I have no sympathy at all for anybody who voted No on the grounds of the pledges by Brown, Miliband, Cameron and Clegg about constitutional change, and is now whingeing about the blatant dishonour of those pledges. I cannot understand how anybody could be so stupid as to have believed them, and yet have a brain capable of sparking respiration.
Labour is interested in losing no influence of Scottish Labour MPs on any UK or English matters. It wants greater powers to English metropolitan councils which are controlled by Labour – because that will give Labour careerists more jobs and access to contracts. Those are Labours “constitutional reform” goals. The Conservatives “constitutional reform” goals are to keep Scotland’s tax on oil revenues and tax on whisky coming to Westminster, while loading greater responsibilities but no more money on the Scottish parliament, and stopping Scottish MPs voting on English matters thus guaranteeing conservative apparatchiks continued jobs and access to contracts.
Both Tories and Labour want to keep the appalling corrupt and undemocratic House of Lords for its jobs for apparatchiks, access to contracts etc.
Nobody cares what the Lib Dems think anyway.
I ask again – what did you expect?
This is the collective wisdom of Andy Myles and myself, over an excellent mackerel breakfast at Nom De Plume.
Mary
“I was waiting for the trill from the troll at 1.45pm. Et tu, Brute?”
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You are really very silly sometimes, Mary.
“and stopping Scottish MPs voting on English matters thus guaranteeing conservative apparatchiks continued jobs and access to contracts.”
I’ve asked my Labour MP to support this, what is the point of him wasting his time reading up on all that legislation and then voting on it when it does not affect Scotland?
Make them squirm. Make them realise that when they got into bed with the other Unionist parties, we have every right to ask them to support the Unionist party policies.
The Deeper Meaning (re Anon1)
“I do note however, through browsing numerous past threads, that you are very quick to shout down anyone else who brings up any controversial points on this site..”
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I think you’re either getting Anon1 mixed up with the Eminences and Useful Idiots or you haven’t read those “numerous past threads” carefully enough.
Which is it, O (?)New Commenter?
Or are you a Candidate Eminence?
Mary
“‘As I’ve said before I’ve lived a long time and never had to go to war, never had war come to me, never had famine, never had plague. How many more people in time or space can say that? I’m one of the luckiest people ever lived.’
You are lucky. Tell that to the victims of our offensive illegal wars on the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and to the relatives of thoser killed extra judicially in Somalia, Yemen, North Waziristan and other places.”
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Yes Mary, he IS lucky – that was the point he was making, DUH!
And that is why is it very silly to bring up Iraq or Afghanistan, where many people are less lucky.
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You’re being sillier than usual today. Is everthing alright?
If Scots MP’s can’t vote on English only matters in parliament, was it fair that Fred and other English folk voted in the Scottish referendum?
If English born votes had been discounted, Scotland would now be independent.
You shouldn’t be, for you did the right thing in trying to keep your country from falling apart. I congratulate you, and all the No voters of Scotland. The secessionists lost – end of story.
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Keep your country from falling apart, how so explain? An independent Scotland would have been one of the richest countries in the western world, even the Times newspaper and standard and Poors agreed.
Reading Craig’s blog and the comments on these boards I fear I may have sold my soul to a bunch of sociopaths. I voted NO and I have to admit I feel thoroughly ashamed- sullied even for having done so. I have no excuse, I’m well educated and used to think of myself as courageous, guided by morality, duty and care. Alas, come the day of the races when courage was all it took I failed, I failed myself, I failed my countrymen. I keep trying to justify my actions, however no justification can rid my mind of the feeling of betrayal I feel I’ve committed. It’s like Banquo’s ghost it’ll haunt me forever and I know it’ll never go away, I deserve it.
All I can offer is sorry!
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You’re not alone, many more no voters will regret voting no especially when Westminster defaults, on its new powers, and it will, David Cameron and Ed Miliband have both promised more austerity, and more poor Scots will suffer for years to come.
The troll is being as annoying and diversionary as usual so no change there.
I am fine and seeing very clearly through the lies and deceit.
I live in Scotland and I spoke for my beliefs and also it seems for the majority of Scots which is my right and if the people of the Home Counties don’t like that they can just fuck off and die.
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Now now Fred, don’t get your Union Jack knickers in a twist, BTW hows your bigoted George Square buddies doing, after beating up a wee kid and an old woman, Rule Britannia and all that shit.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/enough-is-enough/
Scotland needs a new, independent, impartial, balanced, national broadcaster and print media.
Scotland needs this now!
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NB There are 6 insulting and patronising comments in the last twelve from the same ‘contributor’.
For about 24 hours, I thought the vote was legit. Now I think it was rigged for the following reasons (yes I have seen the counting video – but that is only indicative and doesn’t actually prove much – if there were other similar examples then that would be much stronger evidence).
