in leafy Surrey on the market.”
Perhaps close neighbour Andy Murray would be interested?
Have you seen this video re count rigging?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBZi6HqDwcQ
Reading Craig’s blog and the comments on these boards I fear I may have sold my soul to a bunch of sociopaths. I voted NO and I have to admit I feel thoroughly ashamed- sullied even for having done so. I have no excuse, I’m well educated and used to think of myself as courageous, guided by morality, duty and care. Alas, come the day of the races when courage was all it took I failed, I failed myself, I failed my countrymen. I keep trying to justify my actions, however no justification can rid my mind of the feeling of betrayal I feel I’ve committed. It’s like Banquo’s ghost it’ll haunt me forever and I know it’ll never go away, I deserve it.
All I can offer is sorry!
“If you charged Fred £1 for each ‘I Support the Bitter Together’ post he made on your blog, he would owe you.”
Fuck off you nasty old hag.
I live in Scotland and I spoke for my beliefs and also it seems for the majority of Scots which is my right and if the people of the Home Counties don’t like that they can just fuck off and die.
Labour leader Ed Miliband arrives at party conference, telling supporters “next eight months are about how we change our country together”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-29292222
He, and what he says, is irrelevant.
The real Fred spoke there. Unpleasant but never mind. After all, he is Bitter Together.
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My hut and curtillage is not for sale. In any case, Mr Andy Murray would not be at all interested. He has other fish to fry. Half a million squid invested in Beaverbrook’s old home. The developers went to appeal in the High Court after a judge squashed planning refused permission to develop it and the land. They won. Bingo.
http://www.cherkleycourt.com/documents/press/may/05_Full%20steam%20ahead,%20say%20Cherkley%20Court%20developers.pdf
Andy Murray facing £500,000 bill after High Court rejects his plan for a new multi-million golf course near his Surrey home
Tennis hero thwarted in bid for new course in Leatherhead after judge quashes planning permission
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407862/Andy-Murray-facing-500k-High-Court-rejects-plan-multi-million-Surrey-golf-course.html
“I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you over the significance of vote fraud. The postal votes with an 80 – 85% “NO” vote would’ve been enough to flip it that way and we have no idea how they played out as they got randomised by putting them with the on-the-day votes. ”
I think the observers would have noticed. The postal ballots are printed on a different colour of paper. If there was a disproportionate number of postal forms on one pile it would stand out like a sore thumb.
But as I have said many times. If you have any concerns the ballot was not fair then the police is the place to go, not the internet.
“Events were being watched particularly closely in Spain, with Catalonia holding a similar vote on secession in November.
Yesterday, El País, the daily newspaper with the country’s highest daily circulation, reported a speech by Catalan regional premier Artur Mas, who said Scotland had shown that referendums were the “way, the good way and the only way to resolve such conflicts”.
But the newspaper also reported comments from Spain’s prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, who said Scotland had avoided “serious economic, social, institutional and political consequences” by voting No.”
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/world-s-eyes-on-scottish-independence-referendum-1-3547453
The formulae for suppressing secession is tried and true, Scotland’s inspiration spills into your lap like hot tea.
“The real Fred spoke there. Unpleasant but never mind. After all, he is Bitter Together.”
Which part of fuck off and die didn’t you understand?
Correction. It was 500,000 partner shares not £500k. I see Goldman Sachs features. LOL.
‘Someone called Andrew Murray had 500,000 partner shares in Longshot Cherkley Court Ltd in December, according to accounts filed at Companies House.
An Andrew Murray also had three ordinary shares in Beaverbrook Golf Club Ltd in January, accounts showed.’
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/epsomnews/10529967.Andy_Murray_reportedly_invests_in_controversial_plans_for_hotel_and_golf_course/
What dishonour? What lies? That’s what comes of eating too much mackerel. You’d be better off with a cheese and mushroom omelette. 🙂
I have every confidence that the major political parties will deliver on the promises they made. Here’s a recent BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29289035
Scotland NO voters beware; It’s not just your oil they’re after.
DWP has banned an event in downtown LA that had permits for a one-day waterslide.
“It’s not consistent with our drought policy”
Neither is the 100 year old bursting water pipes losing millions of gallons of water from your criminal neglect.
Awareness is not their forte’.
Abe Rene
“I have every confidence that the major political parties will deliver on the promises they made. Here’s a recent BBC article:”
We have frequently politely disagreed, but that is the first time I can recall you posting something really unintelligent.
I respect you think what you think fred, but some flavours of anger show weakness.
Being nasty is no big deal to me, but do you feel it so necessary? If your strong why bother?
It’s hard to tell reality on blogs but you do seem bitter, along with making some good points. Are you here to try and contribute?
Abe Rene; Take a ride in Mark’s cab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-DBxz8HtE
Tank Dempsey
“Reading Craig’s blog and the comments on these boards I fear I may have sold my soul to a bunch of sociopaths. I voted NO and I have to admit I feel thoroughly ashamed- sullied even for having done so. I have no excuse, I’m well educated and used to think of myself as courageous, guided by morality, duty and care. Alas, come the day of the races when courage was all it took I failed, I failed myself, I failed my countrymen. I keep trying to justify my actions, however no justification can rid my mind of the feeling of betrayal I feel I’ve committed. It’s like Banquo’s ghost it’ll haunt me forever and I know it’ll never go away, I deserve it.
