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  • Macky

    @john Goss, indeed, it made me laugh too !

    Not sure what to make of Fred’s link, if it proves or provides anything new; if the headline is true, it confirms a tragic mistake, but who is responsible for allowing the plane to fly over a war zone ?

  • Clark

    John Goss, please don’t offer me your thanks unless and until you can renounce your advancement of the Kremlin’s agenda. Your mission and Craig’s are in opposition. I am proud to support Craig. The Kremlin’s agenda which you advance includes the killings of dozens of journalists. In Russia, Craig would not be able to criticise the Kremlin and the Russian oligarchy as he does here.

  • Mark Golding

    Thanks Clark – nice to know Craig is in good spirits.

    I place little qualification and hang-up on ad-hoc delivery or Skype editing to surely abridge into a time slot. Blatant cutting to obscure context is of course wrong as is also glaring lies such as the BBC prostrated itself as a rolling propaganda mouthpiece for the claims of dubious anonymous “activists” who have proven to be adept at staging propaganda time and time again. A case in mind is the picture, taken on March 27, 2003 which shows a young Iraqi child jumping over dozens of white body bags containing skeletons found in a desert south of Baghdad.

    It was posted on the BBC news website today under the heading “Syria massacre in Houla condemned as outrage grows”.

  • Clark

    Mark Golding, Craig told me what had been left out from the interview and indeed it was something in contradiction of the overall RT narrative. But I’ll leave further details to Craig, should he wish.

    RT does propaganda, and our corporate media does propaganda too. Here, they marginalise and discredit dissenting voices such as Craig’s; we’ve seen that repeatedly. In Russia, they just kill or imprison them.

  • Clark

    Mark Golding, you’ll relate to this. Current Kremlin policy is to deny that any Russian service personnel have been killed in Ukraine. Consequently, the families just receive a note saying “killed on duty in the area they were deployed to” and are denied the full benefits payable to those killed on duty outside Russia:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/19/russia-official-silence-for-families-troops-killed-in-ukraine

    OK, it’s the Guardian and Macky might say it’s all made up, but there’s a link to a site in Russian.

  • Republicofscotland

    So Boris Nemtsov, an opposition politician who was critical of Putin has been murdered, the question is by whom.

    Surely Putin wouldn’t stupid enough to order such an action, with the eyes of the world upon him, and if he is, well then more the fool him.

    Who stands to benefit from this callous and craven assassination, in the long term I suppose Putin, but in the short term, Putin’s enemies, could say look we told you he was a murderous dictator.

    Could the west have had a hand in the demise of Mr Nemtsov? you’d be foolish to rule out such a possibility.

  • Republicofscotland

    Jeez, oh!

    Last night I watched the film Good Night, and Good Luck, and the comparison, between Senator Joseph McCarthy, and some of the establishment mouthpieces, that inhabit this blog is, well,remarkable.

    Thankfully like Ed Murrow and Fred Friendly, not everyone in here sees commies under the bed.

    But then not everyone in here is under obligation to push the “Evil Russia” agenda.

  • Republicofscotland

    I see the parasite, Prince Harry, is expected to leave the army, Harry is to leave the army with distinction.

    Distinction, what an a appraisal, for a cosseted figure head, who was guarded 24/7 by special forces, whilst in Afghanistan, but he was portrayed, as an active participant in the field of combat.

    Talk about propaganda, Kensington Palace can spin it with the best of them.

  • John Goss

    Clark, I don’t doubt for one minute that Russians have been killed in Ukraine. But these are volunteers. And there are volunteers on both sides. In fact the reason they get no pension is because they have gone of their own free will to support an anti-fascist cause. If the Russian forces were employed by the state their passports would have been confiscated. They would not have had them with them. That is why the great lump of fascist chocolate lard made such a global twat of himself holding up Russian passports.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=poroshenko+passports+of+russians&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iNPxVPO_EcKY7gb7vQE&ved=0CCgQsAQ&biw=1117&bih=626#imgdii=_&imgrc=6tZm7IPbajFk0M%253A%3BHp9JVRqpRGUIBM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcdn.rt.com%252Ffiles%252Fopinionpost%252F38%252F39%252F70%252F00%252F2352563546.si.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Frt.com%252Fop-edge%252F230295-poroshenko-russian-passports-propaganda%252F%3B690%3B388

    The internet had a field day, with photoshopped images of Poroshenko holding up matryoshka dolls and balalaikas and what have you. Like you say it’s The Guardian and sings from the government hymn-sheet. Otherwise it would acknowledge that these poor victims were volunteers which it clearly does not do.

  • Mark Golding

    Bless you Squonk for the embed – perfect. Craig is indubitably right when he says, the UK is “just being a side-kick to the United States” – this to me is the bottom line or the crux of our foreign policy misadventures.

    It was only last year British parliamentarians said the US threatens British banks with heavy sanctions and hampers the legal exports of food, pharmaceuticals and medical devices from the UK to Iran. They add that Washington is hindering UK’s legal trade with Iran.

    Britain has historically been a center for trade. A symbiosis existed between trade and the British Empire. The East India company, the Royal African company, the Navigation Acts. Yes I know it was essentially hegemonic, derivative and parasitical yet there can be little doubt that trade and empire gave a significant boost to the proliferation and sophistication of our financial services, and that this was and is of considerable ‘benefit’ in this ponzi paradigm to the long-term development of the British economy.

