Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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“Mass retreat from #Debaltseve. #Poroshenko says it’s a ‘planned withdrawal’, and there was ‘no encirclement’.”
Makes me wonder which part of the word “ceasefire” the seperatists don’t understand.
Dreoilin, I wonder what the separatists will find when they get into Debaltsevo? There are already reports of many of the residents who stayed having been shot in the head. How many are foreign fighters? What kind of heavy artillery are they leaving behind? But I’m glad for both sides that there is an opportunity to build on peace.
“Makes me wonder which part of the word “ceasefire” the seperatists don’t understand.”
That comment just shows what total dickheads you and RD (who said the same) are! The “green corridor” the Ukrainian armed forces are taking now was offered at the start but they chose to fight. Putin said it posed a problem. You are so full of shit.
“That comment just shows what total dickheads you and RD (who said the same) are!”
Fuck off and die retard.
Mary
“The troll is desperate to receive replies and is obviously lonely on this lovely sunny day.”
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Just interested in seeing posters back up their assertions. A concept which is obviously foreign to you 🙂
“Just interested in seeing posters back up their assertions”
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It’s a big ask, I know. Unfounded assertions, lies, ravings and when challenged a swift retreat and a spot of diverting are the name of the game on here, you sub-optimal, poor man’s version of Private Eye. 🙂
Fred; ““Makes me wonder which part of the word “ceasefire” the seperatists don’t understand.”
a) The Debaltsevo situation was excluded from the Minsk agreement.
b) Poroshenko refused to order the troop there to retreat, instead demanded that they fight on.
c) Today’s withdrawal is a total & humiliating defeat,don’t be surprise if Poroshenko now flees to join his family who have already fled.
http://russia-insider.com/en/opinion/2015/02/18/3599
“a) The Debaltsevo situation was excluded from the Minsk agreement.”
The transcript I read started:
“Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00:00 midnight EET on 15 February 2015.”
I don’t remember anything saying “except Dabaltsevo”.
“Dreoilin, I wonder what the separatists will find when they get into Debaltsevo?”
Yep. And I wonder will there be any evidence of these NATO troops that were mentioned.
Dreoilin
“Yep. And I wonder will there be any evidence of these NATO troops that were mentioned.”
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I’m curious about that too. Someone on here recently posted a link quoting the fascist, Russian-inspired separatists as claiming that up to 25% of the govt troops in the city were actually NATO soldiers.
A bold claim indeed – if true, it should be easy for them to parade a handful of those “NATO troops” before the eyes of the expectant international audience, shouldn’t it.
Perhaps when the time comes and no NATO soldiers are produced Mr Goss and the other Putin worshipers will pop up and deny the claim was never made or if it was it was a false flag claim.
“Fuck off and die retard.”
Talking to yourself can be a sign of early onset dementia. You should get it checked.
“Makes me wonder which part of the word “ceasefire” the seperatists don’t understand.”
Oh they understand alright. As far as I’ve read, they didn’t want to give up Debaltsevo, since, after any talks and ceasefires and agreements and truces or whatever, Debaltsevo is within shelling distance of Donetsk. I assume there were other reasons. My knowledge of Ukrainian geography is pretty appalling.
“Talking to yourself can be a sign of early onset dementia. You should get it checked.”
Go fuck yourself retard cunt.
“I’m curious about that too. Someone on here recently posted a link quoting the fascist, Russian-inspired separatists as claiming that up to 25% of the govt troops in the city were actually NATO soldiers.”
I believe that was me.
I’ll go backwards and try and find it. I don’t keep a note of every link I post.
“Perhaps when the time comes and no NATO soldiers are produced Mr Goss and the other Putin worshipers will pop up and deny the claim was never made or if it was it was a false flag claim.”
I don’t recall making a claim that there were NATO troops. I live in England. I have no idea who is fighting with either army (apart from the man who calls himself Leon Swampy). I may have referred to claims made by separatists about a NATO presence, which is something entirely different.
“Go fuck yourself retard cunt.”
In a matter of minutes your problem appears to deteriorated. Doctors don’t do home visits today so I suggest you take a walk to your local practice.
Yes, I had posted this:
Dreoilin
16 Feb, 2015 – 5:39 pm
Oops! Separatists report NATO troops trapped in Debaltsevo, Ukrainian military admits no Russian invasion occurred
“This morning NAF scouts spotted NATO tanks inside the encirclement (Cauldron) at Debaltseve. According to their information the possibility is strong that up to 25% of the trapped army may be NATO.”
http://www.sott.net/article/292664-Oops-Separatists-report-NATO-troops-trapped-in-Debaltsevo-Ukrainian-military-admits-no-Russian-invasion-occurred
Note, Habbabkuk, they didn’t say “were actually NATO soldiers”.
“In a matter of minutes your problem appears to deteriorated. Doctors don’t do home visits today so I suggest you take a walk to your local practice.”
Fuck off and die retard cunt.
