It turns out that the CIA has realised for years that drone attacks are of very limited utility. Like so many of the injustices of the “War on Terror”, they are in fact a driver for armed hatred of the West, not least because they kill more civilians than targets.
But of course, the “war on terror” is very much about boosting the standing of politicians who are “fighting terror” on behalf of their citizens, and about boosting the ever-inflating powers – and budgets – of the security services. SO counterproductive measures are, paradoxically, the most attractive to those whose aim is not to obtain peace, but rather to maintain the concentration of power and finance consequent upon an eternal state of phoney war.
Rip Joe Cocker, seen him twice, well the second time, n Juarez mexico, he was so b;itzed tequila the concert was called off, he couldn’t walk anymore and we got our money back.
He lived his life to the full, can’t say much more, I liked his music and his singing came from deep down there. He was big in Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/joe-cocker-ist-tot-a-1010032.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2RHMGqbWk
“Have you got any other sources?”
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Re my last Post Anon you haven’t been paying attention, at all just about all other sources are pro-Israel.
You can try to discredit Press TV if you like that’s your prerogative.
“Well, yes, provided of course that it isn’t another fabrication as Anon suggests.”
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Habb
Ah Yes, I’m pretty sure Craig named this thread after you, he’s certainly encapsulated your essence with that name.
Do stop droning on Habb, everyone knows you’re an Israeli apologist.
“One cannot but admire your keen insight and profundity.”
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Thank You
Habb=itual liar.
I’ll take that as a compliment, and I’ll take a moment to bask in it, whilst you head to the gents toilet, to formulate on of your “Profound” thoughts that you professed to having on a previous thread.
PS Do make sure there’s enough loo roll to handle your formulated thoughts, otherwise it could get a bit messy.
On January 31, 2012, online newspaper Radio Free Europe reported that United States was the first country which developed UAV and has used it for both military and reconnaissance purposes in Pakistan, Somalia, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Ukraine. It claimed that the US has over 7,000 drones of different ranges. Israel, which received the technology from United States, is world’s No.2 producer and exporter of drones.
Several Latin American nations have recently shown their interest in Iran’s expertise in manufacturing unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) in fighting drug trafficking. Mexico’s deputy foreign minister José Antonio Meade discussed this possibility during his meeting with Iranian foreign minister Dr. Mohammad Jevad Zarif in September 2014.
http://rehmat1.com/2014/12/09/iran-provides-drone-technology-to-south-america/
Speaking of countries being first to develop stuff, the U.S. and Israel were the first to develop cyberattacks on another country’s infrastructure, with their joint Stuxnet attack on Iran. Somehow the Western media have forgotten about this in their reporting of the last few days.
Here’s a report Republic of Scotland that corroborates the Press TV report that the doubting Zionists amongst us prefer to disbelieve.
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Thanks Mary for the report.
Anon however is/was trying to pull my chain, and his sidekick Habb was/is lending a hand, I however enjoy mixing it with the likes of them, without giving them, the satisfaction of dancing to their tune.
You’ve got to expect flak from pro-Israeli supporters and apologists when you slate their regime.
More details about the pedophile ring(s) in the Daily Mail: Scotland Yard is probing five VIP paedophile rings after Labour MP hands in dossier naming six serving politicians and Lords:
Well it would seem that were the report true, and I have no reason to believe it is, we must take a careful look at the language. “Storming”, of course, implies some sort of assault on the Muslim and Jewish holy site.
Mary’s source, which seems to be using the PressTV report as its source, says “the settlers wandered around the compound and attempted to perform Talmudic rituals, but Muslim worshipers stood up to them”. I wouldn’t call that “storming”.
Now for the hard of understanding it may come as a surprise to learn that every time a Jew enters the al-Aqsa compound, it is described as “storming” by Jewish “settlers” on PressTV.
Hence they are able to churn out these stories on quite a regular basis. Such a disregard for the facts is a reflection of the pitiful state of PressTV’s reporting, rather than the alleged “Zionist” symapthies of the rest of the world’s media.
RoS
“You’ve got to expect flak from pro-Israeli supporters and apologists when you slate their regime.”
On the contrary, RoS, as a pro-Palestinian supporter I’m constantly on the look out for sloppy, pisspoor articles and research that would do our cause harm.
PressTV, FFS. Are you a Zionist infiltrator?
Lysias
“Speaking of countries being first to develop stuff, the U.S. and Israel were the first to develop cyberattacks on another country’s infrastructure, with their joint Stuxnet attack on Iran. Somehow the Western media have forgotten about this in their reporting of the last few days.”
I think Russia (Estonia, Georgia Azerbaijan) and China were carrying out cyber attacks on other countries, as well as Nato, long before that, Lysias.
