There is no question to which the answer is to wander round killing people. It takes a few words or keystrokes for any right thinking person to condemn the killings in Paris today. But that really doesn’t take us very far.
It is impossible to stop evil from happening. Simple low tech attacks by individuals, a kind of DIY terrorism, cannot always be pre-empted. If you try to do so universally, you will end up even further down the line we have gone down in the UK, where people are continually arrested and harassed who have no connection to terrorism at all, often for bragging on websites. These non-existent foiled terrorist plots are a risible feature of British politics nowadays. Every now and then one hits the headlines, like the arrests just before Remembrance Day. Their defining characteristic is that none of those arrested have any means of terrorism – 99% of those arrested for terrorism in the UK in the last decade – possessed no weapon and no viable explosive device.
In fact the only terrorist in the last year convicted in the UK, who possessed an actual bomb – a very viable explosive device indeed, was not charged with terrorism. He was a fascist named Ryan McGee who had a swastika on his wall and hated Muslims. Hundreds of Muslims with no weapons are locked up for terrorism. A fanatical anti-Muslim with a bomb is by definition not a terrorist.
I am assuming that the narrative that Charlie Hebdo was attacked by Islamists is correct, though that remains to be proved. For argument, let us assume the official narrative is true and the killings were by Muslims outraged at the magazine’s depictions of the Prophet Mohammed.
It is essential to free speech that it includes the freedom to offend. That must include the freedom to offend religious belief. Without such freedoms, the values of societies would freeze. Much social progress has caused real anguish and offence to some people. To have stopped Charlie Hebdo by law would have been wrong. To stop them by bullets is beyond any mitigation.
But that doesn’t make the unfortunate deceased heroes, and President Hollande was wrong to characterise them as such. Being murdered does not make you a hero. And being offensive is not necessarily noble. People who are persistently and vociferously offensive are often neither noble nor well-motivated. Much of Charlie Hebdo‘s taunting of Muslims was really unpleasant. That they also had Christian and other targets did not make this any better. It is not Private Eye – it is a magazine with a much nastier edge. I defend the right of Charlie Hebdo to publish whatever it wants. But once the shock dies off, I do hope a more realistic assessment of whether Charlie Hebdo was entirely admirable or not may be possible. This in no way excuses the dreadful murders.
The ability to say things that offend is an important attribute of a free society. Richard Dawkins may offend believers. Peter Tatchell may offend homophobes. Pussy Riot offended Putin and the Orthodox Church. This must not be stopped.
But that must cut both ways. Abu Qatada broke no British laws in his lengthy stay in the UK, but was demonised for things he said (or even things newspapers invented he had said). Most of the French who are today in solidarity for freedom of expression, are against people being able to express themselves freely in what they wear. The security industry who are all over TV today want to respond to this attack on freedom of expression by more controls on the internet!
I condemn, you condemn, we all condemn, and so we should. But the amount of nuanced thought in the mainstream media is almost non-existent. What will now happen is that conservative commentators will rip individual phrases from this article and tweet them to show I support terrorism. The lack of nuanced thought is a reflection of a general atmosphere of anti-intellectualism which has poisoned public life in modern western society.
Here you are referring to the Brussels area supermarket killings of the 1980s (still unsolved, by the way).
Well, I happen to know something about them and the reactions, and I can assure you that no one in Belgium, neither at the time nor since, blamed them on the “Reds”. On the contrary, the theory that these were attacks by an extreme right wing group was aired very early on.
Come on Habby, don’t be coy about what you ‘know’, the ‘extreme right wing group’ alleged to be connected to the Brabant killings was this ‘private militia’-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_New_Post
The ‘former no2’ in this short lived outfit worked for NATO, and their leader came to a sticky end in a very dubious ‘suicide’.
In other words this ‘extreme right wing group’ has ‘Strategy of Tension’ fingerprints all over it.
@James 9 Jan 2015 – 11.46 pm
“Thats for the links….but I don’t understand that person. Is he speaking English ?
And why is it all “abot gan cuntrol” ????”
