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  • Clark

    Dreoilin, 8:15 pm:

    “This argument about Ukraine has been going on for days and days, and as far as I can see, nobody has changed their views, not by one iota.”

    It’s actually been going on for about a year. I’ve only engaged with it over the last few days, but it has changed my view; the arguments of the pro-Putin crowd are so poor and some of their conduct has been so dishonest and aggressive that I’m increasingly rejecting it.

    Combine harvesters indeed. Maybe John Goss thinks I’m an idiot.

  • Clark

    Resident Dissident, 10:24 pm, thanks for this link:

    http://www.interpretermag.com/it-is-seen-as-correct-to-initiate-the-annexation-of-the-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-to-russia/

    It seems convincing, though I won’t jump to a conclusion. But look at this piece:

    The non-system opposition on the other hand (the so-called Maidan) is not under control by the leaders of the system opposition, here the tone is set by the “field commanders” (in large part soccer fans and representatives of the criminal underworld), who do not enjoy electoral influence and from all appearances are controlled not so much by the oligarchic groups but to a significant extent by Polish and British intelligence services. Even so, many oligarchic groups finance Maidan, so as “not to put all their eggs in one basket.” [My emphasis]

    Actual intelligence or Russian paranoia?

  • Clark

    RobG, 11:18 pm: I was hoping we could work out some sort of actions to take regarding nuclear pollution, but you seem to have abandoned the thread days ago. If all you want to do is moan about it, fair enough, but do please say so.

  • John Goss

    I don’t think you’re an idiot Clark. I think you’re an expert on satellite image analysis.

    But Dreoilin is right. None of us has changed our views.

  • Clark

    RobG, if you review that thread you’ll see that I’ve put a lot more time and effort into it than you have so far. I felt quite disappointed by that.

  • Clark

    John Goss, I’m particularly disappointed in your efforts here. By projecting Russian propaganda you’ve been missing the important matters; you’ve not been holding Resident Dissident account for the right things. Or even real things.

    Macky, you acting as John Goss’s rottweiler has helped entrench the problem.

  • Mark Golding

    I read Novaya Gazeta – it is a crucial source unlike any MSM comics and half-truths. Vladimir Putin reads it and it lies on the tables of all regional governors.

    The paper’s most attentive readers are said to be Russia’s military intelligence clan, many of whom serve in the FSB and KGB and active in the Russian government. Of course the FSB have their own sources, but they know that most of what they get from their agents is nonsense.

    Novaya paint the real picture.

    Novaya’s articles also enable the Kremlin’s competing factions to gather information about each other – dirt to be dished against rivals later: I maintain power in Russia is not monolithic. It being a complex structure of interests.

    Clark – Some observants with sapience have examined the moral basis that underpins the players acting upon the world stage- Bush – Obama – Blair – Cameron…Take a hard look at the world chaos now – unable to sustain a global system – do you agree?

    I strongly believe Russia can offer a new frame of reference for this global system, as well as new principles to guide states’ interaction.

    Russians have always held a world-view that is somewhat distinct from that of Westerners. Perhaps therein lies the root cause of the West’s reluctance to accept the idea of extensive cooperation with Russia. The risk to the West is that Russia’s understanding of how to arrange this world order may be too attractive for many, perhaps for the majority of the world’s population. And then the West would be stripped of its moral authority.

    Do you agree or not?

  • Clark

    Mark Golding, 24 Feb, 2015 – 11:57 pm:

    “Bush – Obama – Blair – Cameron…Take a hard look at the world chaos now – unable to sustain a global system – do you agree?”

    All four mere figureheads – and unable to sustain a global system, I agree. But we shouldn’t expect a few individuals to be able to do so; the task is beyond the ability of any human mind. Proper governance requires proper structure. I suggest the UN as the starting point, though it needs to be added to, and it needs physical power to enable properly formulated decisions to be enforced.

    “I strongly believe Russia can offer a new frame of reference for this global system, as well as new principles to guide states’ interaction.”

    Russia has its part to play within the needed system of global governance, the same as any and all national groupings of peoples in the world. An inclusive system is necessary; no one should be left unrepresented. But no, I don’t see anything exceptional about Russia, nor any other country.

    “The risk to the West is that Russia’s understanding of how to arrange this world order may be too attractive for many, perhaps for the majority of the world’s population. And then the West would be stripped of its moral authority.”

    No the “West” doesn’t hold any monopoly on moral authority. It merely holds the most economic, physical and military power. The “West” sees Russia as a risk for exactly the same reason that all countries see most other countries as a risk, namely, unmoderated ambition and competition.

    The nations of the world all need to submit themselves to a greater global law, a legal system, enforced by all upon each, as equals. That’s the only way it works in civil society, and that’s the only way I can think of making it work globally.

  • glenn_uk

    As Dreoilin said, surely it’s time for another thread. The discussion is painfully tedious now. \

    “You’re a Nazi!”
    “No – you’re a fascist!”
    “No – you’re a fucking moron”

    And so on, and so forth. What little fun I’ve been having with Habbabkuk and Macky over the logical fallacy discussion is thin stuff indeed.

