Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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“Phil, why don’t you grow up and post something substantive that proves the fascists in Kiev did not wage war on their own people, who only, like the Scots, wanted independence.”
Actually we had a vote on it and the Scots didn’t want independence.
Oooh the White Knight Goss is riled! Sir John the brave your words maketh little sense but you demandeth my seriousness. Do I reduceth this fine tablet of discussion to nonsense? Is that what you sayeth old white knight? Is it I with my shit? Verily your months of idiotic bickering are blameless! You screaming Noddy and Toytown and Fascist every single fucking day for months on fucking end maketh true light for the trolls to bask in! You are a master of good senseth! You brigeth light when I am a wankereth! You are the only true anti-fascist.
John Goss, please try to separate fact from opinion. Example:
becomes:
Please encourage Resident Dissident to do the same.
Everything is garbled up, all mixed in together. Facts and opinions need to be separated out so that they can be dealt with effectively, because facts and opinions require different approaches.
Fred, you, too:
You’ve attributed your desired outcome to “Scots”, and you’re not even ethnically Scottish!
“John, I’d be very surprised if Russian weapons hadn’t been infiltrated in to Eastern Ukraine; wouldn’t you?”
No. There has been no evidence of this other than was there before the conflict. Do you think if the Yanks with the most superior satellite monitoring systems had any evidence they would keep it to themselves. Show me some evidence and I would be disappointed in Russia but happy to change my mind. Monitors at border points and OSCE monitors would say if they had seen any. The pro-agressors will just have to accept they were driven back from land they attacked and hopefully that will be the end of it.
“Would you not be surprised if the Russian volunteers hadn’t received covert support from the Russian authorities?”
That depends on what covert support means. Nearly all of the population of Russia supports the separatists. So I suppose the anser is yes, I would not be surprised.
“Actually we had a vote on it and the Scots didn’t want independence.”
So did the separatists in Eastern Ukraine and they did want independence. So the fascists that stole power in Kiev did what the US does do countries that don’t want ‘democracy’ at the ballot box, they set out to impose it by force.
Grief. I hope that at least some Russians support people who don’t care about borders or governments and just want to get on with their lives. But maybe you’re right.
There’s a lot to be said for annoying Phil – he gets three orders of magnitude funnier.
John – slightly confused here; fascists in Kiev did not wage war on their own people…
As I recall, the, er, fascists’ justification was that these were so totally not their people that they had started an armed insurrection on the basis that they wanted to be Russian. And indeed had (totally unassisted by Russia, John, totally unassisted, lol) already made some ground.
Intriguing piece here – much, much more on this site.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/02/13/as-eastern-ukraine-heads-towards-the-ceasefire-russian-armour-heads-towards-ukraine/
I’m sure Pravda has a different story.
“You’ve attributed your desired outcome to “Scots”, and you’re not even ethnically Scottish!”
Well I don’t fucking well live in Essex.
We had a referendum, the majority of Scots said they did not want independence, fact, end of story.
“So did the separatists in Eastern Ukraine and they did want independence.”
Therefore they are not like the Scots.
John, you’re still blending fact with opinion:
Will you at least accept that it would be better practice to separate opinion from fact? Would you please rephrase the above to make it more objective? That’s two (2) requests.
Fred, if I wasn’t so fucking depressed by living in fucking Essex, I’d be living in Scotland by now. You’d hate it here; I know you would. That’s why you moved there, because it’s even less like Essex than where you moved from.
“So did the separatists in Eastern Ukraine and they did want independence.”
Therefore they are not like the Scots.
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Then should they not be allowed their independence? Or should they be murdered by those who don’t want them to have it? I guess you’ll be off now.
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Ba’al, join in by all means.
There are links in this comment which I posted yesterday which explain why I do not support a government that came to power unelected and then, with its fascists, started the civil war. Thanks for reading. I apologise for it not being entertaining, unless you like seeing dead bodies and fascists from the Ukrainian government, and the work they do.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-3/#comment-510073
Fred, but for some unfathomable reason, you want the place you live run by the rich tossers who live around here and are actively making this place into such a corporate hell-hole; the very thing you ran away from!
“Fifteen roadblocks were set up outside of Odessa, secured by militants under the personal command of Kolomoisky’s “Dnieper-1” Battalion, as well as Right Sector’s thugs from Dnepropetrovsk and the western regions of Ukraine. In addition, two military units from the Self-Defense of Maidan arrived in Odessa, under the command of the acting head of the administration of the president, Sergey Pashinsky – the same man who was caught with a sniper rifle in the trunk of his car on Feb. 18 on Independence Square (Maidan) in Kiev [6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zJGvmGVcE ].”
