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  • Clark

    Fred: “I just stated a fact”.

    No, you warped a fact. You turned 55% into 100%, and you did so in your preferred direction. Such deception may also be the reason for you wishing to conceal that you’re ethnically English and that you moved into Scotland from England, because if others knew that it might weaken the effectiveness of your anti-independence campaigning.

  • Clark

    Fred: “I just stated a fact”.

    No, you misrepresented a slim majority as total unanimity, and then claimed that doing so was irrelevant! Cheating!

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Clark

    “Habbabkuk is an example to us all on how pathetically easy it is to incite aggression.”
    ____________-

    Huh?? Did I start this cat-fight between Fred, Mr Goss, Phil and a couple of others?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Clark

    “Fred: “I just stated a fact”.

    No, you misrepresented a slim majority..”
    ______________

    I wouldn’t call almost 10 percentage points a slim majority.

  • fred

    “No, you misrepresented a slim majority as total unanimity, and then claimed that doing so was irrelevant! Cheating!”

    It’s the majority that represent the people in a democracy not the minority.

    You were happy enough to accept John’s statement.

    You still turned it into a personal attack on me.

  • John Goss

    Yesterday a friend of mine in Sweden succumbed to a rather aggressive cancer. Rafik Saley did most of the research regarding Sven-Olof Petersson’s complicity in rendition and torture for this article which he, Okoth and I co-wrote. Last year he was enjoying a holiday come business trip to the World Cup in Brazil. Time and tide wait for no man. RIP Rafik.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/12/19/how-sweden-collaborated-with-cia-on-renditions-and-framing-of-assange/

  • John Goss

    “John – slightly confused here; fascists in Kiev did not wage war on their own people…”

    Not at all if you read the full sentence. But one of us is clearly confused. I have posted plenty of links showing the fascists did wage war on the East Ukrainians and asked Phil.

    “. . . why don’t you . . . post something substantive that proves the fascists in Kiev did not wage war on their own people, who only, like the Scots, wanted independence.”

    Apologies for your misunderstanding. 🙂

  • Ba'al Zevul

    My point was precisely that the revolting Ukrainians (or the ones with arms) were clearly not Kiev’s people; therefore Kiev was not shelling its own people (except the inevitable civilian casualties, which Russians presumably don’t ever do – see Grozny) And you have not posted anything that proves East Ukrainians were not complicit in an armed insurrection against the legitimate (whether you like it or not) government of Ukraine, andc the de facto annexation of Crimea to Russia. Let alone anything which proves Russia was not assisting the East Ukrainians with supplies, artillery bombardment from Russia. Except Putin’s say-so. And Putin is an honourable man.

  • Clark

    Habbabkuk, 2:11 pm

    “Huh?? Did I start this cat-fight between Fred, Mr Goss, Phil and a couple of others?”

    No, you didn’t start it (as best as I remember; it has long since been lost in the mists of old threads), but you help to sustain and escalate it, and a load of other distracting animosities, for instance at 1:51 pm above.

    I regard your role and Macky’s as rather similar; you act as Resident Dissident’s rottweiler, and Macky does likewise for John Goss and co. You are the stronger dog, but John’s is more loyal.

  • Republicofscotland

    I agree with you Clark over the Fred.

    Fred who we now find out is Joey Essex in disguise, likes to shout his mouth of about the SNP, now I have absolutely zero nil nada against anyone moving to Scotland, and making it their home,they’re more than welcome, but a certain person can’t stop running down, the only party that cares for Scotland.

    Got that Fred.

    Meanwhile

    Those who voted no, often quoted that Scotland would be left with a £30 billion clean up package of the North Sea, when the oil runs out, it was billed as a disaster for an independent Scotland.

    But Hey Presto! a couple of months down the line and its now billed as an economic opportunity, to decommission the oil rigs.

    If it wasn’t so pathetic it would be funny.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/oil-wells-that-end-well/#more-67079

  • Republicofscotland

    Habb the fisherman.