All I can offer is sorry!”
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Lol! Word of advice, Dempsey: you’ve got to make this stuff subtle!
“I have every confidence”
“Here’s a recent BBC article”
Fail.
Can the mole who made a packet ratting to the bookies now turn anonymous whistle-blower. All that paper marking,posting,etc must have required a few minions. Or are the MI5 trainee operatives afraid of committing suicide in a large holdall locked from outside?
Ishmael
As far as I can tell Fred’s policy is to be polite and courteous, if a bit frosty, unless he is on the receiving end of abuse, in which case he gives it back as good as he gets. He seems to be under particular fire from the failed yessers because he voted No, and is therefore being bullied and attacked as some sort of traitor. They’re really making it personal with Fred.
“It’s hard to tell reality on blogs but you do seem bitter, along with making some good points. Are you here to try and contribute?”
You look back through this blog and find how many times I ever had a go at anybody who didn’t have a go at me first.
Then find me somebody with a better record.
You just posted for no other reason but to criticise me, did I ever post just to criticise you?
“As has been explained to you on numerous occasions, by Fred, Habbabkuk, Res Dis and others, if you have evidence of vote rigging then take it to the Electoral Commission or the Police. Otherwise it looks like you are just a sore loser making spurious accusations in the hope of spreading doubt and to excuse the fact that you lost.”
Anon1,
For the record, my last post was the first time I have ever posted on this site. I am not a ‘sore loser’, I was merely a member of the electorate asking Craig his thoughts regarding an issue which a growing number of people have voiced their concerns over.
I do note however, through browsing numerous past threads, that you are very quick to shout down anyone else who brings up any controversial points on this site, thus I do not feel alone. Little can be done by the police in regards to any such claim of widespread vote rigging, as this – if substantiated – would go to a much higher level than that which police would be qualified to look into and is a matter would take outside, impartial investigation.
Anyway, I hope you get your ‘bet’ sorted one way or another.
“All right. I can see the broken eggs. Where’s this omelette of yours?”
Panait Istrati
The talk of ‘Federalist’ reforms seems like more carbon-monoxide for popular consumption. Wheels within wheels each with it’s own operator, shifting gears and opening the right valves.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-independence-decentralise-demand-grows-1-3547688
De-centralizing power works against the interests of No engineers. They don’t give up their power. You have to take it.
“They’re really making it personal with Fred.”
Whatever. let’s move on then shall we. I don’t care to find out who started what. All will be more clear with time. I haven’t been following this blog very closely. My issue, ignore me.
Ps, I don’t need any one perosn saying what’s what, but opinion heard and considered thanks.
I don’t think you need to posit vote fraud to explain the result, simple human psychology is more than adequate to the task. The Yes campaigners were fighting an uphill battle against human nature. Starting a new country is a massive, irrevocable leap in the dark, it’s like leaving your house and heading off to build a new one. Most people are by nature cautious and conservative. They inevitably gravitate towards the safe, comfortable and familiar. Especially when it’s snowing outside. You need some very powerful arguments to get people to go against that and, strange as it sounds, economic arguments are not primal motivators, except for people who are destitute. I guess if you are young and filled with passion it would seem like a fine idea, but if you are comfortably settled in life, looking forward to your retirement, and not exactly groaning under the yoke of tyranny, I suspect you would think twice and thrice before taking the leap of faith. I’m not endorsing either side, just saying I’m not too surprised by the result. Better the devil you know etc.
We might see MH17 kind of double-dutch,squirming and silence after someone raises the issue of how many AND geographical distribution of the NO votes of the 793k postal votes registered. Especially if the numbers start looking ludicrous after separating registrations/votes from YES strongholds like Glasgow from the ovarall 90% and 97% turnouts and registrations recorded respectively.
@Frank Bowles
20 Sep, 2014 – 1:34 pm
I disagree that it was duck houses that started it. Maybe I have a longer memory than you but for me it was Bliar’s illegal wars, especially Iraq. Millions marched and proclaimed “Not in my Name” but the disaster happened anyway.
In my opinion any notion of representative democracy in the UK died that day. For my part I never voted in any election from that day on. The glorious revolution brought about by the Scottish Independence Referendum campaign (note not the result) has restored my faith.
The result is a grave injustice, it’s time to re-join the political process. I’ll join the SNP.
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Anon1
Lol! Word of advice, Dempsey: you’ve got to make this stuff subtle!
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Well they do say confession is good for the soul and good men feel bad when they do bad things. But never mind eh chief- thanks for the critique, I did try.
“You just posted for no other reason but to criticise me, did I ever post just to criticise you?”
If I recall, I did call you up on some points you made. And it was you who got more personal with me, with the sunshine comment.
I thought generally criticizing other views is what debate is about. But in reality i’d expect things to get personal at times.
Ps, I could care less who thinks they have more virtue.