Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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Clark
I recall that a little while ago you were enjoining me to “discuss” with you and asked me if I was available to do so.
Your “reply” to me at 21h32 (above) will make it clear to you why I declined your invitation.
Why is it so difficult for you to say something along the lines of “I did not wear a face mask at that demonstration because I was going along to demonstrate peacefully and not to act violently and therefore had no need to wear a mask”?
Habbabkuk, my adoptive dad, rest his soul, served this country fighting fascism in the Second World War. He didn’t fight; he was an engineer, but he was posted to Burma where he faced grave danger and lost his brother to dysentery.
He did not do that so that this country could descend into innefectual democracy, total surveillance and social segregation which, if allowed to proceed, could well develop into a form of economic fascism.
I do not wear a mask. You DO.
Phil
Enjoy your demonstration – even without a face mask! 🙂
Habba, what you no doubt purposely neglect to mention is that this Act gives ‘private companies’ the power to decide whether a demonstration is legal or not.
If that doesn’t disturb you, then you obviously inhabit a different planet.
Not that all these slimy, insiduous laws matter a jot anyway.
If the people wake up, you and your ilk are history.
And you know it.
Habbakuk
I will enjoy it. I never wear a mask. You are an anonymous cowardly gobshite.
Anyway, you still have yet to deny wife beating. Would you care to? Old chap.
““unless of course in self-defence” – a cunning let-out, Herbie.”
Don’t get excited, habby.
That’s just the Law.
You’re entitled to defend yourself. Perhaps where you live it’s a different matter.
Anyway.
You didn’t answer the question about the genesis of the term “casseurs”, as it applies to protests.
Unless you provide convincing evidence to the contrary, it’d be safe to assume it’s little more than a media distraction neo word for what are in fact no more than age old govt employed agents provocateur, trying to make peaceful protestors look bad so that the police can knock their heads about.
Question Time. BBC 1 Thurs 19 Feb 2015 10.45pm
David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Stockton-on-Tees. The panel includes former Conservative deputy prime minister Lord Heseltine, Scotland’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon MSP, Labour’s shadow energy secretary Caroline Flint MP and Duncan Bannatyne, star of Dragons’.
RobG, I gave that pdf some semi-serious attention (I guestimated rather than attempting calculus) over on the Independence Rally thread.
“If the people wake up, you and your ilk are history.”
So much for pluralism and tolerance – I suspect it’s a good job your current neighbours believe in vive la difference!
“they were not firing on them, they were defending themselves.”
So why are they denying access to the OSCE – surely if this were the case they would want someone to verify that this is the case. Keep tying yourself in knots Mr Goss.
Craig,
By reference to my own experiences and present fight to prevent the mentally ill being imprisoned, maybe, with or without reference to Amnesty International, but more directly with reference to Human Rights and International Law, I can make the following points:-
1. It is wrong to imprison the mentally ill in Her Majesty’s Prison, for reason solely of their mental illness:-
See: http://www.tciaffairs.com/news/mentally-ill-persons-in-tci-imprisoned/
2. Maybe the point might better be understood by asking the question:-
Q. Since there were multi-millions cost overrun in building just 60 rooms for 2 new hospitals in the TCI – then – is it likely that the TCI government is presently in no financial shape simply to refurbish the old hospital in Grand Turk to make it the “new Mental Hospital” – because the owner of the construction company that built the 2 hospitals also happens to have been the Treasurer and chief funder of David Cameron’s present government?
Maybe the answer is stated here:-
http://www.tciaffairs.com/articles/when-will-caribbean-nations-and-the-turks-caicos-standup-to-being-ripped-off/
3 My point – there is a straight line connection between what is happening here in the British
Dependent Territory of the Turks and Caicos Islands and what is unfolding in British politics in
the UK.
Conclusion
My point is that the protection of Human Rights is not merely for the rich and powerful in the rich and powerful nations of the world. There are already significant double-standards operating in the world, such as with the ICC where it exists to prosecute the war crimes of African leaders, those from Asia or poor countries or on occasion the lesser breed Slavs ( i.e. I have Milosevic in mind). No – it is the entire international community and the equal rights of all humans which need protection. An international Human Rights system ought to be just that – international and without boundaries between the rich countries and the poor.
CB
While you are in full apologist mode Mr Goss perhaps we could have your line on Litvinenko and Sergei Magnitsky – I’m sure they must be in your briefing somewhere?
Clark, I appreciate the time you’ve taken and will get back to you over on that thread.
In the meantime, I assume Mods will read this, and also hopefully Craig: you’re on a dot org dot uk at the moment. I would seriously advise you to put your web presence outside of the USUK area. There’s some heavy duty shit going on at the moment. Most European domains and servers are still safe.
Clark
My earlier posts on masks appears to have gone AWOL – but for the record I would be against banning them on marches or in public. I do however believe that there are perfectly good laws available to deal with criminal behaviour – which I my book would also include petty vandalism and disturbing the peace of ordinary people going about their day to day business as well as intimidation and physical violence – all of which are crimes were the Police are perfectly entitled to ask for a persons identity if they think a crime has been committed.
“So why are they denying access to the OSCE”.
To protect them according to a report tonight on Russia Today – so you, for one, won’t believe that. However I recall when the separatists invited independent investigators into MH17 the Ukrainian forces fired at them and it was months before the bodies were removed. There should never have been a war. The good people of Eastern Ukraine whousld not have been attacked by the army of this fascist putsch government which is so democratic it will not allow communists to stand.
“While Resident Dissident is convinced that only the separatists are firing in Debaltsevo.”
Which is of course not what I said. I suppose you would even deny the Ukrainians there Herbie’s right to self defence.