    I’d have taken you for a Herring man, after all you’ve been done up like a Kipper, in here multiple times.

  • Phil

    Lonely Old Hab

    Why thank you for reposting my Squonk comment here. Let me speculate further about you:

    You are retired. You miss your work because, in the absence of anything else, for years it was what sustained you. You were a middle ranking bureaucrat. Not too successful, but you did OK. Better than those Paddys from Liverpool eh? You had a reputation as a stickler for rules. You made inappropriate cruel jokes about your juniors in a wasted effort to win the friendship of colleagues. Your superiors quietly loathed your fawning efforts but appreciated the late hours when every one else was out having a drink. Obviously all your workmates hated you and dropped any contact the day they waved you out the door. All your hard work left you OK financially. A nice pension. You have a daughter who rings you at christmas but you haven’t seen your grandchild for eighteen months. Or is it longer? The only woman you ever loved stopped talking to you years ago. You still don’t understand why. That bitch sees the grandkids every month. This love that never really was, her name was…wait for it…yes…it was Mary. Bingo. Not our Mary of course before you start fiddling with your limpness below. Even now, years on, you are so unable to understand the seething deep inside, you scream like a child every time you hear the name.

    Hope that clears it up for everyone.

  • Republicofscotland

    Mad Jim Murphy, quickly removes information from his website, that shows, he agrees with the Tories, on the slash and burn austerity drive.

    It okay Jim we already know you’re a lying b*stard.

    Meanwhile, Jenny Marra, who father was real socialist, not a fake one like her, fails to apologise after inventing figures, to make the NHS in Scotland, seem as though it was under more pressure than it actually is.

    Is their anyone in the London branch of Labour in Scotland, that isn’t a lying b*stard?

    http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/feb/marra-admits-labour-mistake-fails-say-sorry

  • Mary

    Gosh. It has been busy here today and all the while I was at the hospital having my Iodine 131 ablation planned. Clinics overloaded as usual. Pity the staff.

    Phil. I don’t ‘hate’ anyone, even humans acting as virtual internet trolls. Just feel rather sorry for them if that’s all they have in their lives.

    Another person named Mary has been getting the treatment.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/18/left-on-left-aggression-transgender-activists-troll-gay-rights-advocates-for-daring-to-defend-free-speech/

  • Clark

    Habbabkuk, 2:12 pm:

    “I wouldn’t call almost 10 percentage points a slim majority.”

    Just over one in eleven Yes voters would have had to change sides. Well under half of those who abstained could have reversed the result, too. And there was some possibility of poll-rigging, and the Yes side gained a massive advantage from the corporate mass media, so I consider the majority very slim indeed. The referendum did not settle the matter at all.

  • Phil

    Mary

    Sorry to drag you into my comment. To fit in more with the locals I am currently just spouting shit that comes into my head.

    I guess you haven’t even reached my last one yet which may test your patience.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Phil

    Great description and bang on; but what was the reference to “those Paddys from Liverpool?”

    Now, after that praise, two questions : how did your demonstration go and did you wear a face mask? 🙂

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Republicofscotland

    You’ve clocked on a bit early today. Is Thursday early closing day at your school?

  • Mary

    Meanwhile, the brave boys in RAF blue have been seeing off Mr Putin’s Bears.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1430431/nato-fighter-jets-intercept-russian-bomber

    Mr Lukashevich of Russia’s Foreign Ministry does not like the sound of Mr Fallon’s threatening words.

    As long as they all stick to their play acting and slanging matches and go no further, it’s OK with us. Like schoolkids in the yard.

    RAF jets scrambled after Russian bombers seen off Cornwall
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31530840

    ~~~

    Little of interest on Fallon’s Register. Some trips to dodgy places like Bahrain, Cayman Islands (with wife) and CI. This one of interest??

