Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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Macky, 6:45 pm; could you link to the original Der Spiegel article please?
Mr Goss
“That’s what makes me think you are a spook.”
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Ah, a spook – a spy.
One of the favorite charges against the Old Bolsheviks at Stalin’s show trials during the Great Terror in the 1930s.
They were all working for British, French, German and Japanese intelligence. LOL.
Good to see that Mr Goss still masters the old Stalinist techniques of slander and lies.
Macky, 6:55 pm; could you link to the original article in which “George Friedman, the founder of the global intelligence firm Stratfor, called the overthrow of Yanukovych ‘the most blatant coup in history'” please?
Clark; “Yes, someone fired at both sides. We don’t know who exactly, though we know such action didn’t suit Russia.”
Well yes, but we also know that the lethal sniper fire came from buildings controlled by Right Sektor extremists, and even the BBC itself reported a few days ago, a confession by a Maidan demonstator, who told them that high velocity rifles were handed out, and he spent 20 mintues shooting Policemen from one of these Right Sektor buildings;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31359021
Macky, I don’t like pre-chewed food, and don’t like lengthy opinion pieces based on single sentences selected from articles or documents that are not even linked.
Goss
You were meant to go through the whole Interpreter and Belingcat sites – they are full of evidence – and I am not going to be silenced by your foul requests, I quite appreciate that if things were your way that is how things would work but fortunately it isn’t. And the only combine harvesters are there with the windmills of your mind.
BREAKING NEWS – is Macky really Tony Blair or Jack Straw?
He certainly seems to share their forgetfulness (“I don’t recall”!!), as the following excerpt from Squonl’s blog seems to show:
Phil to Macky
“What exactly did the CM moderators remove from your censored comment this morning?
Please post it here.”
Macky to Phil
” sorry but I didn’t expect my Post to be suddenly subjected to pre-moderation, it had being a long while since the last time, so I didn’t bother saving a copy; from memory I think I also made reference to Clark in that post, along the lines of being an “expert debunker” of CTs, so perhaps it was a case of the Mods looking after their own, as there was no rude or hostile language at all.”
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Hilarious!
@Clark, George Friedman said it during an interview with a Russian magazine, as reported here (which contains the original link);
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/head-stratfor-private-cia-says-overthrow-yanukovych-blatant-coup-history.html
@Clark, what’s with the “I don’t like pre-chewed food” nonsense, you keep regurgitating Craig’s bias opinions ! Are you adopting the Habby Fingers-In-Ears tactic of avoiding addressing information that exposes the errors in your povs ?!
Ba’el RSA or Qataris. It is curious. Wonder why the Guardian are so confident of it and yet nothing elsewhere?
“I’ve looked carefully at those photographs. I consider it unlikely that they show combine harvesters and likely that they show tanks.”
Clark, that’s what you get when you start with something you want to be true. You make your observations fit your preconceptions. You’ll end up as daft as Resident Dissident. They were combined harvesters.
http://russian.rt.com/article/49416
If they were not the satellite images provided by, you’ve guessed it, they would have been blown up. They can zoom in on a sixpence if they want. Had they been guns where are the ammunition boxes vehicles? What are they doing in the middle of a corn field? Why are they out in the open where they can be picked off by Captain Vasilav Voloshin? The date is right for harvesting. If they had been guns Washington would have made a much bigger fuss about it. But they know what they are. So they supplied their grainy images to Amnesty International knowing they would not have to carry the can. It’s Colin Powell all over. You must have believed that too I’m guessing Clark.
Is Res Diss still promoting that Bellingcat, Brown Moses site?
Some amateur British bloke operating out of his bedsit who’s become a regular on mass media because his drivel supports the US agenda.
He’s been at it since at least Syria.
This clown has no expertise whatsoever on the technical matters he’s supposed to be addressing and his nonsense has been derided by experts in the field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Higgins
We know Res Diss is a fraud.
More interesting is the fact that even though Clark has had this site pointed out to him a number of times yesterday he still doesn’t pull Res Diss on it.
@Clark, do you still stand by your following statments, if so please provide either logical reasoning or some basis of evidence;
“I regard the presence of Russian and pro-Russian forces in east Ukraine as proven”
“I accept that there was widespread support for the overthrow of the former Ukrainian government”
“it was the people who overthrew the government, no matter that the new government proceeded to attack east Ukraine”
Is Clark arguing that the Russians have invaded Ukraine?