“Fuck off and die retard cunt.”
Repeatedly saying what you’ve already said is another symptom.
I do wish people would let Fred speak, without dumping on him the minute he appears.
“Repeatedly saying what you’ve already said is another symptom.”
Fuck off and die retard cunt.
Fred; “I don’t remember anything saying “except Dabaltsevo””
Did you read the link I provided ? Note the numerous mentions of verbal agreements, or more to the point disagreements, as the Russian side were hard line on Debaltsevo, which is why they were punished with more sanctions immediately after Minsk;
“EU Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini demanded an end to hostilities around Debaltsevo and threatened Russia with more EU sanctions”
http://rt.com/news/233363-ukraine-debaltsevo-surrender-withdrawal/
“Did you read the link I provided ? ”
I read the ceasefire agreement.
People can claim this and other people claim that but it’s what is written in the agreement that matters.
Two exerpts from the link I had posted earlier (and repeated above)
“November 6th in an interview with Gromadske.TV, Markian Lubkivsky, the adviser to the head of the SBU (the Ukrainian version of the CIA) stated there are NO RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRANIAN SOIL. This unexpected announcement came as he fumbled with reporters’ questions on the subject. According to his statement, he said the SBU confirmed that there were some 5000 Russian nationals [volunteers], but no Russian soldiers in Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples Republics.”
and
“Shell remnants marked clearly with US identifying numbers from 155mm shells, shot by the Paladin artillery system have been recovered from areas the Ukrainian army have attacked civilian targets. If the NATO troops are there, and who else would be running the complicated military equipment, the possibility that they won’t make it home is in the same government’s hands that brought the world a non-existent Russian invasion and is pushing the world to the brink.
“This would explain both the US and EU trying to push a new peace initiative. If NATO troops are taken captive, what then? If hundreds of NATO troops are fighting for Ukraine in a war that even John McCain says is using prohibited weapons, what are the liabilities after? American troops in this case and just based on McCain’s admission are by any definition War Criminals for participating.”
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But the US hasn’t been pushing any peace initiative as far as I know.
and then we have this
“Russian draft resolution on Ukraine passed by UN Security Council” February 17, 2015 20:16
http://rt.com/news/233243-un-council-resolution-ukraine/
which I believed was opposed by the US – although they voted for it in the long run.
That comment just shows what total dickheads you and RD (who said the same) are! The “green corridor” the Ukrainian armed forces are taking now was offered at the start but they chose to fight. Putin said it posed a problem. You are so full of shit.
Can I be a total dickhead too? Thanks. The translation of ‘green corridor’ (lovely Kremlin spin) that I’m working with is: “we’d be happier if you ceded yet more territory, which we don’t currently hold, to Russian control, without a fight.” Unfortunately for everyone concerned, the Ukrainians fought to hold it. Shyrukine is still fighting – majority of it destroyed; this will give the heroic shock-troops of the glorious Revolution easy access to Mariupol, and a start on the process of cutting Ukraine off from the Azov Sea. As already predicted by this total dickhead.
Meanwhile, Putin, is as usual, the innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control. Which accounts for his wistful smile as he signs off the press releases…
Better a total dickhead than a complete sucker or a tool.
Mr Goss
“I don’t recall making a claim that there were NATO troops. I live in England. I have no idea who is fighting with either army (apart from the man who calls himself Leon Swampy). I may have referred to claims made by separatists about a NATO presence, which is something entirely different.”
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And not did I claim you did, Mr Goss. But I do claim that you’re precisrly the sort of person who would, after the claim is shown to have been false, say that the claim was never made.
What was that you were saying about dementia….?
Mr Goss
“I live in England.”
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but get all my info from Russia and fascist Eastern Ukraine.
Where do you live mentally, John?
“Did you read the link I provided ?”
I read it. It is well argued, and anybody who has studied international relations knows that there are always unwritten clauses which are not written into the main agreement which deal with any loose ends that might otherwise prevent early action. The fact that Merkel took this initiative for talks in Minsk was because Debaltsevo (and much of the Ukrainian army) was already surrounded by separatist troops.
I expect the dissenters on this blog will turn their attention to the ongoing fighting at Donetsk airport with claims about the separatists not understanding peace. Remember these good people have had to defend themselves against the fascists (supported by certain comment-makers on this blog).
Dreoilin
“Note, Habbabkuk, they didn’t say “were actually NATO soldiers”.”
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Duly noted, Dreoilin. But what are we meant to draw from “according to their information the possibility is strong that up to 25% of the trapped army may be NATO.”?
Lots of cunning little qualifications there, but the thrust seems clear enough, wouldn’t you say?
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BTW I honestly couldn’t remember who first posted the link. I hope you didn’t think I used “someone” as a way of avoiding using your handle – you know, in the same way as Mary makes it a point of pride always to use ‘it” or “the troll” when referring to me…. 🙂
“Where do you live mentally, John?”
Well it’s not Toytown. 🙂