    ’18-21 February 2007, to Kiev, Ukraine, to participate in seminar on “the role of the opposition”. Fares and accommodation paid by British East-West Centre. (Registered 21 February 2007)’
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=10194

    British East-West Centre
    http://www.bewc.org/index.php
    http://www.bewc.org/en/history_en.php

  • Republicofscotland

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/private-equity-bosses-using-700m-tax-loophole–and-donating-to-the-tories-10054911.html

    Millionaire executives at private-equity firms are avoiding up to £700m in tax a year using a loophole which George Osborne has repeatedly failed to close, according to a new investigation.

    Tax campaigners said the arrangement, brokered in private between HM Revenue and Customs and the British Venture Capital Association (BVCA) – amounted to Government-sponsored tax avoidance on a breathtaking scale.

    The investigation, published by the campaign group 38 Degrees, also revealed 16 private-equity bosses belong to the Conservative Party’s elite Leaders Group of major donors, giving more than £7m to the Tories since 2008.
    …………………………………

    The Chancer of the Exchequer Gidiot Osborne, knows exactly what he’s doing, he’s giving his rich buddies a helping hand whilst punishing the sick and poor, the Den of iniquity aka Westminster, is a rich mans institution, in the United Queendom.

  • Phil

    Old Hab
    “Great description and bang on”

    Well I doubt it was bang on but just maybe some of it was winning punt. That you continue to make jibes about the school holidays does not detract from the fact you did not know it is half term. So what did I get right really? You were a stickler bureaucrat who found work relations problematic? Not seeing the grandkids? No friends? Don’t be coy. It’s all friendly banter isn’t it?

    As you ask the demo is later. The rain won’t help. As I said I do not cover my face. Unlike you I am not a cowardly anonymous gobshite.

  • Mary

    Hardly ever mentioned in the UK corporate media.

    From Medialens Message Board

    ABC Tours Fukushima Plant: This could go on for centuries, and some say problems can never be fixed;
    Posted by MikeD on February 19, 2015, 4:06 pm

    ABC Tours Fukushima Plant: This could go on for centuries, and some say problems can never be fixed; “Tepco admits it doesn’t know extent of meltdowns” — Official: We don’t know ‘real situation’ of the molten fuel, “nobody has seen it”; We need help from the world (VIDEO)

    http://enenews.com/abc-tours-fukushima-work-plant-could-last-centuries-tepco-admits-doesnt-extent-meltdowns-official-dont-real-situation-melted-fuel-need-around-world-video

    Matthew Carney, ABC North Asia correspondent: “Sorting out Reactor No. 4 will be the easy part. Fixing Reactors No. 1, 2, and 3 will be much more difficult. They’re full of molten nuclear fuel. Humans can’t enter, it would result in instant death. And robots have yet to be invented that can withstand the massive radiation levels near the melted cores. TEPCO admits it doesn’t know the exact location and extent of the meltdowns. They claim it will take 40 years to fix, but others say centuries.”

    Kenichiro Matsui, TEPCO public affairs department (voiceover translation): “We don’t know the exact situation in detail. Fuel has been melted down, but nobody has seen it. We need to develop technology with help from around the world to know the real situation.”

  • Republicofscotland

    In his first major foreign policy speech since mooting a 2016 presidential run, Jeb Bush sought to distance himself from the legacy of his brother, admitting mistakes were made in Iraq, and called for the world to “take out” Isis.

    Noting the inevitable comparisons between himself and presidents George HW and George W Bush, the former governor of Florida said: “I love my father and my brother. I admire their service to the nation and the difficult decisions they had to make. But I am my own man – and my views are shaped by my own thinking.”

    He has previously backed the Iraq War but today he admitted that “there were mistakes made in Iraq for sure”. However, he credited his brother with sending a surge of troops that helped quell the insurgency at the time.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeb-bush-claims-im-my-own-man-but-he-has-a-very-familiar-foreign-policy-team-10054947.html
    ………………………………..

    Surely Americans, won’t be fooled and vote in another belligerent minded Bush family member? Mind you the possible alternative of Hilary Clinton, doesn’t inspire one, now does it.

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