3,629 thoughts on “Amnesty International Conference on Torture”

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 01:02

  “then the grandfather within his family who fought the NAZIs would be ashamed of him supporting the fascists in Kiev who have waged this onholy war against the Donbas”

  We will never know, but given the view of his sons – who have passed on his war medals to my son, I very much doubt it. Given his father disappeared in the Gulag and other relatives were affected by the Holodomor (which also occurred within parts of Russia and Belarus) I think Mr Goss might be surprised at their vehemence towards the KGB and its former operative.

  And no I don’t turn a blind eye to the deaths in Eastern Ukraine – it would be quite easy to indulge in such a silly game with reciprocal sick pictures, including those by the DPR even before the Ukrainian Govt responded to the rebels. No government fascist or otherwise is not going to respond when its territory I taken by force – is Mr Goss aware of any cases where this is not the case. He also fails to understand that there were many other forces in the Ukraine other than fascist ones reacting to the outright corruption of Yanikovych, his constitutiuonal meddling, and his sellout to Putin’s USSR 2.0 (for which he had no electoral mandate whatsoever) – and who were just plain sick of Putin’s long history of meddling in Ukrainian affairs – and if he thinks this reaction can be solely attributed to Nuland and various aid programmes (which quite frankly quite small beer when compared with what has been given to Russia in the past e.g. through the World Bank, EBRD and TACIS, then he is yet again allowing his prejudice (which is now pretty near to racism directed against Ukrainians) to get in the way of the facts.

  The fact is the “fascist” stick has been used consistently by Putin and before him the Soviet Union to beat anyone who seeks their independence from Moscow.

  And of course Mr Goss uses all of this as an excuse for offering his views on some of the current facts about Russia and Putin that I outlined. Why is this?

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  John Goss February 28, 2015 at 01:05

  Thanks Dave for Heathcote Williams claiming back John Keats who was briefly stolen by the US.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 01:05

  I have no idea what the agenda of the Kremlin is, do you?

  Perhaps he thought you had some expertise on this matter – given that Putin wants Russia to be seen as a superpower It does seem rather untenable that it has no discernible agenda even among its supporters, for who being anti-West would appear to be enough.

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  John Goss February 28, 2015 at 01:10

  “No government fascist or otherwise is not going to respond when its territory is taken by force”.

  So we are in agreement then that the fascists who deposed the legitimate, however corrupt government, of Yanukovich using western cash were in the wrong?

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  John Goss February 28, 2015 at 01:12

  “Perhaps he thought you had some expertise on this matter”.

  No, I try to speak about what I know about. There are plenty of others who just waffle on.

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  John Goss February 28, 2015 at 01:23

  Perhaps this will convince you that the government in Kiev is fascist, but I doubt it because it is being condemned by Putin and broadcast on Russia Today.

  http://rt.com/politics/236119-russian-jewish-resolution-ukraine/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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  John Goss February 28, 2015 at 01:44

  As to the Holodomor ‘myth’ put about by Kiev, according to this article, the world recession left those in the capital comfortable while the Donbas again suffered badly. But for humanitarian aid from Russia this would have been the third Holodomor inflicted on Eastern Ukraine.

  http://www.ukrainewar.info/kiev-forcing-death-starvation-relocation-donbass/

  Remember Poroshenko’s speech in which he said he would leave the poor people of Eastern Ukraine cowering in cellars and how they were described by him as ‘sub-human’. This is the man the west is arming. Shame on the west.

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  Jives February 28, 2015 at 01:58

  Ted Maule @ Ted Maule.

  One of the very best dinners ever.

  3 Star Michelin yet impeccable detail,balance of flavours and discreetly attentive staff.

  The cheese was superb.

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  ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node February 28, 2015 at 01:58

  Anybody here any good at telling a fake from the real thing?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3513610101&feature=iv&src_vid=pMEb-xd4PiI&v=XaCJiqHihSE

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  Jives February 28, 2015 at 02:03

  Sorry.

  That was Ted Maul @ Ted Maul.

  An artist of the palette.

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  Tony_0pmoc February 28, 2015 at 03:12

  It’s Down To The Quality..not just the content..sure the meaning might come later…but the important thing, after you have been attracted to the words and songs is..if you get lucky..try and make friends with these most wonderful people..its ok to fall out and get angry..but what is an artist or a musician going to attack you with ..a paint brush or a guitar or a really loud voice..we don’t have any guns or bullets..We live in England..We don’t need them.

  Tony

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 07:58

  “So we are in agreement then that the fascists who deposed the legitimate, however corrupt government, of Yanukovich using western cash were in the wrong?”

  So if Cameron were awarding half the state contracts to his brother, signing up the UK to actually become the 51st State of the US, making changes to the constitution so that his position couldn’t be challenged and then attacking those who demonstrated against all of this (which might even include some members of the BNP and EDL) – then Mr Goss would sit there idly doing nothing waiting until the next election – particularly if Cameron had a history of being involved in previous rigging of elections in which his political opponents had been poisoned by the US????

  And still Mr Goss avoids the opportunity of telling us all his expert views about the facts of Modern Russia that I outlined. Talk about puffballs.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 08:05

  As for Mr Goss’s further episode of Holodomor denial (I will not be a coward and put denial in inverted commas) the man is really sickening – this is up with his links to the Rothchilds pages pushing Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism by the bucket load. And he wonders why he is called a Stalinist from time to time.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 08:07

  “No, I try to speak about what I know about. ”

  So let us know your thoughts on the facts that I identified. Or don’t you have any?

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  Mary February 28, 2015 at 08:13

  Historic sexual abuse of children. It was ever thus it seems.

  Q Why is this pervert’s name withheld?