Typical nitpicker…don’t concentrate on the EVIDENCE just come out with drivel. Funny how the rest of us can understand what he is saying and the reason he is saying it is about gun control is because that is what is about in the US. These “victims families” and the companies they work for are all working to disarm the American people because that is what is standing in the way of the Elites bringing in their New World Order DICTATORSHIP is the fact that most of the people there are armed and will fight back whereas we have been disarmed and have no way of fighting back against these tyrants and their useful idiot drones who police and soldier for THEM and who are all quite happily beavering away bringing in this police state/dictatorship agenda on behalf of their Elite masters to the detriment of their own families, friends and countries.
All of those who think that this French “terrorist farce” is real should look at all Chris Spivey’s EVIDENCE where he has PROVED that the Lee Rigby Woolwich soldier murder was a massive hoax carried out by the UK Government to do the EXACT same thing as this farce in France – generate hatred against the Muslims and try and get us and them fighting against each other – You can see all of the EVIDENCE of these actors carrying this out at the right hand side of the following link under Woolwich/Lee Rigby.
Anyone relying on TV and Newspapers for the truth is just going to spend their life wallowing in ignorance and the same goes for listening to, following or voting for political parties as they are ALL controlled by these same Elites.
Forgot the Chris Spivey link above:
http://chrisspivey.org/
Saudi Arabia,
A blogger convicted of insulting Islam, has been flogged 50 times, in the city of Jeddah.
The same blogger was sentenced to 10 years in prison, for criticising, Saudi Arabia’s powerful clerics, on a liberal blog he founded.
I see no rush from the UN or NATO, to stop these barbaric and unjust sentences occurring in Saudi Arabia, nor do I see UNESCO up in arms to have over zealous punishment by the Saudi’s stopped.
It would appear the west picks and chooses who to help, by how much value they have to the west.
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Pakistan,
A 52 year old man has been shot dead, in Pakistan by Pakistani’s for blasphemy, his bullet ridden body was found yesterday.
His medical records show the man, had mental health problems.
Is there any real difference between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, when it comes to blasphemy laws?
Whilst checking out possible music to complement tomorrow’s victory/solidarity/marche rèpublicaine/parade, I came upon this gem, by Jake Burns. It reminds me of the time that I was ambushed on the Mourne Mountains by some bushes with armalites! “are you from east Belfast or west Belfast?” the lead squaddie asked, “Neither,” I replied, “I’m neutral, from Chelmpsford” – have a nice holiday nodded the guys with weapons…
In the 2014 US$5B information war: (4000+ casualties in Europe);
Multi-billion$ 2011 externally funded attack on the admittedly dreadful Syrian regime (200000+ casualties in Middle East);
plus all the other seemingly illegal US$ funded meddlings;
I consider myself also “neutral” neither pro-Putin, nor anti-American – but ANNOYED, that the presumably illegal international meddling is now being conducted in such a crass, overt/non-hidden way, that it drags informed neutrals in to ‘save the world’ by typing terrorism related ramblings on Craig’s blog.
Anyway, back to this excellent music, which is particularly apt as the marching song of the covert battalions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkYCj0BvyRc
Re my above comment, just to keep things balanced, (as they should be).
Russia.
Putin has banned transgender people from driving, the Russian authorities claim, transgender people have medical impediments and ergo they cannot drive properly.
Human Rights activists have condemned the decision, and I agree with them.
Mods Could these unpleasant references to me be deleted please. I am being denigrated by Jemand and Habbabkuk in their little chats. Habbabkuk repeats everyone’s comment for added effect I assume. They are wrong on a couple of counts incidentally. If I have nothing to say or contribute, I stay off.
These are the references to ‘Jihad Mary’.
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Please send my regards to the old witch, Mary.
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Clark is a phoney and an arrogant wanker who can’t admit when he’s wrong. He is so invested in his image here amongst his ‘friends’ that he cannot back down because of that single character flaw. Notice how he and his buddies, who normally express outrage at the loss of human life, say nothing the loss of innocents. Jihad Mary is conspicuous by her welcome absence.
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“Jihad Mary is conspicuous by her welcome absence.”
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Yes, I’d noticed that as well.
But, hey, she’s probably working on her next post(s) about Zionism or OUR NHS.