1. The 20% postal vote much too high
2. The turnout – much too high
3. No Exit Polls – Why…because The TV companies that usually pay for them – didn’t – because the knew the Exit Polls would show a massive difference from the result to be declared which could not be explained
4. The Bookies had the odds Far Too Strong…should have been much closer on all the objective evidence..but they knew what the result would be cos they knew the horse had been fixed.
5. An enormous amount of future oil revenue…come on..if not for that…no one in the English elite would really care…if Scotland was Independent or not. On something so important – they are not going to leave the result to democratic chance.
6. The #indyref twitter thing…Yes I understand that most old people who would probably vote No…wouldn’t use Twitter…but even so…it had Yes well ahead by about 3-1
7. Yes is far more psychologically attractive than no, particularly when it is concerning National identity – and particularly when it is concerning the character of The Scottish.
8. The Powers That Be – Really are that evil. Their neocon masters would be furious on a Yes result.
9. It can’t be that hard to bribe a critical percentage of the vote counters – many of who’m would be strongly politically motivated to bend it No too.
10. The Western World at the highest levels have become extremely corrupt. I wouldn’t trust these buggers an inch.
11. It simply doesn’t smell right.
What can anyone do about it…Nothing ..you are wasting your time trying…and will just be seen as bad losers…even by most of your own team. Don’t bother…they are not worth the effort. My kids were right when they defeated every argument I tried to get them to vote for the first time. They are not stupid.
Tony
Also noting that concurrently US has been introducing “sanctions” against Russian companies (oil sector). this clarifies the US position.
Peak oil theories not bearing fruits, it is now up close and personal capping of the oil wells with dynamite and a reduction of the amounts of oil on offer to the markets. Incidentally the markets which are created by the US in the US based on their fiat currency the dollar.
The formulae goes; friction of the war helps the price rises, that in turn are maintained by the rates of flow of oil, which in turn create a need for more dollars to be found to pay for the oil.
US prints the dollar as fast as it can and the world absorbs it, just to keep paying for ever more expensive energy. The wealth transfer pump empties the proceeds of the resources from without US into US pot. This in turn is recycled into more military spending and more wars to control the status quo.
Although the internal repression is yet another introduced measure to keep maintaining the status quo from the relevant domestic extremists (uppity citizens).
‘If Scots MP’s can’t vote on English only matters in parliament, was it fair that Fred and other English folk voted in the Scottish referendum?
If English born votes had been discounted, Scotland would now be independent.’
So juteman, does that mean all the touchy feely talk from ScotNats b4 thursday about ‘civic nationalism’ as opposed ethnic nationalism (which you are flirting with here) was a pile of old shite ? Do you think all foreign born Scottish residents should be denied the franchise, or just the English ones ?
I think we should be told.
I know it has been said here before, but if Ethnic Scots MPs had been barred from voting on English issues history would indeed be different
Habby: Have you ever heard of the principle of Karma? If you had, and imbibed it, you would neither have dismissed Tank Dempsey earlier, nor Mary for reminding us what has been done in our name.
That was the whole principle behind the “Not in my Name” campaign, we absolved ourselves from what they (the establishment) did with our money. To put it another way: “Forgive them O Lord for they do not know what they do.”
Cameron’s desire to remove Scottish MPs from votes on English issues was a mackerel to catch a shark. I disagree with Craig about this. MPs represent us the citizens of the UK at Westminster. we will not be curtailed by geographical location from being heard on important matters to the nation.
Cameron is angling on behalf of his nimby, putrid, narrow, Tory anti-Europe, pro Ukranian Nazi wing for freedom from the European legislature, Human Rights Law etc.
If you are an elected representative in the UK parliament you have a right to express your constituents views on any subject.
If you belong to Europe you have to accept that some of your policies represent a US and Zionist policy and not a european one.
Slime-bag Cameron always thinking about the interests of israel before the interests of the United Kingdom
The referendum result has made me feel sick at heart .. but this showing a unionist thug ripping a young girl’s Saltire from her hands is disgusting and disgraceful and makes me feel physically sick.
https://vine.co/v/OWPzrhni0Aj
Darling, Gordo, Cameroon, Cleggie, Milipede, BBC and Orange Lodge – a plague on all your houses.
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No need to wait for any British jurists to green-light another referendum
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/16010.pdf
Scots can vote to secede again any time they want.
N.B. Section IV(A) of Accordance with international law of the unilateral declaration of independence in respect of Kosovo, the part where it says, “If you inbred British pedo toffs don’t like it you can fuck off.”
“If Scots MP’s can’t vote on English only matters in parliament, was it fair that Fred and other English folk voted in the Scottish referendum?
