I was involved in the organisation of the 50th anniversary commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz, while First Secretary at the British Embassy in Warsaw. The 50th did not receive anything like the media coverage given to the 70th, of which more later.
Senior British visitors to Poland invariably included a concentration camp on their itinerary, and from escorting people around I visited camps a great deal more often than I would have wished. I found the experience appalling and desolate. The first I ever saw was Majdanek and I recall that I just had to sit helpless and shivering for some time. One thing the experience left me with – including meeting survivors and both Polish and German eye-witnesses, and seeing the architects’ plans for camps – was a contempt for those who claim the whole thing did not happen, or was an accident, or was small scale.
It in no way diminishes the genocidal attack on the Jews to remember that a vast number of Poles also died in the camps, as well as gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled and disparate political prisoners. I tried sometimes to diminish the horror I felt at involvement with the camps, with attempts at humour. I was present at a meeting listing the guests of honour; the President of Lithuania was included. I whispered that he was coming to represent the camp guards. That was offensive, and I apologise. But there is a real problem that to this day Eastern Europe – including Poland itself – has not come to terms with historical truth about collaboration with anti-Jewish genocide and other attacks on minorities. I recommend this website, which tackles these issues very honestly and is well worth a lengthy browse.
It requires bigotry not to be able to understand why nationalist resistance movements against Russian occupation became allied with Germany during World War II. That would be reprehensible only in the same sense that allied collaboration with Stalin might be reprehensible, but for the added factor of enthusiastic collaboration with genocidal and master race programmes and fascist ideology. That is what makes the glorification of Eastern European nationalist figures from this period generally inappropriate.
I fear however that the real reason that the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz received so much more coverage than the 50th is a media desire to reinforce the narrative of the War on Terror and Western policy in the Middle East by invoking the spectre of massive anti-Semitism. There have been isolated but deplorable, apparently anti-Semitic attacks of a small-scale terrorist nature in France and Belgium in recent years. But to conflate this into stories of a wave of popular anti-Semitism in Europe is a nonsense. Maureen Lipman’s claim that she may have to leave the UK is not just silly but disingenuous. I do not believe she feels in personal danger of attack – there is absolutely no reason why she should – she is rather making a political point.
There are two factors which could exacerbate anti-Semitism at present. One is the appalling behaviour of Israel and its indefensible action in continually seizing Palestinian land and using its military superiority to dominate and occasionally massacre Palestinians. Regrettably, there are a very small minority of people who wrongly blame Jews in general for the actions of Israel.
The second factor is of course the terrible economic hardship wrought across the whole world by irresponsible banking practices, and the fact that the bankers luxury lifestyles were maintained at the cost of everybody else. There are still a tiny minority of people stuck in the medieval mindset associating banking with the Jewish community. There is in fact a very plausible argument that if any “race” has a disproportionate influence on the development and character of international banking since the mid eighteenth century, it is the Scots! But those who see banking as a racial issue are nutters.
You could construct an argument from these factors, and you could identify that anti-Semitic people do exist. They certainly do. They dominate the very small category of people who get banned even from this free speech blog. But are their opinions intellectually respectable, promoted in the mainstream or able to be expressed openly without fear of either social or legal consequences? No, no and no. Anti-semites are fortunately a tiny and strange minority. I might add that in my numerous and frequent social contacts in the British Muslim community, I have never encountered anti-Semitism (unlike, say, Poland and Russia where I encountered casual anti-Semitism quite frequently).
The final point, is of course, the conflation of anti-zionism with anti-Semitism. That seems to me the fundamental design of the media campaign exaggerating the scale of anti-Semitism at the moment. Yes, we must always remember the terrible warnings from history and it is right to remember those who died in the concentration camps, Jewish, Polish, Romany, Gay, Communist or any other category. But we should be aware of those who wish to manipulate the powerful emotions of horror thus evoked, for present objectives of the powerful.
Imran Nazar Hosein seems quite interesting; he’s into interpreting contempory events as fulfilment of prophecy, but at least and he’s critical of the Saudi power structure. He has a website:
http://www.imranhosein.org/
Hugh Akins seems to be a Catholic religious nutter who blames everything on “the Jew” (yes, singular to refer to people plural – always a bad sign). I won’t link to his website.
KingOfWelshNoir, two or three years ago I looked long and hard for any evidence to support chemtrails, and found one test of a single rainwater sample in the US that probably hadn’t been carried out properly, and site after site after site of pictures of criss-cross vapour trails with vague allusions to something unknown but very scary being done by the US government. I concluded it was hysteria, nothing more.
I found some documentation of atmospheric tests with radioactive tracer substances. It was unethical, but it was a short programme in Norfolk decades ago, not a massive ongoing conspiracy to contaminate commercial jet fuel with unknown (yet apparently known to be harmful) substances.
Thanks for finding the Lobster article which I’ll read later. Despite Scouse Billy’s insults, I do look into things and I try to keep an open mind.
