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  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    “Chavez was also killed, and as far as I’m aware polonium wasn’t used.”
    ________________

    He was indeed killed – by the big C (=cancer).

    Circulez, rien à voir!

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Fiona

    Nick Cohen – an excellent fellow – has argued on similar lines many times (also as far as Amnesty is concerned). It is good to see that there are people out there in the real world who reach similar conclusions.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Phil

    Well, any sensible person should fear the mob – except, perhaps, when they are part of said mob. Mobs , in general, lead to no good.

    You cannot deny, Phil, that perfectly respectable demonstrations tend to attract a lunatic fringe which is less interested in the cause being demonstrated about than in an opportunity to cause violent trouble. On France – which sees the same phenomenon – they are called “casseurs”.

    This is why, by the way, that the wearing of masks at demonstrations should be made illegal.

    Where do you stand on the wearing of masks at demonstrations, Phil, and what are your thoughts on “casseurs” attaching themselves to perfectly legal and peaceful demonstrations? Would you turn a blind eye?

  • Phil

    Habbakuk

    You repeatedly defend state violence that results in uncountable deaths and endless misery, yet you squeal like a little scared child when some teenagers smash a bank window. Your priorities are very different to mine.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    fred : “I don’t see how that could be molten granite, the WTC wasn’t built on granite, the bed rock was sedimentary mica schist”

    Our investigations of the borings and early construction in the east bathtub area indicate that the bedrock consists of schist, [granite] gneiss, granofels, and amphibolite of the Hartland Formation along with pervasive pegmatite veins.

    http://www.geo.sunysb.edu/lig/Conferences/abstracts-08/moss.pdf

  • Mary

    Good on the Mirror for keeping Gaza in the spotlight.

    Inside Gaza: Four-year-old Hassan’s pain after losing immediate family in blast that shattered his leg 16 February 2015
    By Chris Hughes

    The second day of Mirrorman Chris Hughes’ dispatches from the aftermath of the Israel-Palestinian conflict relays more heart-wrenching stories

    This four year-old may never walk again and has lost all of his closest loved ones in the bitter Gaza war. Face contorted with pain, little Hassan cries out after being lifted on to the hospital bed for treatment to his horrifically shattered left leg.

    The four-year-old might never walk again after being badly wounded in an Israeli attack on Gaza which also left him without a mother and father.

    His heart-breaking experience is just one of the thousands of tragic stories that keeps the summer’s Gaza-Israel conflict alive, filling each day with fresh trauma.

    Hassan’s uncle Salman, 24, cuddles the boy who cries, barely aware the doctors are there to help.

    /..
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/inside-gaza-four-year-old-hassans-pain-5174922#ICID=sharebar_twitter

    Link sent by Swee Ang.

  • Peacewisher

    @Mark. The official explanation of 11th Sept, as with the JFK assassination, is a denial of the laws of Physics. Thank goodness that most people don’t do Physics, eh! But I’m surprised that those that do didn’t speak out more. Isn’t it about time someone did a “JFK” movie about it?

  • doug scorgie

    Anon
    16 Feb, 2015 – 7:36 pm

    “I didn’t make a case but if you ask me whether I believe the ‘establishment position’ (ie, what actually happened, that the buildings collapsed after commercial airliners laden with jet fuel crashed into them, then yes I do.”
    ………………………………………………………………………………..

    What do you think happened to building 7 Anon?

    The caretaker farted and it fell down?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Phil

    “Habbakuk

    You repeatedly defend state violence that results in uncountable deaths and endless misery,”
    _________________

    Are you John Gossing (the Bog Lie)?

    Quotes and references, please.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Could also have read “the Big Lie” but Bog is OK as well, I think (as a reflection on the quality…)

  • Clark

    Peacewisher, I do physics and I haven’t “spoken out” because the collapses were not a violation of physics.

    Doug Scorgie, the bulk of WTC7 was suspended on a frame erected over a transformer substation. If that frame were to fail the core of the building would collapse, followed by the outer shell. This matches observation.

    So much time and effort has been dissipated on this red herring, and many good people have been discredited. I personally find that really depressing.

  • doug scorgie

    Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
    16 Feb, 2015 – 10:36 pm

    “I sincerely hope that the next govt will pass legislation forbidding the wearing of masks at demonstrations. This will help the authorities to more easily apprehend the small but significant fringe of trouble-makers which always attaches itself to demonstrations.”
    ……………………………………………………………………………….

    Not likely Habbabkuk. The faces of under-cover police agent-provocateurs might get recognised.

  • Mary

    Somebody needs to go to Specsavers. Or is the ‘Rogue Finger’ to blame and then a desire to hit the Submit Comment button as fast as possible?

  • Phil

    Habbakuk
    “Quotes and references, please.”