Craig,
My larger point is that the protection of Human Rights is not merely for the rich and powerful in the rich and powerful nations of the world. There are already significant double-standards operating in the world, such as with the ICC where it exists to prosecute the war crimes of African leaders, those from Asia or poor countries or on occasion the lesser breed Slavs ( i.e. I have Milosevic in mind). No – it is the entire international community and the equal rights of all humans on planet Earth which need protection. An international Human Rights system ought to be just that – international and without boundaries between the rich countries and the poor.
So do assist and extend Human Rights protection to those who need help in a poorer location in the Caribbean:-
http://www.tciaffairs.com/news/mentally-ill-persons-in-tci-imprisoned/
Do share and forward – I want the Governor’s Order of the 19th December, 2013 making it lawful to imprison the mentally ill – revoked.
Courtenay Barnett
“To protect them according to a report tonight on Russia Today”
Is that the line on Litvineko and Magnitsky as well?
I think you will find that it is the rebels and their rather well trained little green men who were the first to take action in Eastern Ukraine – Poroshenko held off taking action in response after they had seized police stations and government offices for many weeks. Please stop these pathetic attempts to rewrite history.
Mr Goss
We are still waiting an answer as to the source for your assurance that there are no Russian weapons in Eastern Ukraine – any chance that it is honest Joe Putin?
Craig,
My point is that the protection of Human Rights is not merely for the rich and powerful in the rich and powerful nations of the world. There are already significant double-standards operating in the world, such as with the ICC where it exists to prosecute the war crimes of African leaders, those from Asia or poor countries or on occasion the lesser breed Slavs ( i.e. I have Milosevic in mind). No – it is the entire international community and the equal rights of all humans which need protection. An international Human Rights system ought to be just that – international and without boundaries between the rich countries and the poor.
So – lend assistance and prevent the mentally ill being imprisoned in the Turks and Caicos Islands ( a British Dependent Territory).
http://www.tciaffairs.com/
Craig,
My point is that the protection of Human Rights is not merely for the rich and powerful in the rich and powerful nations of the world. There are already significant double-standards operating in the world, such as with the ICC where it exists to prosecute the war crimes of African leaders, those from Asia or poor countries or on occasion the lesser breed Slavs ( i.e. I have Milosevic in mind). No – it is the entire international community and the equal rights of all humans which need protection. An international Human Rights system ought to be just that – international and without boundaries between the rich countries and the poor.
Resident Dissident, 10:28 pm: thanks, I thoroughly agree, especially this:
I’m really quite worried by the direction the UK seems to be taking. “Poor doors”, ubiquitous surveillance, gated communities and private security being given policing powers. None of this should be regarded as necessary; the root cause is the increase in inequality. This increase in authoritarianism suggests fear among the privileged classes.
I think we need some structural changes. The labour party did great things after WWII. I don’t think it could do them any more, and the two-party system which secured those improvements is now stifling the ability to change.
I came across this tweet. But I believe Putin is too much of a gentleman to say anything like it.
“Putin rubs it in, saying always hard to lose, espec. to people who were miners & workers, not professional soldiers !!”
But there is some truth in it. It is very hard to defeat people who have a cause, who believe in what they are fighting for rather than having to do so from being conscripted by the Nazis – who have bankrupted Ukraine if not themselves.
RD, please go easy on JG, though I know he’s insulted you repeatedly. I doubt he’s seen what you have seen; rather than opposing him, try to encourage him to examine other evidence. And I think you should remember that public opinion in the Separatist areas is rather strongly opposed to the new Ukrainian government; it isn’t all just Russian influence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_status_referendum,_2014
“Please stop these pathetic attempts to rewrite history.” Yep, my sentiment about you and your continued support for the Fascists. You say you don’t support Fascism but to my mind you do it all the time. You even call the separatists rebels. The rebels are the ones who rebelled against Yanukovich.
Nobody should have to write or rewrite the history of war if there was no war. There was no war before your lot stole power with an open cheque-book from the States enabling regime-change. My guess is that Eastern Ukraine will go independent (my God do they hate your lot in the east of the country) but I also believe nobody will re-elect these Bandera bandits if the peace holds. Now wouldn’t everything have been better if the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk had been allowed their independence? Agree?
John Goss and Resident Dissident, I suspect you’re each trapped in your own “filter bubbles”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble
In order to escape you need to control cookies, Javascript, DOM objects and Flash “supercookies”, and periodically change your IP addresses.
John Goss, they’re not Resident Dissident’s lot. He didn’t start it. And none of us over here can truly understand it.
“John Goss, they’re not Resident Dissident’s lot. He didn’t start it. And none of us over here can truly understand it.”
I know you don’t understand it Clark. In fact you’ve said so. I did not understand it but have done a lot of research which makes me much less inclined to watch the neocon-zionist MSM.
Here is a piece of news that passed me by. This is how the US intends to control Kiev if the ceasefire holds.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/imf-loans-to-ukraine-deadly-economic-medicine-aimed-at-total-destabilization/5431677
“The Labour party did great things after WWII”
Yes, but it’s important to remember that this was a bi-partisan approach. Both Tory and Labour followed the same broad economic policy from 1945 to the 1970s.
It’s called the post-war consensus, and a very similar approach was taken throughout the Western world.
Wealth cascaded down through the social classes. The masses had never had it so good.
But once the infrastructure had been built up, the tap was turned off.
This was fought in the 70s and 80s, but by the 90s all that was lost.
Big Bang in the financial markets. Globalization. The cuddly global village.
Now a new consensus emerges between Labour and Conservative, but this time it’s anti-worker, debt, austerity, you pay the taxes no benefits etc, war, war, endless war, and we monetize the infrastructure your fathers and mothers created.
Rinse, repeat.
When NATO straffs Ukraine will more words poison the air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OFaE19myg