We know that even the boss of the Ukie military has denied that they’re fighting the Russian military.
So why does this propaganda persist.
Clark seems to place much too much reliance on the wittering of propagandist politicians and amateurs operating out of their bedsit than the officials who are operating in the field.
I wonder why.
With any luck the conflict in Ukraine will be over in days. Kiev is running out of gas and has not paid its bills. It probably cannot pay its bills. This means that the rest of Europe will suffer too. I hope it spells the end for the evil Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Yarosh et al.
“I would like to know who conducted the Katyn Massacre alongside the Germans. Everybody knows that Bandera’s men massacred Poles in Western Ukraine. They were close to the Nazis who were definitely involved in the Katyn massacre. So yes, let’s find out. It might even surprise you: Resident Dissident!”
If you were referring to the 1943 Khatyn massacre there is no doubt that Ukrainian Nazi sympathisers were involved – and I said as much in my post if you bother to look and read.
As to the 1940 Katyn massacre of Polish officers I’m afraid that one is down to your KGB friends – now no doubt whatsoever.
I think if you look closer you will find that collaboration with the Nazis was not something that was confined to Ukrainians – not a few Russians and other nationalities were involved.
If you believe Clark, that the ordinary peeps in Ukraine have any say in what’s going on in Kiev you’re off your trolley.
Certainly the peeps were used, and they had genuine grievances, doesn’t everyone, but once the coup was effected that’s them out of the picture.
Are you so stupid you think they’re happy now.
This is not about what Ukrainian peeps want, no more than what our politicians do has anything to do with what British peeps want.
This is a fight between the US UK against Russia and much of the rest of the world, over world hegemony and particularly over the subjugation of Russia etc to the West’s financial needs.
Please grow up.
“So why does this propaganda persist.”
It persists because Resident Dissident (and other) try to perpetuate the myth hoping that someone will believe them. The bottom line is this. If Russia (I don’t mean individual volunteers) had been involved the Yanks would have forced NATO to retaliate. Simple as that. Putin is not stupid.
more evidence – the other evidence provided by Amnesty has of course been ignored – and as I predict the attack is turned onto those who provide the evidence. Perhaps Mr Goss might wish to reveal the source of his stated assurance that there is no Russian heavy armour in Eastern Ukraine – not the ever faithful RT by any chance?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/journalists-find-mounting-evidence-of-russian-involvement-in-ukraine/509973.html
Tht Wiki article doesn’t exactly damn the man, Herbie. It cites someone who has sent him material from which he acknowledges Higgins has drawn the right conclusions, at least on occasion. Postol is an expert in weapons technology, sure, but that is only part of Higgins’ self-imposed brief. And Postol’s criticism seems to be directed at Higgins’ conclusions regarding the Syrian sarin attack. The rest of the Wiki entry is quite complimentary. I wonder how long he’d last in Russia?
In Ukraine, both sides are pretty obviously lying through their teeth…this may be resolving into three sides as the palaeofascists are pulling in a different direction from the moderates in Kiev. There is no reason to accept any of their versions as gospel, IMO. None of which obscures the flagrant illegality of the seizure of Crimea and the calculated economic arm-twisting which achieved the desired instability beforehand.
Yanukovich (wiki):
In January 2015 Viktor Yanukovych was listed by Interpol as “wanted by the judicial authorities of Ukraine for prosecution / to serve a sentence” on charges of “misappropriation, embezzlement or conversion of property by malversation, if committed in respect of an especially gross amount, or by an organized group”.
Reminder of what got embezzled – makes Blair’s country pad look like a prefab:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656023/In-pictures-Inside-the-palace-Yanukovych-didnt-want-Ukraine-to-see.html
“more evidence”
Well it’s better than any you’ve provided to date. Perhaps there have been isolated instances.
I do wish that Craig would do another post. This argument about Ukraine has been going on for days and days, and as far as I can see, nobody has changed their views, not by one iota. So, it’s getting increasingly boring and irritating.
