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  • Clark

    TFor instance, I suspect that this, which you posted on Squonk, is simply a blatant lie:

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/01/20/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-36/#comment-16481

    I caught sight of his original Post before it was deleted for good, and it was a long considered, well argue piece on how the Ukraine issue is dishonestly presented, and yes it had a one sentence slight jibe at RD, making word-play fun of his “ironic” screen name. This was seized on by the Mods as an excused to delete for good, yes I repeat for good, ie not “suspended”, the entire Post.

    And this, your next comment there, I think contains two more lies:

    You seem to forget that I have experienced what has happened to Tony M many, many times, and even worse; go back to page 4 of this very thread, and you will see that I was threaten was being banned for the sin of addressing the habbu-troll by offensive term of “half-baked” !!

    I’d prefer to think that you’re deluded, but I think in fact you’re a liar. Whatever, you may as well be.

  • Clark

    Macky, you also have no moral integrity. You permit your allies and those you pretend to befriend to be deceived. You lack honour.

  • Macky

    Clark; “which is what I suspect you are”

    LOL ! You suspect, but can’t show or prove I am a liar !

    Any impartial follower of our exchanges here, will have no difficulty knowing where the dishonesty lies.

    Projection is such a revealing trait

    BTW Certain Posters here routinely & obviously lie, no shades at all, but you have never noticed before !

  • lysias

    Israel and Egypt? The Guardian: Spies, lies and fantasies: leaked cables lift lid on work of intelligence agencies :

    Take the story about an Israeli plot to use water-gobbling plants to sabotage Egypt. The alleged scheme is mentioned in a 56-page report compiled by South African intelligence on the Israeli spy agency Mossad.

    Israel has been trying for decades, the report says, to undermine Egypt’s vital Nile water source so that it becomes preoccupied with water shortages rather than the Arab-Israeli conflict. “Towards this end Israel’s Ministry of Science and Technology conducted extensive experiments, and eventually created a type of plant that flourishes on the surface or the banks of the Nile and that absorbs such large quantities of water as to significantly reduce the volume of water that reaches Egypt.”

    . . .

    The allegation against Mossad could be true or preposterous. Either way it offers an insight into the thinking of intelligence agencies. If true, then Mossad is guilty of reprehensible tactics. If untrue, the South Africans are guilty of naivety in presenting this as fact.

  • Clark

    Macky, when those you pretend to support are being misled by dishonest material on the Internet you encourage them to believe the lies. You did this to Mary. Why do you do this?

  • Clark

    Macky, the example above of your dishonest criticism of this site’s moderation is a provable matter, since deleted comments remain in the Deleted Comments folder. I shall use the contact form and ask whether your assertion is true.

    Your criticism of myself when I protected Mary from being deceived by dishonest material is also demonstrable; I could find the incident and link to it.

    This is not “projection” on my part as you called it; that is yet another lie from you. I think you should leave.

  • Macky

    Clark; “Macky, when those you pretend to support are being misled by dishonest material on the Internet you encourage them to believe the lies. You did this to Mary. Why do you do this?”

    You mean just like RD has done to you over the forgery !

    I have no idea what you are referring to iro Mary, so please explain.

  • Clark

    Macky, 11:04 pm:

    I have no idea what you are referring to iro Mary, so please explain

    The video that Mary linked to that falsely asserted that the police at the kosher supermarket in Belgium were “shooting blanks”. When I pointed this out to Mary, you falsely accused me of disrespect and rudeness, thereby encouraging Mary to believe dishonest assertions, simultaneously smearing myself. Why did you do this? Why would you encourage someone you apparently treat as an ally to believe false material? Do you wish her to be discredited?

  • Clark

    Macky, I expect that the document in Novaya Gazeta is genuine. Several reporters for that newspaper have been murdered because they published material that was a threat to Putin’s credibility. You are standing up for murders and liars.

    What will you do if the authenticity of that document is confirmed?

  • glenn_uk

    Seriously – anyone who wants to know anything should sit down, shut up, and listen when Suhayl is talking. RoS – please pay particular attention, and stop making a damned fool of yourself by quoting that blasted moron Spivey.

  • Macky

    Clark; “The video that Mary linked to that falsely asserted that the police at the kosher supermarket in Belgium were “shooting blanks”. When I pointed this out to Mary, you falsely accused me of disrespect and rudeness, thereby encouraging Mary to believe dishonest assertions, simultaneously smearing myself. Why did you do this? Why would you encourage someone you apparently treat as an ally to believe false material? Do you wish her to be discredited?”

    Is that it ?!!

    If I said you were being disrespectful and rude, then you were; links would be nice !

