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  • John Goss

    What about the other side of the coin Resident Dissident. West for a long time been supplying Ukraine. My understanding is that they have not been trained in using this equipment and more deaths have been caused amongst the Kiev Ukrainians by blue on blue incidents than by the separatists.

  • Resident Dissident

    Goss

    You just don’t have the moral backbone to criticise Putin do you? If Poroshenko does stop people speaking against his govt, and he certainly hasn’t to date, then I will happily condemn such behaviour.

  • Resident Dissident

    And as for Cameron being an idiot more than happy to concur – but of course we can say that easily in a democracy that you are so happy to belittle while benefitting from its largesse.

  • John Goss

    It’s not that I don’t have the backbone. I’m sure I have a lot more than you. I just had not read the article. Under the photograph it says the protestors were arrested following clashes with the police. People get arrested here if they clash with police. Sorry too busy to read any more.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Well, it’s nice to see Russian propaganda is as well received by anyone with a gripe about the West as it used to be during the Cold War.

    What about the other side of the coin Resident Dissident. West for a long time been supplying Ukraine. My understanding is that they have not been trained in using this equipment and more deaths have been caused amongst the Kiev Ukrainians by blue on blue incidents than by the separatists.

    Which does not argue very strongly for the West’s commitment to Ukraine, does it? I mean, we usually train the recipients to use the stuff, as part of the contract. As do the Russians….

    Anyway, what equipment? The faked photos of their equipment provided by the reactionary running-dogs of the fascist oppressors show stuff that looks Russian-sourced to me. Got any better ones? You’d think with a camera in every phone there’d be better stuff coming out of Ukraine (both sides) than we’re seeing to date, wouldn’t you?

  • Macky

    Again Hitchens on the Crimea;

    “President Putin’s “real motivation was national security and the risk that the new rule in Kiev would very quickly denounce” the agreements of 2010 that prolonged Russia’s base in Crimea for 25 years.’”

    Which makes the point that the Russia natural action was a reaction, (note that word Clark & Co), to a real security threat;

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/putins-bite-is-worse-than-his-bark-should-we-have-been-surprised.html

  • Herbie

    “Which does not argue very strongly for the West’s commitment to Ukraine, does it?”

    What commitment.

    The Ukraine is being used for US UK objectives.

    They’re not bestie friends.

    All the West wanted was a Russian invasion. You know, like a real one, that could then be used to further the agenda.

    Because Putin hasn’t been foolish enough to give them that, they make do with propaganda.

    Because the propaganda is bullshit it functions only as PR to the masses. The international community isn’t buying it for a moment.

    You see, the US and UK are the agenda setters. That’s why they need the propaganda. They’re trying to push forward an agenda.

    Putin didn’t have an agenda wrt Ukraine other than ensuring it doesn’t destruct on his borders.

    There’s no agenda to push other than containing things.

    He doesn’t need an agenda setting propaganda campaign.

    You’d think you’d have learned that with all the other wars of hegemony going back to Yugoslavia. They all follow a fairly predictable pattern.

  • Mark Golding

    CEO of DigitalGlobe Dr Walter Scott gotten $12 millions ClearView contrcat from the United States Department of Defense’s National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

    http://geospatialworld.net/Magazine/MArticleView.aspx?aid=31195

    Dr. Scott was head of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories “Brilliant Pebbles” and “Brilliant Eyes” projects which were part of the Strategic Defense Initiative.

    http://innovationews.com/interviews/interview-with-digitalglobe-founder-dr-walter-scott/

    On the Directors board as vice president is retired US air-force colonal Marcy Steinke, this bitch notched up many kills of innocent civilian families in the Iraq war and for her blood-thirst and carnage served Presidents Bush and Obama as Director of The White House Operations Directorate.

    She made the grade… an asset to DigitalGlobe and psyops!

  • Clark

    Macky, 7:12 pm; thanks for the BBC article about the Maidan shootings. It seems more complicated than I’d previously thought. I said that the shootings didn’t suit Russia, but I retract that now; there could have been multiple parties, I just don’t know.

    Where secret services of any country are involved I never take anything merely at face value. For instance, in Murder in Samarkand, Craig writes of an Uzbek acupuncturist doctor who at first prescribed that Craig should have sex with multiple under-age girls, and when Craig declined, plunged a long, fine needle deep into Craig’s chest. It seems reasonable that this caused the blood clots in the lungs that Craig suffered from shortly after. This “doctor” clearly meant Craig harm.

    But the interesting thing is that it was an “ex” KGB officer who recommended that acupuncturist to Craig. On the face of it you’d expect it to be either the US or the UK that would want Craig compromised, discredited or dead rather than the Russian secret services, but there you go.