I was about to dive in regarding links posted by Res Diss as “Evidence, a very small sample” at the top of the page. He’s still prepared to list Bellingcat despite information given by both me and Mary. And he links to Andrei Illarionov giving a speech at a NATO session in Vilnius, where he (Illarionov) refers to “Russian aggression against independent Georgia” — which is of course what most Americans believe, because that’s what they were told. “Russia invades Georgia!” and now it’s “Russia invades Ukraine!”
But I don’t have either the time or the inclination to get involved. Someone would post some argument and I would be obliged to come back and post again. I don’t intend to – until Craig puts up another post, at least.
But here’s TIME magazine on the incursion by Saakashvili into South Ossetia, and the Russian reaction. Saakashvili got a bloody nose. I understand he was encouraged to invade South Ossetia by none other than Dick Cheney, and of course the majority of his forces were American-trained. He was expecting American help when he invaded South Ossetia, but it wasn’t forthcoming.
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1831073,00.html
I thought I’d better check out the Moscow Times. And who do we get on the front page?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/
🙂
Must be a propaganda tool of the west.
Given Alexei Navalny gets 15 days in prison for handing out a political leaflet in Moscow perhaps MR Goss might wish to reflect on what punishment his gentleman friend would give me for my utterances here? Would he go so far as bringing back the good old days
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-russian-activist-mental-institution-20131008-story.html
Or perhaps I could get similar treatment to Sergei Magnitsky.
The silence on these abuses – and I would also mention Clark’s reference to the following from Craig
“in Russia to call or campaign for the separation of any part of the state is a crime punishable by up to 22 years’ imprisonment. There are over 7,000 people from the Caucasus imprisoned under that law.”
is I’m afraid all too deafening – instead we get references to the gentlemanly Putin and sickening moral relativism from Macky and Herbie.
This is the link I meant to post for Moscow Times. Taking a leaf out of the Thatcher Falklands victory. “When will they ever learn?”
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/britain-to-help-train-ukrainian-army-to-counter-russian-threat/516465.html
I daresay you would argue that Novaya Gazeta, the last significant independent newspaper remaining in Russia, is also a propaganda tool of the West.
And of course the evidence is ignored yet again while the source is attacked.
“In Ukraine, both sides are pretty obviously lying through their teeth”
Do you think the Ukie armed forces leader was lying through his teeth when he said they weren’t fighting Russian military?
The important point is that Ukrainians have been used to a larger political project. Not the one they thought they were in Maidan for.
Some of them are already learning that of course, not least those women telling Ukie recruiters to go fuck themselves, the forlorn conscripts and those who are still protesting.
Ukraine will be lucky if it doesn’t split asunder into complete chaos, and that looks increasingly like Plan B.
The West has a habit now of leaving chaos in its wake.
None of this is what protestors wanted. They’ve been used.
In time I’m sure peeps will rue the day they trusted the US and EU.
Seems people have to keep learning the same lesson every time.
If you don’t analyse your options in geopolitical terms and make your choice accordingly you’ll be used. Simple as that.
“Given Alexei Navalny gets 15 days in prison for handing out a political leaflet in Moscow perhaps MR Goss might wish to reflect on what punishment his gentleman friend would give me for my utterances here?”
Ukraine is calling for martial law where speaking agaisnt the government is a crime. As to your utterances here, as many have difficulty understanding your logic, I suspect he would dismiss you with a smile, as he did Poroshenko.
Now we’ve got the idiot Cameron trying to get credibility, and votes, by bringing us to the verge of another war based on western lies. He must really be worried his poularity is waning to take this kind of risk with our troops.
“Tht Wiki article doesn’t exactly damn the man, Herbie. It cites someone who has sent him material from which he acknowledges Higgins has drawn the right conclusions, at least on occasion. Postol is an expert in weapons technology, sure, but that is only part of Higgins’ self-imposed brief. And Postol’s criticism seems to be directed at Higgins’ conclusions regarding the Syrian sarin attack. The rest of the Wiki entry is quite complimentary.” — Ba’al
Try this link then, posted by Mary on the previous page:
There Goes the Guardian, Lying About Ukraine…Again!
by ERIC DRAITSER
The western media is busily trying to prop up their failed narrative of “Russian aggression” in Ukraine in a desperate attempt to legitimize their consciously deceitful reporting. To do so, they are now relying not on experts or western intelligence reports, but a discredited blogger and his corporate media chums.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/the-guardian-lying-about-ukraine-again/