Soused Billy denies writing the following:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/01/auschwitz/comment-page-2/#comment-506062
Spin away, oh Soused one.
Scouse Billy: Thanks for the link
Clark: Let me know how you get on, the article struck me as of a different order of seriousness to the usual websites. I’d be interested to hear what you think.
KingOfWelshNoir, I think widespread, frequent chemtrailing, as the theorists claim, would be exceedingly unlikely to go undetected. Atmospheric sampling and testing for pollutants must go on at universities, weather stations and government departments every day. Frequent and widespread samples have been taken to monitor the Fukushima explosions, for instance. Governments want to know whether neighbouring countries are polluting their atmosphere.
Masses of science quietly proceeds all around us all the time. Most of it is quite unsensational, just professionals doing their unglamorous jobs. I doubt Scouse Billy has much respect for them or the services they perform for all of us.
Oh – perhaps Soused Billed means, by “started”, his first contribution to this thread. Not the first mentions in this thread of vaccines, and global climate change, which SB introduced to the discussion.
Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, he’d confessed his “love” for Spivey prior to that post, while pushing his other conspiracy ravings.
Of course, if some of these mundane scientific professionals detect something that might help to confirm one of Scouse Billy’s unconventional theories, he’ll change his tune immediately. That’s why I call him dishonest; he quotes science when it suits him, but he’ll even rubbish fundamental science when it argues against him.
Note that Scouse Billy rubbished all vaccination:
But his actual argument was essentially to try to establish that one vaccine causes autism.
Just trying to knock chips off science. While leaving what? The Faith of the Great Scouse Billy?
This thread seems to have taken a funny turn and interesting to note that Habba does not seem interested.
Anyway, are we moving onto chemtrails? I don’t know. I couldn’t remember how they were when I was a child, only that they certainly lasted for some time and so I observed some and there sure do seem to be some jet trails that last a short time and others that last considerably longer. You have to spend a lot of time sunbathing or in the pool to observe this. Does it mean anything? I don’t know.
“This is like a re-run of the indie referendum. One side is supplying information and the other side is offering only negativity.”
But the information the Nationalists gave us was wrong. Haven’t you realised that yet? What they said wasn’t true.
Clark, the author of the article doesn’t go near the usual nonsense but concerns him (her?) self entirely with documented USAAF technologies being currently utilised to make good on their aim of ‘Owning the weather by 2025’. Most of them seem to involve injecting various things into the sky. If even 5% of what he cites is happening, it is pretty alarming. It seems quite plausible to me that ordinary people started noticing some of this and a load of websites sprung up to deliberately mislead and talk a load of tosh about spraying poisons to wipe us all out. Thereby ensuring that no sensible person would give the chemtrailers the time of day.
KOWN, David Lim (Reading Univ) gave a presentation on chemtrails a while back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-zRREd8DZQ
Off to have my brain tested – see y’all 🙂
KOWN: I looked at chem-trails too a few years back, but found little but unsupported assertion and wild speculation. Will take a look at your link, though – thanks. Just because raving lunatics disparage the grieving parents at Sandy Hook, for example, it does not mean there are no genuinely odd things going on, which the PTB would rather be dismissed. Said lunatics are doing the devil’s work on a number of fronts.
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Incidentall, this website provides a US body-count of the success of the likes of Soused Billy. The victims – nearly all children – are little badges of honour in their disinformation campaign. I bet this stuff gets them very excited, if not sexually aroused:
http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
Tested for what, SB? I thought you didn’t believe in medicine – it just being a scam to kill patients, an’ all.
Fool, 8:13 pm; vapour trails evaporate at different rates depending upon atmospheric conditions. Yeah, it’s nice by the pool…
Fred, 8:16 pm; there was truth, propaganda, distortion and lies from both sides, not just one. You just added to it with that very comment.
KingOfWelshNoir, 8:18 pm; I’m sure the US military certainly is doing that sort of thing; I’ve followed links to some of the documents where they stated that they intended to develop such abilities. It’s basically unthinkable that they wouldn’t.
But the chemtrail theorists were citing ordinary vapour trails from civilian passenger and cargo aircraft. They showed one picture of a load of gas bottles on a runway waiting to be loaded onto a cargo plane and said this proved there was a conspiracy. Just hyped up nonsense and FUD. But, as you wrote…
Exactly, and this is the disservice Scouse Billy and the like perform – just seize upon any conspiracy theory and spread it to the gullible as much, as far and as fast as possible. Pollute the mostly factual Craig Murray’s site with rumour and innuendo, so it can be said “oh no one sensible takes that Murray bloke seriously, just a load of crazy conspiracy theorists; just look at who comments there…”
Glenn, 9:07 pm; sobering link; thanks.
Which leads me to ask, Scouse Billy, are there any contrarian theories that you don’t believe, or any that you’ve managed to disprove? I mean, you’ve never mentioned any such, and you’d think that at least some would be false. What about that bin-wagon, for instance?