    I wonder if this is the result of “outsourcing” in the secret services; that the services of various countries are so interpenetrated by double and triple agents, that the services save money by getting another side’s service to do the dirty deed, a bit like Milo Minderbinder in Catch 22 subcontracting for both sides’ air forces and saving fuel by each bombing their own air fields. Peter Wright’s Spycatcher suggests that MI5’s Director General was working for Russia. Alternatively, the incident may add credence to the “international paedophile ring” blackmail conspiracy theory. Who can say?

  • Mark Golding

    Predictable and certain Herbie; still if your mind thinks in that way you may be summoned to Avignon, to answer charges of heresy. Bit like English Franciscan friar, William of Ockham, attacked by the papacy he worked alone on the early formulation of the social contract that maintained rulers should serve the interest of the people, not some special interests…

    http://www.iep.utm.edu/ockham/

  • Resident Dissident

    Well Macky wanted evidence of plots by Russia to annex parts of the Ukraine and Mr Goss wanted evidence of military involvement by Russia – well here it is courtesy of a Kremlin document obtained and published by the brave Novaya Gazeta. A true historic document.

  • Simple

    @habba, Mr Ronson has agreed not to cut your monthly stipend if below emerging snippet of deep information is posted here-but you can try your evil, its all charlie hebdo to me !

    £8,000 a day influence peddlar rifkind threatened to expose the minister in Maggie Thatchers cabinet whose inside information enabled george soros make that infamous £1 BILLION sure bet on the pound floatation, but was nonetheless relieved of the JIC Chairmanship and punished further with the loss of his Kensington seat.

  • Resident Dissident

    The usual suspects will of course deny the authenticity of the Kremlin document – but do they really think that Novaya Gazeta would take such a risk if it was not certain of the provenance of the document?

  • Resident Dissident

    Mike

    As always Amnesty is usually right on these things. We could talk about how the draft is applied in Russia and the treatment of draftees there as well – but one wrong does not justify another.

  • mike

    “If Poroshenko does stop people speaking against his govt, and he certainly hasn’t to date, then I will happily condemn such behaviour.”

  • Resident Dissident

    “to expose the minister in Maggie Thatchers cabinet whose inside information enabled george soros make that infamous £1 BILLION sure bet on the pound floatation,”

    If this is true then it would have been a minister in Major’s cabinet not Thatchers.

  • Resident Dissident

    Mike

    More than happy to condemn – as I said Amnesty is usually right on these things.

  • Mark Golding

    Yes indeed Res Diss the missing link or more precisely ‘the weakest link’ – The Interpreter, which was launched in 2013 and funded by the New York-based Institute of Modern Russia, of which the journal is a special project.

    The Institute of Modern Russia (IMR) is a non-profit public policy organization — a think tank — which claims to be non-partisan.

    The institute blabbers this mumbo-jumbo“… through its research, advocacy, public events and grant-making, IMR is committed to fostering democratic values, respect for human rights and the rule of law, and the development of civil society in Russia; the promotion of a principles-based U.S.-Russia dialogue; and the integration of a modern and forward-looking Russia into the community of democracies.”

    However, the statement, together with its ex-patriot senior staff, their uniformly US-educated backgrounds, the locations of its offices and certain buzz-phrases such as “the community of Democracies”, together give the lie to its claims of being “non-partisan”. In reality it is thoroughly integrated with – and thus in service to – the orthodox western world view of globalising capitalist development under the hegemonic leadership of the Anglo-US Establishment; in other words thoroughly partisan as between the Western uni-polar and the nascent Eurasian multi-polar world views.

    *It is a typical example of what is referred to in domestic Russian policy circles as “Russia’s 6th Column” – ie those ex-patriot organisations working against the the domestic Russian establishment. Their counterparts inside Russia are similarly referred to as “The 5th Column” and, post the Ukraine coup of 2014, near universally despised as unpatriotic organisations serving the interests of foreigners.

    *Courtesy Media Lens deep politics.

  • Resident Dissident

    Mark

    The article was a translation of an article from Novaya Gazeta on the IMR website – you can go and read it in Russian in Novaya Gazeta if you wish. As I have pointed out the standard technique if you don’t like the evidence is to attack the messenger – or in your case anyone who passes the message on – layer upon layer you like it that way don’t you when it comes to covering up the trutrh?

  • Clark

    Macky, thanks for this link in your 9:04 pm comment:

    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13931204001534

    Regarding your 7:47 pm question:

    Yes, I still regard the presence of Russian and pro-Russian forces in east Ukraine as proven; evidence supplied by Resident Dissident’s links, and reinforced, incidentally, by John Goss insisting that those photos show combine harvesters when they clearly look more like artillery. I live on a farm, for fuck’s sake, I know that harvesting looks nothing like that, I’ve seen it every summer for twenty-four years.

    Yes, I still accept that there was widespread support for the overthrow of the former Ukrainian government; evidence being the massive crowds, protests and support for Euromaiden, a mother with her pram singing in the street, people supplying food to protesters; incontrovertible.

    Yes, I still think that the people were the decisive factor in the overthrow of the government; it certainly wasn’t the snipers, though they did precipitate the violence.

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