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I should expect then, that you approve of Clark’s solid endorsement of this blog’s resident Jew-hater, the irrepressible cut-n-paster, Jihad Mary. (note how she doesn’t make appearances on threads that cause her embarrassment)
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“I should expect then, that you approve of Clark’s solid endorsement of this blog’s resident Jew-hater, the irrepressible cut-n-paster, Jihad Mary. (note how she doesn’t make appearances on threads that cause her embarrassment)”
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I have indeed noticed.
But to be fair, she might be unwell at the moment.
(Has she been posting on Squonk? I can’t tell because as you know, I’m banned from there and can’t access the blog).
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Yes tell Habbabkuk that he is spot on above. I left a comment on two on the Unvarnished Truth which seems to have disappeared and later in the morning developed breathing pronlems again. Fine now which will disappoint these trolls.
I don’t know about “represents a failure of the French Muslim community from which they sprang”, ignoring of course the fact they never were and never will be taken through the courts and their guilt or even involvement proven or not. The failure of the US, Saudi, Quatari etc. backed mercenary jihadist ‘community ‘ from which they sprang was a far greater influence on them I would say. Yesterday they were the ‘moderate Syrian rebels’ that Hague, Rifkind and Cameron fawned over and Netanyahu kissed better in Israeli hospitals, today they are disowned by these same mentors and masters. They can’t have it both ways.
This is a post I put up on the Unvarnished Truth thread.
Freedland is twisting the affair with a connection to the activities of the Nazis and pre-war Germany.
Charlie Hebdo: first they came for the cartoonists, then they came for the Jews
Of course the Paris killers targeted a kosher supermarket: they’re a fascist death cult fighting a dirty little war
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/09/charlie-hebdo-cartoonists-paris-killers-fascist-death-cult
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Jonathan Cook wrote about Freedland’s part in the removal of the blogger Nafeez Ahmed who dared to write about the Israeli theft of Palestinian offshore gas.
‘And then there is the Jonathan Freedland factor, as Ahmed also notes (including by citing some of my previous criticisms of him). One should not personalise this too much. Freedland, an extremely influential figure at the paper, is a symptom of a much wider problem with the Guardian’s coverage of Israel.
Freedland is a partisan on Israel, as am I. But I get to write a blog and occasional reports tucked away in specialist and Arab media in English. Freedland and other partisans for Israel at the paper get to reinforce and police an already highly indulgent attitude towards Israel’s character (though not the occupation) across the coverage of one of the most widely read papers in the world. Given that Israel’s character, as a colonial settler state, is the story, the Guardian effectively never presents more than a fraction of the truth about the conflict. Because it never helps us understand what drives Israeli policy, it – along with the rest of the media – never offers us any idea how the conflict might be resolved.
And this is where Ahmed tripped up. Because his piece, as the Guardian’s editors doubtless quickly realised, implicated Israel’s character rather than just its policies. It violated a Guardian taboo.’
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-12-04/why-the-guardian-axed-nafeez-ahmeds-blog/
You think it’s 2015, but it’s 1436…
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/supporters-fear-saudi-blogger-will-not-survive-weekly-public-flogging
As with Israel, our commercial interests greatly transcend any ethical considerations whatever. So it’s convenient for our leaders to go along with mediaeval rulers and land thieves in the ME.
One of our leaders:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade
Another:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2012/jan/13/david-cameron-saudi-arabia-visit
By our collaboration, we endorse them.
It may even be the case that this widely-publicised sentence is intended to signal that Saudi Arabia’s regime is spiritually aligned with what happened in Paris.
PS – http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/saudi-israeli-alliance-forged-blood-601611381
Republicofscotland: Have you got a link for the extraordinary claim in repect to Transgender people, Russia and driving, it seems highly improbable.
Mike D on Medialens hits the nail on the head with this link.
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Paris Shooters Just Returned from NATO’s Proxy War in Syria
Posted by MikeD on January 10, 2015, 12:21 pm
Have you noticed how this point that was mentioned in many MSM reports early on has disappeared from the current media narrative? Doesn’t fit neatly with “story”.