    BTW you shouldn’t imply that Mary doesn’t have a mind of her own, and I’m sure she will not be happy that you have dragged her name into this just to try to find some absurd dirt to throw at me. You are beyond pathetic !

  • RobG

    Jihad Johnny rides again, and please note that the story was broke by the Washington Post, and was totallty uncorroberated (just like my spelling), yet the British media have been flogging it to death

    Cue the Sid James chuckle

  • Macky

    The BBC are reporting that Jihad Johnny was radicalized,…wait for it….by the abuse he received from the British security services !

    Forget clamping down on Hate Preachers, it our own ironically named security services that’s the problem ! It was exactly the same for one of Lee Rigby killers, radicalized after being abused in Africa at the connivance of the British security services.

  • Macky

    Clark; “What will you do if the authenticity of that document is confirmed?”

    Firstly, RD introduced it as “evidence of plots by Russia to annex parts of the Ukraine, & evidence of military involvement by Russia”, which of course you seized upon as a gospel 24 carat proof giant stick to hit those evil Russians; obvious it’s nothing of the sort EVEN, a very BIG EVEN, if it IS genuine, because it itself states that the document was not drawn-up by the Kremlin !! EVEN IF IT WAS DRAWN UP BY PUTIN HIMSELF, Russia REACTING to secure their security interests AFTER a crisis has been provoked is proof of what exactly ?!!

    Secondly, it is almost certainly a forgery for many, many reasons, some list here;

    All reports state that the document is unverified

    It has no date, no author, & no original is provided.

    Novaya Gazeta say it “COULD HAVE BEEN ” delivered to the Kremlin “POSSIBLY on Feb 12th”, so maybe not at all !

    The report mentions events that have occurred AFTER its purported “date”, for example the “large numbers of people” killed in the revolution, whereas by Feb 12th, 2014, the number of victims could be counted on one hand.

    it is written in a non-formal and conspiracy theory-laden language, saying that Russia is controlled by oligarchs and bureaucrats (while true, this is NOT something to write in an official report to the Kremlin),

    It blames the Polish and British special services for controlling Maidan without mentioning Americans !

    It downplays & disregards the Donetsk region, the separatists’ main center of power !!

    Etc, etc (for more see comment under the The Independent article.

    So what are your reasons for believing it is genuine ?

  • Silvio

    The Threat Posed to International Relations By The Neoconservative Ideology of American Hegemony, Address to the 70th Anniversary of the Yalta Conference, Hosted by Institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Moscow State Institute of International Relations, Moscow, February 25, 2015, Hon. Paul Craig Roberts

    Colleagues,

    What I propose to you is that the current difficulties in the international order are unrelated to Yalta and its consequences, but have their origin in the rise of the neoconservative ideology in the post-Soviet era and its influence on Washington’s foreign policy.

    The collapse of the Soviet Union removed the only constraint on Washington’s power to act unilaterally abroad. At that time China’s rise was estimated to require a half century. Suddenly the United States found itself to be the Uni-power, the “world’s only superpower.” Neoconservatives proclaimed “the end of history.”

    By the “end of history” neoconservatives mean that the competition between socio-economic-political systems is at an end. History has chosen “American Democratic-Capitalism.” It is Washington’s responsibility to exercise the hegemony over the world given to Washington by History and to bring the world in line with History’s choice of American democratic-capitalism.

    In other words, Marx has been proven wrong. The future does not belong to the proletariat but to Washington.

    The neoconservative ideology raises the United States to the unique status of being “the exceptional country,” and the American people acquire exalted status as “the indispensable people.”

    If a country is “the exceptional country,” it means that all other countries are unexceptional. If a people are “indispensable,” it means other peoples are dispensable. We have seen this attitude at work in Washington’s 14 years of wars of aggression in the Middle East. These wars have left countries destroyed and millions of people dead, maimed, and displaced. Yet Washington continues to speak of its commitment to protect smaller countries from the aggression of larger countries. The explanation for this hypocrisy is that Washington does not regard Washington’s aggression as aggression, but as History’s purpose.

    We have also seen this attitude at work in Washington’s disdain for Russia’s national interests and in Washington’s propagandistic response to Russian diplomacy.

    Source:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/26/neoconservative-threat-world-order-paul-craig-roberts/

  • Macky

    @Clark, oh look what I’ve just spotted;

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-8/#comment-511295

    &

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-8/#comment-511297

    So conformation from a Mod that a Post from Tony M contained an “ad-hominen against Resident Dissident”, and a comment from Tony M stating that a long considered Post was completely pulled because of a small reference iro RD ! So perhaps I didn’t imagine seeing his Post before it was pulled; in fact I’ve even recalled one comment along the lines the “RD doesn’t even appear on my radar” or such like, which I’m sure can be verified both by Tony M, the Mods & also the Deleted Comments folder. Which makes your accusation that I lied, a lie !