Very many videos from various sources showing Israeli settlers invading the Al Aqsa mosque.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=settlers+storm+aqsa&gws_rd=cr&ei=-peYVMfxEoOp7AaUqoHIAQ#q=settlers+storm+aqsa&tbm=vid
The striking thing about the report itself is that they never gave a thought to whether or not extra-judicial killing of this sort was legal. They seemed to take for granted that whatever way they wanted to kill or disappear you it was okey-dokey. The only question was, What does it accomplish?
You see this approach percolate into popular discourse when media discussions of torture invariably need to answer the pointless question, Did it work? Not a word about the logically prior question: Did the circumstances justify torture? or the only answer: No.
“Invading the al Aqsa mosque”
That’s a good one, Mary. Considering a job with PressTV?
New York Times editorial calls for prosecuting the Bush administration officials involved in the torture. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html?ref=opinion&_r=2&assetType=opinion
The reason Obama won’t do this is because doing so would make himself vulnerable for a later prosecution of himself for the drones.
Hanukkah symbol in the Mosques.
The Deobandi mosque behind my house, the one that spies on my internet activity even though spying is forbidden in the Qur’an has a representation of a candle in wood next to the mimba/dais.
In Gnostic or Sufi tradition this light represents a Supreme Being behind and above Allah, Allah merely being the Creator. The Sufi method for seeking the real Supreme Being is by castigating the Nafs/desires and discovering the inner light inside our souls.
On discovering this inner light, according to Sufi/Gnostic traditions, you will become directly connected to the Supreme Being and rise, God forgive the enourmity of the concept, over Allah, thus excusing you from worshipping Him.
The Deobandi imams dare to ignore the repeated command in the Qur’an not to spy on people. Privacy is such an important matter in Islam and the imams ride roughshod over your privacy in order to listen to what you are saying in private to your family.
Both the Qur’an and the Gospels state that what is in the heart will manifest itself in your actions. if the Deobands think they are higher than Allah, as represented by the dodgy candles, and the flame shape on the front of their prayer caps, that would explain why they think they can disobey and negate the word of Allah, the Qur’an.
It would also explain why they grovel to the local MP who is one of New Labour’s torture cabinet under Blair and Gordon Brown.
Our prophet, may God’s peace and mercy be upon him was informed by Allah that if he ommitted one word from what he had been instructed to pass on it would have been as if he had cancelled all his teaching. Why does the mosque think they can abrogate some verses of the Qur’an?
The ignorance of the deobandi Imams comes from the deep subversions of Islam under the British Raj. But what is happening today is far worse. The West and Israel continue the process of subverting the true message of Islam in mosques of the Salafis, Ahle Hadeeth, and Muslim Brotherhood.
Whole countries like Libya and Syria are taken over by ignorant thugs trained by the West and they have replaced the old imams who follow the teachings of the Qur’an.
The infringements into Masjid Al Aqsa are physical but the current subversion of the message of Islam by Al Qaida alias the Muslim Brotherhood go far deeper into the hearts of Muslims.
The Deobandi imams are a bunch of perverts who think they are serving God by spying on the Muslims of conscience. They only deceive themselves. They only serve the interests of the USUKIS enemies of Islam, and they are hoping for the rewards for their sinful actions in the form of concessions from UK plc power. Money, power, bums on seats of authority.
We call it Qiyanat, and God does not like the doers of Qiyanat, selling their Muslim Brothers and Sisters for a miserable worldly reward. Sigh, not everyone in the mosque understands anything about Islam. The imams are steeped in deepest ignorance.
Finally, the really odious aspect of these terrible people is that they use the prayer of ‘Eesa/ Jesus pbuh to grant the disciples a miraculous spread of food, while they know that the benefits they receive in this world life are all through lying politics and sucking up to western politicians.
Once the West has subverted the Muslims there is no limit to their ability to deceive themselves. And the process of self-deception continues like fire through the propagation of terror in the Muslim world.
Speaking of drone attacks and the Power of Nightmares channelled me to the event horizon to learn that Balfour complied with a Weizmann nihilistic provision to supply abundant acetone for cordite explosive in exchange for Eretz Yisrael.
Does that register with your conscious?
New Wikileakes release;
“The CIA has carried out kidnappings from European Union states, including Italy and Sweden, during the Bush administration. These manuals show that under the Obama administration the CIA is still intent on infiltrating European Union borders and conducting clandestine operations in EU member states”
https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.html
A lot of articles surrounding the Sony hacking issue gathered here;
http://fabiusmaximus.com/2014/12/20/rebuttal-holes-fbi-north-korea-sony-attack-74873/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Weizmann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
I use acetone for brazing. It’s volatile in the presence of oxygen.These guys had war on the brain.