Paris Shooters Just Returned from NATO’s Proxy War in Syria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/paris-shooters-just-returned-from-natos-proxy-war-in-syria/5423517
…USA Today would report in an article titled, “Manhunt continues for two French terror suspects,” that:
The suspects are two brothers — Said, 34, and Cherif Kouachi, 32, both French nationals — and Hamyd Mourad, 18, whose nationality wasn’t known, a Paris police official told the Associated Press. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
USA Today would also report (emphasis added):
The brothers were born in Paris of Algerian descent. Cherif was sentenced to three years in prison on terrorism charges in May 2008. Both brothers returned from Syria this summer.
The implications of yet another case of Western-radicalized terrorists, first exported to fight NATO’s proxy war in Syria, then imported and well-known to Western intelligence agencies, being able to carry out a highly organized, well-executed attack, is that the attack itself was sanctioned and engineered by Western intelligence agencies themselves,.
Additionally, in all likelihood, the brothers who took part in the attack in Paris may have been fighting in Syria with weapons provided to them by the French government itself. France 24 would report last year in an article titled, “France delivered arms to Syrian rebels, Hollande confirms,” that:
President Francois Hollande said on Thursday that France had delivered weapons to rebels battling the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad “a few months ago.”
Deflecting blame for the current attack on “radical Islam” is but a canard obscuring the truth that these terrorists were created intentionally by the West, to fight the West’s enemies abroad, and to intimidate and terrorize their populations at home.
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What goes around, comes around or words to that effect.
How Will Self sees it.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/why-after-the-paris-massacre-je-suis-not-charlie-hebdo
Another, subtle take –
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/9/1420836618489/Martin-Rowson-10.1.2015-016.jpg
Res Diss – “BTW I would drop the “lib” part of the description – liberalism really was never part of their ideology ..”
Quite true, however it is included in the portanteau to remind readers of the irony of their impudent self-description as “liberals”. It’s a bit like North Korea describing itself as the Democratic Republic of Korea and China’s reference to the “People’s Army” as if it meant something nobler than the obvious fact that people comprise its ranks. So no offence intended to genuine liberals who believe in reasonable liberties like freedom of speech, thought, association and enterprise.
Deep down inside, Libturds repress a little fascist that is fighting to get out. Sometimes it breaks free and reveals itself with acts of gross hypocrisy and profound insensitivity that are hurredly smothered over and denied.
Mary@3:58pm
“The implications of yet another case of Western-radicalized terrorists, first exported to fight NATO’s proxy war in Syria, then imported and well-known to Western intelligence agencies, being able to carry out a highly organized, well-executed attack, is that the attack itself was sanctioned and engineered by Western intelligence agencies themselves,. ”
Mary You are spot on with this insight. They were most likely brainwashed and programmed Using a more advanced version of the Nite-ride mind control program which was in operation in the 1980`s. only took a three days to complete the program. It had a eighty percent success rate to program the subject into an obedient servant.
Does anyone know about the #illridewithyou hashtag that appeared as the Sydney siege was unfolding?
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/15/inspired-by-sydney-siege-illridewithyou-trends-worldwide-conservatives-note-their-limits/
It was intended to be a gesture of solidarity between normally jelly-backed Libturds and ordinary muslims, together facing down an anticipated violent backlash from the ever-present Aussie racist ogre.
The woman who conceived the hashtag, Rachael Jacobs, told a courageous story that resonated like those from the US civil rights era of the 1960s. Unfortunately, the story she told was a mischievous lie.
“The epilogue to the #illridewithyou story is that Jacobs, in the course of telling her moving story of courage in the face of conjectured intolerance to the Brisbane Times, admitted that she made the whole thing up”
http://humanevents.com/2014/12/19/another-media-too-good-to-check-fail-the-illridewithyou-hoax/
Now it is being reported that the female named as the partner of Amedy Coulibaly has been out of France for some time and is still abroad.
Can we believe anything coming out of France and repeated by our corporate media?
BBC today
‘Hayat Boumeddiene, the partner of Paris kosher supermarket gunman Amedy Coulibaly, remains on the run.
She was said to be with Coulibaly when a policewoman was killed and is described as “armed and dangerous”.’