    Couldn’t CM pen just a few words, such as “It’s cold today” – that would at least get the climate change deniers all excited and off on their simplistic idiocy of “Ooh – it’s cold! That means global warming MUST be a hoax! See? See?” – even that is better than the rubbish that’s been offered in posts by the hundred of late.

  • Clark

    John Goss, I’m not going to watch that video. I accept some incidents were false flag; others not. It makes no odds to the Ukraine situation, just as previous coin-tosses have no effect upon the next one. Just because some incidents were false flag does not mean that the latest one is.

    I’m not watching the video because I’m tired. I’ve been too busy putting out fires on this deck. Fires that YOU (and to a lesser extent your opponents) keep lighting. Save me some work and ACTIVELY TRY to find that which is of value among Resident Dissident’s offerings. Show that you can RESPECT another human as an EQUAL instead of letting your paranoia rule you and dismissing him as some sort of secret agent.

    You can start by reading the document he found – which he posted DESPITE its accusation that UK and Polish secret services had significant influence upon Euromaiden – look, he gave you some of the evidence YOU’VE been looking for; he gave you a gem. Value it, and thank him for it:

    http://www.interpretermag.com/it-is-seen-as-correct-to-initiate-the-annexation-of-the-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-to-russia/

  • Tony M

    Now now boys and girls, keep it all sweetness and light, absolutely no rancour, chaps. Just not cricket. What!

    Nicey nice nice nice nicy niceness nice.

    This blog now ‘officially’ a laughing-stock, bit like the Moscow Times, and Fox.

    New trolls, and new moderator(s) or moderatoress(es) I doubt would make much difference.

    Regards to Macky, Herbie, John Goss and other valiant truthseekers. But Elivis has left the building.

    People (Ukranians) opposed to Poroshenko’s govt. get western mercs. and neo-nazis raining blitzkrieg on them.

  • Tony M

    Three cheers for Prime Minister Cameron (he’s doing a great job, why go to the trouble of having more elections, and three cheers for the King (Are there any students of protocol in the house –should the King come before the PM?)

  • Tony M

    Terrible sweary language Clark. Call the boron moderators.

    Para-suicidal nuclear shill ex-mod Clark surveys dying destroyed planet, feels pride, laughs.

    ‘Dissident’ asset Murray’s little pot of honey turns sour: “I didn’t get where I am today by not knowing which side my bread’s buttered on.”

    Telling almost everyone to “Fuck off and die you retard cunt” ad-fucking nauseum, ad-fucking infinitum is OK, but a little wordplay with Resident Megaphone’s highly ironic nickname is simply too much.

    Hypocrites and fucking parasites.

  • Tony M

    And not forgetting mod-Jon who modified his own comment, after the fact, changing the meaning entirely, hoping no-one would notice, in order to score a cheap point.

  • Tony M

    Put your fingers in your ears, block me, ban me -should be easy enough to do I’m connecting from the same fixed static ip address 82… you know what it is, hasn’t changed in last 10 years, email address is valid too. I have no desire now or in future to make any meaningful contribution to this now incontestably fraudulent site, a mockery of everything it purports to stand for; if making any comments at all, they will merely be frivolous ones, cut and paste boilerplate OTT cloying worship of power, wealth, strength and status, in the prevalent and if truth be faced, only acceptable style. A nice little circle-jerk of nodding cattle.

    I’ll even suggest an iptables rule for you

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 82… –dport 443 -m conntrack –ctstate NEW -j DROP

    You can even precede it with an near identical -j LOG rule so you can snigger at my puny failed attempts to connect. You can’t ban everyone, there are few enough left, but can glory a little in your demented hypocritical mod-power.

  • glenn_uk

    [cm-org.uk – your comment got caught by keyword “Tony M”, who is on pre-mod for ad-hominen against Resident Dissident. That keyword has now been removed from the list]

    Nicely said, Tony M – it’s good to hear someone who doesn’t bandy words, once in a while. Half a dozen of you, and this blog would be well on its way to restoring at least a semblance of interest.

    *

    Clark: Ok, I will check your figures, but got bogged down last time in a definitive average mass with proper definitions all round for the Earth’s crust. And whether uranium is indeed as plentiful and evenly dispersed as assumed, same with the oceans. I haven’t worked with nuclear science for some considerable while (relatively speaking), so some oxidation is bound to have occurred.

    [I think something may have gone wrong with the posting, here’s trying a second time. Perhaps I’m suspended for past crimes.]