If English born votes had been discounted, Scotland would now be independent.”
Racist.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
20 Sep, 2014 – 5:07 pm
“Actually, I do feel that you should forgive Craig his debt. Times are hard for everyone. Furthermore, it could be argued by some – for perversity on here is without limit – that giving the money to Palestinian charity would just be to subsidise Israel indirectly.”
The only reason for your statement above Habbabkuk, is that you, being an ardent Zionist, would hate to think £100 will be given to a Palestinian charity.
Perhaps you would rather the money be given to another “charity” the CST (Community Security Trust)for example, a Zionist organisation to which Michael Gove gave £1million of taxpayers money.
I have just been looking at some of the work of Laura Wadha whose video Craig linked to on the Why We Are Voting Yes post. She is extremely talented. This is her video about the Dundee skating rink. She captures the happiness of the children and young people, their exuberance and joy, and their skill and fitness. Sheer happiness. Watch in full screen.
http://laurawadha.com/figure-skating-2/
http://laurawadha.com/about/
Also recommend her film on the recent protest at Raytheon who supply weapons to Israel.
http://vimeo.com/103603549?from=outro-embed
Brilliant young woman.
https://vine.co/v/OWPzrhni0Aj
In fact this is actually evidence of robbery with violence. Has this Union Jack wielding thug been arrested?
The Daily Mail has more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762876/Union-flag-waving-demonstrators-make-Nazi-salute-Glasgow-victory-celebrations-Police-separate-rival-groups-tension-increases.html
Actually, I do feel that you should forgive Craig his debt. Times are hard for everyone. Furthermore, it could be argued by some – for perversity on here is without limit – that giving the money to Palestinian charity would just be to subsidise Israel indirectly.
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You’re so anti-Palestinian that, the above pathetic excuse, as to why not to donate to the Palestinian cause,is the worst I’ve ever had the misfortune to encountered, what a sad Zionist/Royalist tosser.
Juteman
“If Scots MP’s can’t vote on English only matters in parliament, was it fair that Fred and other English folk voted in the Scottish referendum?
If Scots MP’s can’t vote on English only matters in parliament, was it fair that Fred and other English folk voted in the Scottish referendum?
If English born votes had been discounted, Scotland would now be independent.
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Always willing to be corrected, but I was under the impression that the criterion for voting in the referendum – a criterion laid down by Mr Salmond (or at least laid down with his agreement) was that of residence in Scotland.
I have heard that, for instance, Poles with a certain residence in Scotland were eligible to vote.
If that is correct, then I fail to see what your problem is with Fred voting.
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As for your “If English born votes had been discounted, Scotland would now be independent”, you would have to provide figures to convince, and in any case the comment is nugatory.
Peacewisher
“Habby: Have you ever heard of the principle of Karma? If you had, and imbibed it, you would neither have dismissed Tank Dempsey earlier…”
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Did I comment on Tank Dempsey’s post?? Kindly refer.
Mr Scorgie
“The only reason for your statement above Habbabkuk, is that you, being an ardent Zionist, would hate to think £100 will be given to a Palestinian charity.”
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You must do better if you wish to increase your accuracy rating on this blog, Douglas.
Not an ardent Zionist and absolutely no objection to anyone giving money to any charity. Why should I?
Did my original comment by any chance pre-empt a comment you were going to make? 🙂
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Buy $, £, € anjd the shekel – dump rubles, renminbis, reals and rupees! You know it makes sense!
Sorry, Habby!
That’s the trouble with being a troll, you see. I’m sure you are quite different from anon1 but on a forum like this your bound to all be seen in the same light. But you don’t deny the comment to Mary. And the months before the Iraq invasion were totally unprecedented.
An open letter to the BBC’s Director General, written by Palestine solidarity activists, is calling for the removal of BBC journalist Anthony Reuben from all reporting on Palestine following the publication of an online article in which he attempts to sanitise Israel’s killing in Gaza.
Reuben is the BBC’s “Head of Statistics,” a role created in February, he claims in his Linkedin profile, specifically for him.
Writing as “Head of Statistics” in August, Reuben authored an article for the BBC website headlined “Caution needed with Gaza casualty figures.
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I’d never give the BBC a penny in TV licence money,between their false reporting on Gaza and the Scottish independence referendum its money well saved.
Good post’s Mary.
A few weeks ago I watched a short video uploaded by scriptonite. A small girl basically begging for her life, saying how she was not a terrorist and she did not want to be killed. This tiny emaciated young girl. I wonder how many people she had seen die around her.
How many more like her are slaughtered. I don’t think ill ever see things quite the same. When people support or deem it necessary or worthwhile for expanding power.
Our establishment is so debased, so utterly bereft of humanity It honestly makes me want to throw up.