Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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Glenn (02h44)
I liked your link, for which thank you (also on behalf of Macky, for whose on-going education you obviously – and correctly – care deeply).
Re “poisoning the well” : let’s say you came across a well and saw that the water was covered with a deep, malodiferous, green scum. Should I really have to sample the content of that well (source) and prive scientifically that it would be better to avoid the water in it or would a quick visual check not be sufficient to discredit said well and water?
To pursue the analogy if you’re still with me: the deep, malodiferous green scum could be taken to be the titles of the various articles….which all point in one direction.
Glenn
“@Habbabkuk: Not wishing to leave you out, I too have “The Waste Makers”, that farsighted 1970’s book. Did you get “Future Shock” too, from around the same time?”
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If the first of those was one of Vance Packard’s then I’ve surely read it. All of his stuff was interesting but I think you’ll agree that they tended to blend into each other, so to speak?
Re Future Shock: no, I tend to avoid futurology. Experience shows that futurologists always get it wrong (Hermann Kahn, anyone?)while almost never predicting what was, in retrospect, before their noses (Berlin Wall and South Africa refer).
Ba-aa.
Israel good, Russia bad. Putin Hitler, Assad Hitler, Saddam Hitler, Hitler Hitler, Gaddaffi Hitler, Salmond Hitler. Poroshenko Good, Obama Good, Bush Good, Netanyahu Good, Blair Good, Iran Bad.
Ba-aa.
The things you need do to get a comment through the censorship/moderation here.
“@John Goss and everyone
The Britain out of Nato petition is here. It can also be got through the easy to remember tinyurl.com/outofnato.”
Yes I’ve signed this thanks.
It seems if you cut and paste a link the link is not repeated so apologies there. Here it is again.
https://www.change.org/p/british-prime-minister-david-cameron-announce-an-immediate-british-withdrawal-from-nato
Peacewisher
“but why did you have to be so obnoxious to Charles. Looks like you’ve scared him off.”
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Don’t be silly, Peracewisher; you don’t really believe that “Charles” exists as a real person, do you? 🙂
“Charles” appears to be a sock-puppet. Someone has some owning-up to do.
Mary
“The troll continues with his plan to discredit the ICH and Global Research websites.”
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Don’t leave out “voltairenet”, will you.
All three do a good job of discrediting themselves, no need for me to have a “plan”.
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On thing about the MSM and loopy websites like the above is that there are limits on the amount of bias (or sheer craziness) that the MSM can show — too much and they risk losing middle-of-the-road readers and hence revenue. There are no such self-regulating constraints and restraints bearing on the loopier websites.
““Charles” appears to be a sock-puppet. Someone has some owning-up to do.”
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I thought as much.
And probably not the only one active on here.
Hmm, well you did try a bit of puppetry yourself once, Habbabkuk.
“Charles” came from the same IP as several other names. His most frequently used identity is now on pre-mod, so he can have a private chat if he wants.
Sugar.Sugar! Sweetening Jack Straw’s pill.
How Jack Straw lobbied Ukrainian PM and European Commission on behalf of sugar firm
‘We got it sorted out’, says Jack Straw as he reveals how he convinced the Ukrainian prime minister to change his country’s rules on sugar production
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/investigations/11428083/How-Jack-Straw-lobbied-Ukrainian-PM-and-European-Commission-on-behalf-of-sugar-firm.html
Ukraine – ED&F Man increases stake in Ukrainian agribusiness
Published: 10 December 2014
The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine has given permission to Netherlands-based ED&F Man Land Investments BV Ukraine to purchase the share capital of another Dutch company – Ukraine Farming Group BV – which gives the former a share exceeding 51%,
https://www.agra-net.net/agra/international-sugar-and-sweetener-report/sugar-news/beet-sugar/ukraine—edf-man-increases-stake-in-ukrainian-agribusiness–1.htm
Ukraine: EBRD invests in Ukrainian “daughter” of the British sugar
The press service of the AMCU reported that the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine allowed the European Bank of reconstruction and development (EBRD) to buy 23 percent stake in Ukrainian subsidiary of one of the largest sugar producers in the world, ED&F Man.
http://edfman.com.ua/eng/press-center/read-news/?ELEMENT_ID=108
@Glenn_uk, thank you for your confirmation that Habbabkuk is engaging in an ad hominem attacks every time he ignores the contents of an article by trying to rubbish it’s source; perhaps you are not familiar with the popular football term of “playing the man, rather than the ball”, but it does in fact mean attacking the man instead of trying to win the ball fairly, which exactly applies to people who don’t want to play by the rules of honest debate, and instead attack the source rather than the argument.
Resident Dissident ; “Putin has already admitted that the little green men in the Crimea were Russian special forces.”
How is this a reply to my request for evidence that the Ukraine coup “ was backed and planned from Russia”, as you have asserted ?
“On thing about the MSM and loopy websites like the above is that there are limits on the amount of bias (or sheer craziness) that the MSM can show — too much and they risk losing middle-of-the-road readers and hence revenue. There are no such self-regulating constraints and restraints bearing on the loopier websites.”