  • BrianFujisan

    Macky / Clark

    You two are gonna go mental IF YOU Don’t Stop And John…

    Since i aint a Coward like the Absent Hab ..My Gripe is with whom STARTED it.. Facts…. NULAND.. 5 billion On Going

    Links Soooo NONE

  • Resident Dissident

    “So what are your reasons for believing it is genuine ?”

    Lets try the rather the substantial body that large chunks of it were implemented. We should also mention that Saker made it all rather too clear that it is ok to lie about Russian involvement.

    “My Gripe is with whom STARTED it.. Facts…. NULAND.. 5 billion On Going”

    Perhaps you need to go a little further back in time when considering Russian involvement in the Crimea

    “So conformation from a Mod that a Post from Tony M contained an “ad-hominen against Resident Dissident”,”

    Well it must have been a pretty bad one given the flood that the mods actually allow through – not that it worries me they are the surest sign that I’m winning the argument.

    BTW Do all these references to static IPs point to a certain person being the multiple sock puppeteer – “Just asking” to employ a certain common catch phrase. Aren’t static ip addresses pretty rare in this day and age?

  • Phil

    Macky
    “@Clark, oh look what I’ve just spotted…blah, blah, blah…Which makes your accusation that I lied, a lie !”

    Not at all. Yet again you misrepresent what was said.

    You claimed that Tony M was censored for his political content. Now you are claiming you are proven correct by pointing out that he was deleted for a personal attack.

    Which makes Clark’s accusation that you lie not a lie!

  • Mary

    A name to conjure with. O! O! Antonio! Didn’t you do well (for yourself). Not so good for more staff who will be made redundant and the customers where branches are likely to close. Anyway Gideon is happy.

    ‘However, there is likely to be a backlash against the Lloyds chief executive Antonio Horta-Osorio, who is in line to net £11.5m in bonuses, including a £7m long-term award set three years ago which was linked to a recovery in the bank’s share price.’

    Lloyds Resumes Dividend As Profits Quadruple
    The Treasury will net £130m from its 24% stake as the bank’s recovery allows it to pay a dividend again.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1435247/lloyds-resumes-dividend-as-profits-quadruple

    PS Who and where was the PPI scam originally thought up?

    ‘Its profits were achieved despite £2.2bn of charges in respect of the mis-selling of payment protection insurance (PPI) during the year – down from over £3bn in 2013 – and other regulatory provisions of £925m, which included its £217m fine for fixing the Libor inter-bank lending rate.

    Lloyds said it was expecting 600,000 new PPI complainants in the current financial year and warned it may have to raise its current provision, which currently totals more than £12bn to date.’

  • Dave

    @Macky Surprise ! Neo-Nazis turning on Kiev stooges !

    It seems ISIS is now operating in Ukraine and our beloved Leaderine David Cameron
    is sending troops to train them in them in the use of weapons that Ukraine`s beloved Leaderine
    Chocolate solder Poroshenko has obtained from UAE.

  • John Goss

    BrianFujisan, I’ve already drawn a line under this. We all have our views and I realise nobody is going to change them. When (if) all the truths come out about the genocide in Eastern Ukraine committed by AZOV forces, if the truth that MH17 was shot down by Vladislav Voloshin, if the truth comes out that Odessa was a fascist plot to foment war, that the west used Israel’s genocide over Palestinians so as not to have to report the worse genocide in Ukraine, if the truth comes out that Kiev forces used cluster bombs and white phosphorous, etcetera, etcetera, certain people are so entrenched in their hatred for Russia and Putin that they will never consider that they might have been wrong. So commenting about it is not going to change a thing. So in the meantime look at this article by Gilbert Mercier about what the US Orwellian plans are for continuing the failed-state philosophy. Thanks.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2015/02/26/us-military-and-nato-praetorian-guard-of-the-orwellian-empire/

  • Mary

    Rifkind again first. Then Milburn.

    The government has awarded an NHS contract to a private firm linked to scandal-hit MP Malcolm Rifkind. But the winning bid will actually cost the NHS more than a bid from local NHS services!

    This is the new bizarro world of NHS privatisation where money-grabbing corporations with links to top Tories win — every single time.

    But we could stop this corrupt back scratching with one simple rule change that’s hard to argue against. Right now, much of the bidding for NHS contracts happens in secret. If NHS England made bidding processes fully transparent, we could stop the government using NHS contracts as prizes for their corporate backers.