Oh God, Scouse Billy’s video is one hour twenty-three minutes. Written documentation barely figures in Billy’s world. It just all takes so long.
But straight away we have this. Billy wrote:
But the video’s opening notice says:
My emphasis.
“Fred, 8:16 pm; there was truth, propaganda, distortion and lies from both sides, not just one. You just added to it with that very comment.”
Brent crude $55 a barrel.
Looks like you alter reality to suite what you want to believe as well.
Scouse Billy’s video is a lecture about geoengineering; I got thirteen minutes in before any evidence was presented, but it does look promising. For those who’d rather read, I got the following term from the video and searching Wikipedia led to the linked page, which has many links to other pages with references.
The Solar Radiation Management Governance Initiative – funded by the Royal Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_geoengineering
Clark, thanks. I will continue my occasional observations, try to take note of the atmospheric conditions and revert with my anecdotal interim conclusions on jet trails in 6 months or so.
Most things are of course a conspiracy (which is why conspiracy * is such an easy criminal charge) but nonetheless Clarke (9.44) and KOWR (8.18) are spot on with their comments above. Some people are scientific, or think they are, but most of us have some sort of instinct to know if something is apparently on or off the mark. That instinct unfortunately is very often nothing more than a radar to assess whether what is being said generally accords with other existing norms. We are all lacking in real objective powers of independent thought and are always looking for some sort of kite mark to give us a steer. Some of need it to be said on the BBC. Others want to hear it from someone who is like them. Craig’s site is popular because he used to be an ambassador and that (rightly or wrongly) gives him some credibility. I don’t protest if people post here in such a way as to undermine that credibility, but yes it would be a shame because there is so much bull hit online already. So I can see why some might want to undermine Carig’s blog.
(* If almost everything illegal is usually some sort of a conspiracy then that is even more so if you use the term joint venture instead. Its ironic because JV sounds like a formal partnership but in criminal terms it just means you were then when another did the deed and if you had thought about it you should of known X might have done that eg if X&Y&Z were in a JV to kill Bill, X killed him and though Z&Y didn’t conspire to kill they were with X at the time and should have known that X might have gone and done something like that. X Y & Z all go to prison for a long time. Who needs this word conspiracy when you can allege joint venture – i.e. even if service X didn’t conspire with service Y they should have known so what were they doing together etc etc).
Hhm I might need the services of a proof reader before I post again; so many typos in my last post.
http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/virtualarchive/items.php?item=2390601002
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
From 1974 to 2025 both links from wiki on weather warfare
25 minutes in, David Lim is showing photos of different contrails, saying that some are normal vapour trails and others are chemtrails. However, he is presenting no evidence for these assertions.
38 minutes in, he’s listed a whole range of chemicals he says are being sprayed into the atmosphere, and effects measured in the soil. But he hasn’t presented any more documentary evidence since about 15 minutes in; this is now unsubstantiated assertion. The chemicals he lists presumably have many origins. He hasn’t said how much of the various chemicals would be required for the effects he’s claiming.
The science has been poor. He asserted that “normal” vapour trails dissipate, and showed some persistent trails and some that lingered, but he never showed any science to back this up. I think I remember persistent trails from my youth but I could be mistaken. I seem to remember being curious as to why some trails dissipated and others lingered.
I’m giving up to get to bed soon; I’ve watched 38 minutes. If this video continues like this, it’s not going to prove much at all. So far, if Lim was really trying to analyse properly and prove something, he could have done a much better job.
A look at the Royal Society’s budget could be revealing.
Fool, 10:56 pm:
It’s more than that, though. Having worked on the inside, he “knows the code” and can tell us the more direct meanings of bland, sanitised government announcements. Craig still has many of his old contacts. People still working within the FCO and security services pass things on to him; they effectively use him as a conduit for leaks, which is less of a risk to their own careers. Plus Craig has lots of new contacts through being a whistle-blower, such as the Sam Adams Award people. He also still communicates with others in the know, such as the ambassador in France whom he visited over New Year.
Clarke, you are not going to find it.
Professor Gordon J F MacDonald then of Dartmouth (formerly at the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California) gave evidence to the 1974 US Senate weather modification hearing and in so doing made reference to his 1966 article How to Wreck The Environment in which he had anticipated how geo weapons might result in peace and nuclear global stability, or on the other hand “geophysical weapons may be part of each nations armory. As I will argue these weapons are particularly suited for covert or secret wars.”
Yes, I appreciate what Craig’s background brings. Peter Dale Scott’s as well.
Well I’m back from my brain test – my team won our quiz match.
And modesty would normally forbid, but I top scored so brain all ok 🙂
Ah, Fool – you ill not be disappointed by that Loussier CD it’s very good indeed.
Here’s a little “blue” Mozart for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5Se0mSoTA
Grant Green -those were the days.