  26 February 2015

  Before Jimmy Savile, there was ‘Mr G’ – the 1920s philanthropist who abused children in hospitals
  http://theconversation.com/before-jimmy-savile-there-was-mr-g-the-1920s-philanthropist-who-abused-children-in-hospitals-38061

  co authored by four academics.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 08:24

  From Mr Goss’s link on Holodomor denial

  “At Maidan, the Berkut were unarmed and ordered to stand and take the punishment.”

  Does Mr Goss really believe this to be the case – despite all the evidence to the contrary. Were all the deaths and people who went to hospital attributable to a few fascist thugs? Was every single photo of armed Berkut just a mock up? Could we have the evidence to support this assertion

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  Anon February 28, 2015 at 08:24

  “By the way, like Vladimir Putin, I express my sympathy to the family of Boris Nemtsov.”

  Like Beria’s bodyguard handing a bouquet of flowers to each of his victims.

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  Mary February 28, 2015 at 08:29

  It is a pity that Leonard Nimoy blotted his copybook by collaborating in this revolting stuff. He was the narrator.

  https://www.themiracleofisrael.org/

  Seekers of justice for the Palestinians should ignore this video of Nimoy speaking on the Jewish values in Star Trek.

  ‘If social justice is a Jewish thing, then yes.’ Ditto ‘tolerance for the individual’. Ditto ‘dignity for every individual’.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1d83XOORP0

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  Mary February 28, 2015 at 08:42

  The murder of Boris Nemtsov. Cui bono? Surely not President Putin in this violently anti Russian atmosphere where the flames of war against Russia are being fanned by the likes of Sawers.

  The state broadcaster (BBC not Pravda!) has these two items on its front page this morning.

  Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead
  Boris Nemtsov in Moscow, 6 April 2009 photo
  Boris Nemtsov, a leading Russian opposition politician and ex-deputy PM, is shot dead in Moscow ahead of a march against the war in Ukraine.
  ‘Shock’ at politician’s killing Watch video
  Russian and world reaction Profile: Boris Nemtsov
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061
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  UK ‘must prepare for Russian threat’
  Vladimir Putin and David Cameron photo
  Russia has become a danger to Britain and the country must be prepared to take steps to defend itself and its allies, the former head of MI6 says.

  ‘Russia always an issue of concern’ Watch video
  Extremists ‘not radicalised by MI5’
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31669195
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  Macky February 28, 2015 at 08:43

  @Clark & RD, next time you try to support your arguments using Bellingcat, you will be doing so in full knowledge of this;

  http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/the-guardian-lying-about-ukraine-again/

  Seems like the Guardian is vying with RD for the greatest number of “Smoking guns” that have turned into dud starting pistols firing nothing but blanks.

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  Clark February 28, 2015 at 08:47

  Radio 4 now “Torture works”.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 08:50

  “Like Beria’s bodyguard handing a bouquet of flowers to each of his victims.”

  Like the first cuckoo I am waiting for the first false flag claim from the Putinistaa and their allies – how long do you think it will take?

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  Clark February 28, 2015 at 08:51

  MI6 – “torture produces useful intelligence”

  Note he did not say that torture produces accurate information. “Useful intelligence” can include false confessions, which indeed are useful.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 08:58

  Macky – perhaps you should read Mr Draitser’s article as well rather a lot of polemic but precious little in terms of evidence to rebut the original claims I’m afraid – not liking Brown Moses and his work in Syria or a dislike of the Guardian really do not amount to evidence I’m afraid

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 09:03

  “Seekers of justice for the Palestinians should ignore this video of Nimoy speaking on the Jewish values in Star Trek.”

  So why do you provide the link? Really brave attacking the recently deceased.

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  Mary February 28, 2015 at 09:04

  The Murdoch view.
  1. Sky News
  Outspoken Critic Of Vladimir Putin Shot Dead
  Boris Nemtsov – a Russian opposition politician and ex-deputy prime minister – died after being shot four times near the Kremlin.
  http://news.sky.com/story/1435818/outspoken-critic-of-vladimir-putin-shot-dead

  2. Times
  Hitman guns down Putin critic Boris Nemtsov in Kremlin’s shadow
  http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4368426.ece

  Lebedev view

  Independent
  1. Boris Nemtsov shot dead: Outspoken Putin critic who had expressed fears for his life is killed near the Kremlin http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boris-nemtsov-shot-dead-outspoken-putin-critic-who-had-expressed-fears-for-his-life-is-shot-dead-10076848.html

  2. i
  Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov gunned down in Moscow
  http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov-gunned-down-in-moscow–gkG5d7Wmag

  3. Evening Standard
  Nothing on website.

  D.Mail
  Shot in the Kremlin’s shadow: Russian opposition leader killed in ‘politically motivated’ attack a day before major anti-Putin protest
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972813/Russian-opposition-politician-Boris-Nemtsov-shot-dead-Moscow-street.html

  etc etc

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 09:04

  “The murder of Boris Nemtsov. Cui bono? Surely not President Putin in this violently anti Russian atmosphere where the flames of war against Russia are being fanned by the likes of Sawers.”

  Do I hear a cuckoo in the distance?

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  Macky February 28, 2015 at 09:06

  @RD, after so many “smoking guns” exploding in your face, I doubt you really understand the definition of “evidence”; your latest evidence free assertion that Putin is behind this latest murder, proves you are not actually a slow learner, but rather a non learner.

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  Mary February 28, 2015 at 09:07

  R2D2’s flawed reasoning – only the living can be criticized.

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  Resident Dissident February 28, 2015 at 09:14

  “R2D2’s flawed reasoning – only the living can be criticized.”

  Which is of course not what I said – but it takes a particular type of coward who starts their criticism even before the body is buried.

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