    Oh OK. So you do not defend “state violence that results in uncountable deaths and endless misery”? That is excellent news.

    But for the sake of the clarity, the clarity that you pompously demand from others, please unequivocally condemn the invasion of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya and of course all IDF actions in Gaza.

  • Mary

    The poor people of Port au Prince, Haiti. They only wanted a bit of fun and to forget the horrific past for a while.

    17 February 2015
    Haiti carnival accident kills at least 18 in capital

    ‘At least 18 people have died after a power line fell on to a carnival float in the Haitian capital, Port au Prince.

    Witnesses said someone on the float used a stick to move the power line to let the float pass, the Associated Press news agency reported.

    A doctor at a nearby hospital told the news agency that at least 18 people had died. Some were electrocuted, others died in the panic which ensued.

    Officials said another 60 people had been injured.’

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-31501543

  • YouKnowMyName

    MSM going off-script?

    independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/sudans-president-claims-cia-and-mossad-stand-behind-isis

    source from http://www.euronews.com/2015/02/16/cia-and-mossad-are-behind-boko-haram-and-isil-says-sudan-president/

    Omar al-Bashir was speaking exclusively to euronews in the week that ISIL released a video purporting to show the execution of 21 Egyptian citizens – an act that spurred Egypt into launching airstrikes against ISIL targets in neighbouring Libya.

    He warned that simply using violence against young radicals who fight with organisations like ISIL and al-Qaeda could lead to even more extremism.

    “Our policy has been largely succesful, after we arrest these young people we bring a group of young scholars to engage in dialogue with them about their thoughts, and we succeed to bring a lot of them back from their radical ideas”.

    Omar al-Bashir said that America’s CIA and Israel’s Mossad are behind group Boko Haram and ISIL. “I said CIA and the Mossad stand behind these organisations. There is no Muslim who would carry out such acts.”

    The full interview will be broadcast on The Global Conversation on euronews tomorrow, Wednesday

  • Mary

    Ref Hebdo

    C Hebdo: 3 suspects, 2 killed, 1 turned himself in with a cast iron alibi – who is the 3rd man?
    Posted by CJ on February 17, 2015, 1:04 pm

    Perhaps Helric Fredou could have told us – but then he “committed suicide”, although the autopsy report was denied to his mother!

    The stories of Helric Fredou the Deputy Chief of Juridical Police and Hamid Mourad the 18 year old 3rd “suspect” in the CH murders have been totally blanked by the French media and most of the Western media. Why is that? Could it be that there is something suspect about the CH official theory? Is it an arrestable offence to discuss this in France?

    It just seems odd looking back that we were told very clealy that there were 3 suspects involved in the CH murders, if 2 were killed and the third (Hamid Mourad) had a cast iron alibi – then who was the 3rd man and why is no-one talking about this?

    http://newseurope.me/2015/01/08/18yo-charlie-hebdo-suspect-surrenders-police-says-alibi-reports/

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40703.htm

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/17/fred-j17.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/truth-and-fake-realities-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-truth/5430396

    40 days later we are still no nearer the truth!

    9/11 has shown us that answers only follow detailed questions and analysis, but even then the longer the truth is left untold the harder it becomes to root out the lies and the liars.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1424178279.html

  • Peacewisher

    @Clark: I’m surprised, but not surprised, at your response.

    I wouldn’t want you to even think that there could be even a hint of a mistruth in the official version. All three buildings were quite obviously pulled by very cleverly planned underground explosions. This would be for a very good reason, to reduce damage over a wider area. I just don’t understand why they don’t come clean about it, except because there is a financial issue – about insurance.

  • Aspergers

    No habba its not a false flag, Mr Ronson just asked me to confirm you are not sleeping on the job, “good staff” are hard to find, he wants to retain you. At least someone is making money from this blog. BTW-keep expecting a small finger up the sphincter at any time, its part of the contract !

  • Kempe

    ” All three buildings were quite obviously pulled by very cleverly planned underground explosions. ”

    Which caused two of them to collapse from the top down.

    Then you have the nerve to say the official explanation defies the laws of physics? (Which incidentally it doesn’t).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o

  • Clark

    About 55 seconds into Kempe’s video:

    “Lose the geometry, lose the building”.

    Thanks, TomK. You’re still an arrogant b’stard.

  • Clark

    And while everyone argues about collapsing buildings, the part of the 9/11 Commission report which has been published is BASED ON CONFESSIONS EXTRACTED UNDER TORTURE and the part that identifies the PERPETRATORS is till SECRET.

    You Controlled Demolition advocates; are you paid to push that stuff by the Deep State?

  • Macky

    Clark; “I do not blame Putin and Russia, but neither do I absolve them”

    That’s called “having your cake and eating it”, and yet you try to preach logic to others !

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