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    glenn_uk 25 Feb, 2015 – 12:39 : “. . . climate change deniers . . “

  • Tony M

    Merely looking at the frequency of comments on page 6 of this thread highlights the partisanship. I make one comment towards the end of 200 on that page, in a long thread I’ve followed but don’t think had yet got above my station and taken a part in, a page on which Resident Dissident had made dozens, mostly wild claims with many thinly-veiled insulting comments too, in a thread in which he has made several hundred, many no less I thought preposterous, malign or condescending comments. One comment in a sea of Resident Dissident’s tidal surge of bilgewater, an innocuous comment I thought. By the standards here relatively polite, nothing unfit for any audience, seeking clarification on another of Resident Dissident’s Shaggy Dog story unsupported assertions and highly unlikely exagerated or wholly-imaginary experiences, making a serious point too which might have lead to a tiny increase in understanding of a loosely understood and over-misused term being thrown about carelessly, which might even have taken the discussion briefly in a fruitful direction, and it is deleted as ‘attacking Resident Dissident’. Is this some new ad-hoc house rule for this protected mollycoddled untouchable team of establishment claquers, or has it always been that way?

    I’m angry about a lot of things right now, this matter is only one of that many. Your right to run and moderate this site as you please is inviolate and this is the last I will challenge it, but such conduct doesn’t come without unfavourable inferences being drawn. In this matter I think it has been indefensible, feigned arbitrariness behind which a definite and disreputable controlling agenda is being advanced. Fair-play is rightly outraged, this is not an over-reaction on my part, it is a breach irreconcilable, suspicions multiply, all trust is gone, any benefit of the doubt, chances given, allowance for an occasional stumble or mis-step, forever with-held.

  • John Goss

    ” Show that you can RESPECT another human as an EQUAL instead of letting your paranoia rule you and dismissing him as some sort of secret agent.”

    You’re so entrenched yourself and want me to read articles you and RD post while you are not prepared to watch mine. I cannot find common-ground with Resident Dissident. He has never posted a comment that is anti-establishment. And now Cameron is intent on drawing us into a war because the puppet government is losing ground is another reason I despise people like Resident Dissident. You are very good at criticising people who you think should share your anti-Russian stance.

    Having said that I have just watched Craig on Russia Today expressing a point of view at loggerheads with that of MSM. He is opposing Cameron’s commitment to send UK troops to the Ukraine and agrees that we are puppets of the US and have been for a long time. He would probably have expressed those views on our news channels if he was invited. So, you see, that is why I choose to get my news from RT.

  • Mary

    Especially for the Israel shills here – Habbabkuk and Anon (see their responses to my earlier posting about the Waitrose Taste of Israel collaboration)

    ‘Tasteless’ Waitrose Exposed
    Saturday 21 February 2015

    Waitrose – the supermarket that flaunts its ‘corporate social responsibility’ and its egalitarian employment practices – has teamed up with the Israeli Tourist Board to produce a special glossy insert for ‘Waitrose Kitchen’, their customer magazine. The 32-page insert is called ‘Taste of Israel Guide’, and is a shameless propaganda vehicle for the ‘Brand Israel’ project. You can find out more here.

    On Saturday Feb 21st we pitched our weekly Saturday stall outside the Waitrose branch in Western Road – not far from the shop formerly known as EcoStream – in order to expose Waitrose’s complicity in the attempt to normalise Israel’s appalling record of human rights abuses and violations of international law in occupied Palestine.

    Beneath the title of the Waitrose/Israel magazine ‘Taste of Israel’, we displayed photos of Israel’s occupation – the wall, demolished houses, arrested children, checkpoints, and shocking photos of Israel’s brutal assault on Gaza last summer – showing the true tastelessness of the company’s partnership with the apartheid regime. Many Waitrose customers were genuinely disgusted to discover that their supermarket had allowed itself to be used as a pawn in Israel’s well-funded programme to prettify its image abroad as an attractive tourist destination for British foodies.

    /..
    http://www.brightonpalestinecampaign.org/local-news-reports/tasteless-waitrose-exposed

  • John Goss

    Calrk, as to the RD article concerning a document that Russia talked about annexing the Donbas and Crimea before Yanukovich left office. Yes, I don’t doubt it’s true. It was a few days before in response to the ongoing leaked Nuland recordings about how the US was establishing a puppet government in Kiev comprising Yatsenyuk, Klitschko and the others. What do you expect when NATO had been knocking on Russia’s doorstep and then intended to establish another base in Ukraine? What if it was the other way around – say Russia changed, or was intent on chanhging, the government of France to establish a Warsaw pact putsch government? And Britanny wanted to be part of the UK? Would we not respond?

    You should thank me for that. I doubt Clark you will ever change, until it is too late. You don’t know who your friends are.

  • Mary

    Kiev need help. Any offers?? Surely yes!

    Facebook frontline: Kiev calls up ‘online army’ amid information war
    February 25, 2015
    http://rt.com/news/235251-kiev-war-online-bloggers/

    ‘A day after Ukraine announced it is joining the information war by creating an ‘online army,’ the Information Policy Ministry entered into its first controversy. It has reportedly called on bloggers to create accounts to spread information useful to Kiev.

    The ministry has begun accepting applications from people wanting to join the online army. Once users are registered, they reportedly receive instructions on how to proceed.’

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