Tony M. I have read this in today’s Independent, the Russians are so sexually repressed its medieval.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-government-bans-transgender-people-from-driving-9967132.html
Technicolour – “This sort of thinking — blaming an entire group for the actions of a few individuals, assuming the worst about a person just because of their identity — is the very definition of bigotry.”
So you would be in favour of liberal gun ownership laws, wouldn’t you? After all, blaming all gun owners for the actions of a few individuals is the very definition of bigotry.
And this is the key bit here:
“and a sneaking suspicion persists that politicians and media find that the Charlie Hebdo attack fits the prevailing anti-Islamic narrative — and it accords happily with the West’s aggressive foreign policies in the Muslim world.”
How devilishly fortuitous, eh.
Nothing Clark or Tech had to say undermines that narrative, and to that extent they’re fellow travellors with Jemand and Anon in what will be increasing persecution of ordinary muslims, in Britain and throughout Europe.
Job done, eh.
Glenn says that he knows about Gladio. He says that it was to protect us from the Soviet Union. That’s certainly how they explained it.
It doesn’t however explain their random bombings of innocent people which were blamed on leftists.
And that folks is what false flag is all about.
Read all about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
And please stop falling for the same tired old tricks.
There’s no excuse these days. We’ve had plenty of examples since the fall of the last bogeyman in the Soviet Union.
Hurray Norwich has just won 2-1 against league leaders Bournemouth, with ten men.
that will cheer Craig up now that Norwich has a new and competent Scottish coach in Alex Neill….
“Interesting, that both Isis and Jemand hate liberal human rights activists. I can imagine them getting on famously.”
She can’t help herself from lying. I have never criticised genuine human rights activists. I just like to show up fake liberal progressives for the insidious totalitarian control freaks that they really are. It’s not hard either.
Well done, Jemand.
They’ve played right into your hands.
There’s no winning for their soft “muslims done it” against your hard “muslims done it”.
I bet you knew that already. They clearly have much to learn.
“Republicofscotland: Have you got a link for the extraordinary claim in repect to Transgender people, Russia and driving, it seems highly improbable.”
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Tony M.
I found the article in the Glasgow Evening Times page 10, unfortunately the online version has no link.
So here’s another that does.
http://cars.aol.co.uk/2015/01/09/russia-bans-transsexual-people-from-driving/
and another
http://www.inquisitr.com/1739090/russia-bans-gay-drivers-law-bans-transgenders-disorders-of-sexual-orientation-from-driving/
and another
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3069085
Tony M.
There are several more links, just put Russia bans trangender drivers, in your URL.
Mary.
Check out, Serrapeptase enzyme.
It could help.
Apologies if this has already been discussed – but Paul Roberts has an interesting take on the Charlie Hebdo attacks….
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-tsarnaevs-trial-qui-bono/
RoS – “Is there any real difference between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, when it comes to blasphemy laws?”
Nah. Not really. There are anti-blasphemy laws throughout the muslim world, some worse than others.
Blasphemy is a means of control over dissidents by oppressive and totalitarian regimes. In modern times Communism, Islam, American jingoism and Political Correctness all have penalties for blasphemy. Indeed, you know there’s something very wrong with an idea when you can’t openly disagree with it.
The old witch, Jihad Mary cries — “Mods Could these unpleasant references to me be deleted please. I am being denigrated by Jemand and Habbabkuk in their little chats. Habbabkuk repeats everyone’s comment for added effect I assume. They are wrong on a couple of counts incidentally. If I have nothing to say or contribute, I stay off.
These are the references to ‘Jihad Mary’.”
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Yes, mods, censor posts that criticise Jihad Mary. And please censor posts that criticise the great leader Kim Jong-Un. We can’t allow any criticism that upsets the flow of information in the course of implementing TrueJustice®.
“As foolish as to immediately leap into “false flag” or “conspiracy” mode on various false bases, eg the MSM always lie or misinform – which is, experience shows, usual on here.”
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Habb.
I don’t think posters on this blog automatically, assume an event is a false flag, I’d give them more credit than that, I assume the false flag comments irk you, and that’s why you condemn the posters simul.
That’s fair enough its your prerogative to do so, and even if they do assume an event is a false flag, and it turns out it isn’t (undeniable proof required)isn’t it a good thing in most part, to question everything we’re told.