    Made in America bullying tactics, sanctions, bloody chaos and death has left Britain weak and trivial. We are an island of commerce, wrote the rules, wrote the admiralty and trading laws and gained a hundred years of trading experience. The ‘special relationship’ with an America that is accelerating towards implosion and collapse will without doubt suffocate my country, Britain, who I served to protect and lost many military friends in the process. I might be misjudged and misread, yet my real intention is not lean on the shoulders of America, rather to turn away from US/Israeli deception and hematic abuse of innocent life, torture and human rights.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile Canada a supposedly independent nation, will compel immigrants to swear an oath, not to Canada, but to Queen Elizabeth, remarkable.

    The Supreme court of Canada refused point blank to, hear a challenge to citizenship requirements.

    An astonishing, route to take from a nation, to supplant its citizens, in favour of a empirical regent.

    In hindsight, Wales, NI and Scotland, are subject to the same antiquated requirements.

    Time for a change.

  • Republicofscotland

    Thankfully not all nations, whether they be big or small, require permission from a distant war mongering monarch and its government.

    Fiji, is preparing to ditch the Union Flag, Fiji wants to distance itself from its former colony status, and why not I add.

    There’s a two month competition, to find the best replacement, hopefully it will reflect Fiji, and its culture.

  • John Goss

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-10/#comment-511783

    Sometimes Clark you act like a total dildo. You should apologise for supporting fascists, for coming here very late in the day when so many of us have been following the Ukraine crisis for twelve months and pretending to know something about it. Go read up will you, you so embittered against everything Russian, so anti-Putin, it has warped your mind.

    You pretend to go off and come back with some dubious link which supports the view you started off with and claim it has convinced you as though you’ve looked at it objectively. And learn some manners when somebody thanks you.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Republicofscotland

    “So Boris Nemtsov, an opposition politician who was critical of Putin has been murdered, the question is by whom.

    Surely Putin wouldn’t stupid enough to order such an action, with the eyes of the world upon him”
    ______________

    A rash assumption, RoS. After all, rasPutin has all the chutzpah of his former employers, the KGB, and the former Communist govts which ruled over Russia and other unhappy countries.

    As for the “eyes of the world”, well, raspPutin probably thinks their scrutiny is outweighed by the chorus of excuses, justifications and diversions which will emanate from scum loke yourself, Mr Goss and others of your butt-sucking persuasion. 🙂

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    “Could the west have had a hand in the demise of Mr Nemtsov?”

    ____________________

    See what I mean? You’re at it already! 🙂 😉

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    “you’d be foolish to rule out such a possibility.”

    ___________________

    And you’d be even more foolish to think it.

    But since you are very foolosh, allow me to ask you who from the West might have been responsible?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mr Goss

    “Sometimes Clark you act like a total dildo.”
    __________________

    Well, Mr Goss, he certainly has shafted you comprehensively over the last couple of days. Argument-wise, I mean.

    I bet your butt is too sore to sit on!

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    BREAKING NEWS!!

    “Republicofscotland” outs himself as Ed Murrow’s ghost !!

    His post at 14h31 refers:

    “Last night I watched the film Good Night, and Good Luck, and the comparison, between Senator Joseph McCarthy, and some of the establishment mouthpieces, that inhabit this blog is, well,remarkable.

    Thankfully like Ed Murrow and Fred Friendly, not everyone in here sees commies under the bed.”

    ££££££££££££££££££££££

    Heee – larious!!

  • Republicofscotland

    The barbarity of the semi-literate, who know no more, than the religion, that was drummed into them in childhood, has raised its ugly head in recent days, one such case, is that of US blogger, Avijit Roy.

    Mr Roy a Bangladesh-born US citizen, was hacked to death, in Bangladesh for speaking out against, religious fundamentalism, whilst leaving Dhaka University.

    Mr Roy’s wife also a blogger, was seriously injured as well.

    No one, group, has claimed responsibility, for the attack.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mr Goss

    Nothing to the shafting you’ve been getting from Clark lately, Big Liar!

    It’s good to see the scales dropping from other people’s eyes ( I saw through you a long time ago, others are getting there more slowly. Slowly but surely….)

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    “The internet had a field day, with photoshopped images of Poroshenko holding up matryoshka dolls and balalaikas and what have you.”
    _________________

    If he thought he could get away with it, Mr Goss would probably tell us that the images of Russian tanks rolling into Budapest and Prague were photoshopped as well.

    Perhaps he’s have a “John Goss moment” and risk it…?

  • John Goss

    Bloody Hell Noddy, you can’t even get through “Big Ears goes to Toytown.” Never read a link, never made a sensible comment. Others can draw their own opinions. I haven’t got time for your nonsense.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Republicofscotland reports, droopy chops doubtlessly all a-quiver:

    “Meanwhile Canada a supposedly independent nation, will compel immigrants to swear an oath, not to Canada, but to Queen Elizabeth, remarkable.

    The Supreme court of Canada refused point blank to, hear a challenge to citizenship requirements.

    An astonishing, route to take from a nation, to supplant its citizens, in favour of a empirical regent.”
    ________________

    Habbabkuk asks : what business is it of droopy chops aka “Republicofscotland”?

  • Republicofscotland

    A rash assumption, RoS. After all, rasPutin has all the chutzpah of his former employers, the KGB, and the former Communist govts which ruled over Russia and other unhappy countries.
    _____________________________

    Its definitely not a a rash assumption, Putin has made enemies of the western world, a powerful and mighty group of nations, who at this moment in time, are tightening the noose around is neck, by inflicting more stringent sanctions.

    Its well within the realms of possibility, for such powerful nations to have someone assassinated, with the emphasis, put on Putin’s regime as the culprits, we’ve already established a precedent, with the lack of clarity as to who, down fight MH17.

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