    We’re watching the NHS be systematically dismantled and run in the interests of well connected private health firms. This is not what the NHS was set up to do, and we can save it.

    Tell NHS England to make sure all bidders for taxpayer funded NHS contracts should publish the full details of their bids and stop ripping off the Great British taxpayer.

    Only this week, Malcolm Rifkind has been caught selling his contacts book to whoever has the cash to pay him. The company he works for, Alliance Medical, won an £80 million contract to run diagnostic clinics in Staffordshire, but that winning bid was actually over £7 million more than a bid from the local NHS. The government happily announced that this contract was going to a private company — but hid the fact that Alliance was underbid by the local NHS!

    This is yet another attempt to steal our NHS and hand it off piece by piece to private corporations that will charge us more and serve us less.

    SumOfUs was created to put an end to the corporate capture of our public services, and to challenge the corporate corruption at the heart of our democracy. We’ve already been knocking up campaign wins in protecting our NHS — from halting the sale of our medical data, to forcing Lockheed Martin to withdraw from an NHS contract bidding process. By taking action now, we’ve got an opportunity to help stop more damaging privatisations of our public services.

    Can you tell NHS England to stop secretly privatising the NHS?
    http://action.sumofus.org/a/nhs-overbid/?sub=fb

    Others in the same game.
    ‘Selling off NHS for profit’: Full list of MPs with links to private healthcare firms
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selling-nhs-profit-full-list-4646154

    PS You will remember that NuLiebour’s Health Secretary Alan Milburn became a director of Alliance Medical, a diagnostic service provider to the NHS.

    ‘Poverty tsar’ Alan Milburn makes a million
    The private company set up by Alan Milburn, the so-called ‘poverty tsar,’ has made more than a million. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10593106/Poverty-tsar-Alan-Milburn-makes-a-million.html

    Scanner scandal

    In 2005 the Labour Party were accused of trying to gag one of its own MPs who strongly criticised a £90 million deal between the NHS and a private health company linked to Milburn.

    ‘Kevan Jones, the MP for North Durham, revealed that patients from his constituency were being sent 20 miles for private MRI scans, even though their own local hospital had a machine standing idle. Jones had spoken out in support of John Saxby, the chief executive of the University Hospital of North Durham, who complained about the purchase of scans from Alliance Medical, while his own NHS scanner was “considerably under-employed”.

    Alliance Medical was owned by Bridgepoint and the £90 million scanner deal was signed while Milburn was working for Bridgepoint. The contract for the scanner was announced by John Hutton, the then health minister who is a friend of Milburn.

    According to press reports Jones’ comments provoked a telephone call to the MP from a Labour Party official demanding an explanation and warning him that they should not be repeated. Jones himself refused to confirm the claim.’
    http://powerbase.info/index.php/Alan_Milburn

    http://www.bridgepoint.eu/en/news/press-releases/2007/bridgepoint-sells-alliance-medical-for-gbp-600-million/

    Milburn is on the Bridgepoint European Board along with Milords Patten and Rose.
    http://www.bridgepoint.eu/en/about-us/european-advisory-board/

  • Clark

    Various people here have been using the term “Donbas”.

    It is important to realise that references to “Donbas” are being deliberately encouraged by the Russian propaganda network.

    I’ll say no more about it for now. Those involved in this argument who respect my integrity, please investigate that term and the advantage to Russia in popularising it.

    Those who have been using it just because they read it elsewhere, please consider that your sources might be biased and question them more rigorously.

  • Clark

    BrianFujisan, 4:41 am, thank you for your personal concern and compassion; there have been sadly little of either and much personal abuse on these threads recently, so I value your offer highly.

    However, my sanity is a little thing in the greater context, where people are dying and livelihoods are being destroyed. I will continue to defend honesty, and so I must continue to expose dishonesty, no matter where that dishonesty emanates from.

  • Clark

    This is a new situation for us on these comment threads. Regarding the Middle East, Syria, Libya, Iraq, government corruption, the exaggeration of terrorism and the relentless encouragement of war in the “Western” corporate mass media; in each of these cases we have been countering a single thrust of propaganda, which pushed broadly in a single direction.

    Regarding Ukraine, we are dealing with two opposing propaganda systems; the one we are familiar with and the Russian one.

    We need to adjust our approach accordingly.

  • Macky

    @Brian & John, if for an easy life, you are prepared to let obvious pro-war demonising propaganda & absurd lies pass unchallenged , do you think you are doing your best for truth, justice & peace ?

    If you let peer pressure stop you from speaking out at what you know is not only wrong, but immoral, why even bother participating on political blogs ?

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