Unfortunately YouTube has taken down the link that shows Pashinsky with his sniper rifle. But, believe me, it exists.
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“Fred, if I wasn’t so fucking depressed by living in fucking Essex, I’d be living in Scotland by now. You’d hate it here; I know you would. That’s why you moved there, because it’s even less like Essex than where you moved from.”
Which has nothing to do with John’s statement that the Scots want independence being false.
Can’t anyone state simple facts on this blog being subjected to personal and may I say racist abuse?
Fuck off and die, Fredf
“You screaming Noddy and Toytown and Fascist every single fucking day for months on fucking end”
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Glad someone else has noticed that about Mr Goss – even if it’s only Phil.
John, you’re still blending fact with opinion:
“the fascists that stole power in Kiev…”
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Don’t know where you’ve been Clark. Let me refer you to the comment I have just referred Ba’al to and read the first link about what happened in Odessa and who was responsible for turning largely peaceful demonstrations into a coup, followed by civil war. Thanks for reading.
Fred, I didn’t mean that, I was just making a point. I haven’t abused you or written anything racist. The fact is, you moved to Scotland and then later opposed its independence.
Habbabkuk’s most sensible comment this year.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-510179
Macky whines
“@Clark, re your comments to John Goss; perhaps you keep forgetting, but you are not a moderator here anymore; further I think it’s utterly reprehensible of you to support Resident Dissident in his dispute with John. Please desist.”
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“Reprehensible” – a bit rich coming from the bluntest knife in the drawer, surely?
Macky, face up to it – you’re an intellectual pygmy who contributes very little of substance to this blog. That’s what’s “reprehensible”!
John, you should acknowledge that lots of non-fascists also wanted a change of power in Ukraine, and the non-fascists greatly outnumber the fascists. And you should acknowledge that a lot of the Ukrainian forces are not fascists either – a whole load of them want to stop fighting and go home, I believe.
I do acknowledge the presence of fascists, both in the government and in the Ukrainian forces. If you’d stop generalising so, you might elicit some agreement from Resident Dissident. But while you dismiss him as a fascist, you discourage that possibility, which is your loss and everyone’s loss.
Dreoilin’s right
“I’ve seen you try that before, Macky. You post something stupid and when you’re called on it, you claim it was “satire”.”
By no means the first time. I believe he’s tried that on Squonk as well when “arguing” with Phil and someone else whose handle escapes me for the moment.
Will you at least accept that it would be better practice to separate opinion from fact?
That question was answered long ago. I think Goss is Tim Bancroft-Hinchey* and I claim my ten rubles. Or grivna.
*AKA Timofei Byelo, or possibly more than one other English-speaking Russian journalist, ex-Soviet Pravda, or else again someone whose awful prose can be traced back to a modern languages degree from Leeds. No-one is quite sure. You may google the name to learn a little more. Separating opinion from fact is not his forte either.
Mr Goss
“Believe me, I rarely have to apologise.”
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That’s not quite accurate, John.
There have been many occasions when you should have apologised. The problem is that you can rarely bring yourself to do so.
“Fred, I didn’t mean that, I was just making a point. I haven’t abused you or written anything racist. The fact is, you moved to Scotland and then later opposed its independence.”
Look Clark nothing I did has any relevance whatsoever to the point raised. What I did has fuck all to do with you and it had fuck all to do with the result of the referendum.
I just stated a fact why the fuck did you decide to start talking about me? I just stated the result of the referendum so you decide to start telling the entire readership of the blog that what I am “not even ethnically Scottish”.
Habbabkuk is an example to us all on how pathetically easy it is to incite aggression. If it’s so easy on this blog, what hope for Ukraine?
Phil’s little exercise in trouser pocket “psychology” (above, at 13h01) is perhaps best seen as a slightly shorter and politer version of some of his ramblings about me on Squonk.
As, for example:
“Habbabkuk
You don’t even know that it is half term for schools this week. That takes a special type of isolation. Congratulations on being so removed from life that you know no children. So removed that you embrace daily contact with people who despise you on the internet. I genuinely felt sorry for you yesterday. My bad, as the youth say. Just a brief lapse. Now go fuck yourself, alone with your sense of superiority, you miserable, lonely old cunt.”
As I pointed out on Squonk in an effort to help : anger management issues.