Interesting. This is the first explanatory statement that habby has made on this issue, that MSM is a better source of information and argument than, for example, Global Research or Voltaire Net etc.
Unfortunately for habby, his argument is cobblers.
Fox and many other mainstream US outlets are absolute nonsense, yet people continue to watch them.
Try again, habby, or alternatively just deal with the arguments presented.
Judging from these entries
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10574/jack_straw/blackburn#register
and these going back to 2000
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=10574
he has spent a lot of time abroad when he should have been either in the ‘hice’ or in his constituency. No wonder there are so many ‘recesses’.
And look at the sums he has collected over the years.
To think that there is another Straw in the wind. Ghastly thought.
https://twitter.com/wdjstraw
Will Straw
@wdjstraw
Labour’s candidate in Rossendale & Darwen. Work on energy and transport policy. Founder of @leftfootfwd. #Rovers fan.
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So funny just now. Sky News interviewed Straw earlier this morning. Voluble as ever. ‘Mortified that he fell into a trap…’ No admitting that he has been feeding from a large trough for years.
They showed the wrong bit of film to start with – a vain Straw asking the interviewer if his appearance was OK, hair, tie etc. Ree-volting
Serious reports, ground truths
Heroes of the Euromaidan Revolution are Leaving Ukraine
by Isaac Webb (Junior Fellow at the prestigious Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington)
are events in Ukraine co-incidental to this 2008 statement by Prince Andrew, HRH the Duke of York.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11870581
2010 BBC news story about Prince Andrew’s comments to US Ambassador in 2008
Habbabkuk; “On thing about the MSM and loopy websites like the above is that there are limits on the amount of bias (or sheer craziness) that the MSM can show — too much and they risk losing middle-of-the-road readers and hence revenue.”
The problem with this argument is that the MSM is exactly losing an increasing sector of its audience exactly because of the self-censoring limits that they do have to employ in order to echo Government propaganda, which is causing them to lose credibility with people who employ critical thinking, because they are increasingly noticing the disparity of the official narrative, and their own basic commonsense. A high proportion of MSM news is regurgitated Government spin, which is why more & more people refer to it as the “lamestream”, and seek alternative sources.
meanwhile CITIZEN4 won the ‘best documentary’ Oscar last night
and for sock-puppets – the “GSM SIM Ki” professional UKUSA sock-puppets have more than 50,000 available (stolen) IP addresses, usually cracked Routers, with which to sanitise their virtual-identities, I presume the KGB, 8200 et al have the same
Fool
You think the Bradford Muslims don’t have a replacement for Straw?
My neighbour made his loft conversion without planning permission 500 mm above the existing roof height and the place was crawling with New Labour councillors to deliver their 500 quid bungs to their man in the council.
Slimy characters from New Labour stand outside the mosque after Friday prayers to remind their supporters to toe the line.
Pakistanis have brought UK politics into new lows of corruption – no wonder UKIP are doing so well at by-elections.
Ba-aa
Rifkind and Straw are fine politicians and decent human beings.
they’d never offer access to ambasssadors for cash
ba-aa
‘“Charles” appears to be a sock-puppet.’
Must be “Lord Charles”. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Zn3M-WMzM
[cm-org.uk – not on pre-mod, just caught by a filter, now removed]
Hope I’m not suspected of being Charles. I appear to be under pre-mod. At least my last comment is awaiting moderation.
It’s interesting watching them in their private moments, isn’t it.
Illusions shattered, eh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SNZBfQ6R-s
Here’s more of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-fmR0hy1gM
Love this one:
“It is quite likely that I will go to the Lords”
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5i1b_v9NxU
And more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXihZI2p5zs
Its surreal, a delusional wannabe dayan “eretz israel” melikowalski,is going to challenge POTUS Obama before a joint session of the Congress and Senate, ostensibly uninvited !? Something is very wrong. Can the canaries here shed some light, apparently swindlers list spielberg has been commissioned to come up with some snazzy props for the pulpit (bomb cartoons are passe), as its getting increasingly difficult to con the cattle with words alone.
And its all because wendy sherman DNA matched with jonathan pollards, the nuclear negotiations are stalled for good.
Mochyn69
23 Feb, 2015 – 4:19 am
1.1.2 GCHQ and the NSA were asleep on the job and the all seeing, pervasive surveillance state isn’t what it seems?
2. It’s some kind of false flag operation, in which case .. who knows?
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A possible explanation is that MI5/6 were monitoring the girls and allowed things to play out in order to follow them on their journey for intelligence purposes. They may still have them in their sights.
Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
23 Feb, 2015 – 8:51 am
“Re “poisoning the well” : let’s say you came across a well and saw that the water was covered with a deep, malodiferous, green scum. Should I really have to sample the content of that well (source) and prive scientifically that it would be better to avoid the water in it or would a quick visual check not be sufficient to discredit said well and water?”
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A rather stupid analogy if I may say so Habbabkuk. An intelligent observer would test the water scientifically – not taste it!
This short video explains the meaning of words like democracy and coup d’etat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68RErgHOzN8#t=10
Sorry Habbabkuk I misread. I must get a new pair of specs!