Mark Golding
The proponents of political Islam regarded employment by the CIA as an opportunity to secure power for Islam through service to Zionism. They were subsequently tortured because their employers required them to undergo personality change and remodelling.
They should remind themselves of the words of the arch zionist Henry Kissinger: ” People should not confuse covert operations with social services.”
All of those political minds who engage with zionist power in order to further their own ends, such as President of Kurdistan Regional Government, Barzani, who signed for Islamic State to attack Mosul, pick up 3 million pounds , take US vehicles and weapons and attack Baghdad with whom he had created a disagreement over oil sales to Turkey, or the exiled leader Mullah Krekar who also signed for the removal of the Yazidis from their mountain as part of the deal…
All of them would do well to remember the words of Henry Kissinger. “People should not confuse covert operations with social services. ”
The volatility of the acetone when it mixes with the oxygen and ignites into a jet of flame is a powerful symbol for the playing with fire of Political Islam. Barzani is not a man who gives the impression that he knows what he’s doing. he doesn’t care how many of his citizens are burned.
per your entry Macky;
Five-eyes have it all wired. The Sony Hack just another false flag to gin up the population. I expect those NK servers are gonna charred quite soon..
““The situation now is they are totally offline,” Madory said. “I don’t know that someone is launching a cyber-attack against North Korea, but this isn’t normal for them. Usually they are up solid. It is kind of out of the ordinary. This is not like anything I’ve seen before.””
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-22/north-korea-undergoing-internet-outage-network-researcher-says.html
A raft of techies seriously doubt the cover story.
http://gawker.com/a-lot-of-smart-people-think-north-korea-didnt-hack-sony-1672899940
NK and the Boogie man canard has a familiar smell.
OOOGA BOOGA!
“Hacker Grugq makes an excellent point that laying this on North Korea is incredibly convenient, Lets Blame Our Perennial Adversary! He points out that we know how North Korea does this kind of stuff, and this is very different. “This is a media blitz campaign by a group that is steeped in Internet culture and knows how to play to it. They can manipulate it to maximum effect. This is definitely far more sophisticated than the usual rhetoric from North Korea.” And Jericho lays out a detailed case that nothing anyone has said comes anywhere near to convincing us that this was North Korea, Anatomy of a NYT Piece on the Sony Hack and Attribution. (Leave it to a hacker to do a better job capitalizing headlines than The Washington Post.)
http://franklycurious.com/wp/2014/12/22/we-dont-know-if-north-korea-is-the-sony-hacker/
@Macky: This one’s a corker! Sony has been hacked 50 times in 15 years, and it appears that the administrator password was easily accessible to anyone who knows a bit about hacking:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/12/13/sony-hacked-its-not-one-massive-breach-its-more-than-50-breaches-in-15-years/
But no, it had to be North Korea, and this is cyber warfare! Even though no one has been harmed, and the only ones to suffer are Sony…
Wow !
Sony involved in corruption, and has been busy making lots of enemies, no wonder the North Koreans think they know who is doing the hacking;
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141212/12142629419/leaked-emails-reveal-mpaa-plans-to-pay-elected-officials-to-attack-google.shtml
Double Wow iro MH370 !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html
If this is true, it would explain rather a lot !
Really hoping that history is not repeating itself here, but this is very ominous;
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30584891
Will it take another Kristallnacht before people start to realise the dangers of whipping up hatred towards refugees, immigrants & Moslems in general ?
@Macky: The US seems to have shut down much of the Internet in North Korea, presumably by inciting their own hackers to mount a cyber attack on that country. Obama’s speech would have contributed it this. WTF are they doing deflecting the blame from Sony onto a state they don’t like. What has North Korea done to them?
Macky
I’m sick of going to against these people, and they spit oot their Crap with such venom… Cos the bbc told em so…and it;s always – ” So. How do YOU Know you’re source’s are correct… i found a solid way put that nonsense to the bin
And talking of Bins…
Heartfelt Thoughts to Glagow.
i meant bin truck .sorry.
Peacewisher:
“But no, it had to be North Korea, and this is cyber warfare! Even though no one has been harmed, and the only ones to suffer are Sony…”
Not so much false flag as false eyelashes. Obama dresses as widow twanky for the annual Xmas pantomime.
I missed the chance to pay my respects to Joe Cocker on the previous thread. As a man whose alarm clock used to be Led Zeppelin, I have to pay tribute to that generation of rock stars who embodied the search for truth and freedom in my youth.
For me, they broke the grey power of authority, the grey men in grey suits who taught this present generation of torturing war criminals and banking fraudsters how to play the sick political games of the elites. RIP.