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  • Macky

    Peacewisher; “I’ll do that if you get up to speed on Odessa…”

    I know quite a bit about the Odessa massacre, what’s your point ?

  • Republicofscotland

    Two Jewish Defence League UK thugs were today found guilty of assault after they attacked a panel at a Palestine literary festival in September.

    Roberta Moore was convicted of two counts of assault and one count of possession of an offensive weapon. Her accomplice Robert De Jonge was convicted of assault.

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-defense-league-thugs-found-guilty-assault-palestine-event-london?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=23bee19bbf-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-23bee19bbf-290660781
    …………………………..

    The JDL should use a more befitting name, for instance the Jewish Attack League.

  • technicolour

    Peacewisher: “If Putin supports them, it is very, very unlikely that he will be supporting fascists”

    “The Putin government’s cordial relations with Europe’s far right sit oddly, to say the least, with his opposition to “Nazis” in the Ukrainian government. Yet Putin’s dislike for Ukrainian “fascists” has nothing to do with ideology. It has to do with the fact that they are Ukrainian nationalists. The country’s Svoboda and Right Sector parties, which might do well in the post–Viktor Yanukovych Ukraine, stand for independence in a country that Putin does not believe should exist separate from Russia.”

  • Peacewisher

    A number of Russians died there. I think that’s why that Ukrainian MP was arrested in Moscow… suggestion that he may have been responsible.

    I thought Mariupol would be that “red line” that could trigger escalation. Looks like the focus is shifting again.

    I much prefer to deal with facts. What are the facts about the Odessa Massacre?

  • technicolour

    Macky, I know I shouldn’t but it’s like scratching a flea-bite; do show me where I’ve managed to ““publicly support such violent haters” such as those engaged in ethnic cleansing in the east of Ukraine, and those Western thugs seeking to start a conflict with Russia so that they & their friends can enrich themselves ?”

    You can’t, my dear, because I haven’t. Do give it up.

  • Peacewisher

    Last post was for Macky.

    @Technicolour. Who knows what’s in Putin’s head. He, all Russians, and pre-1992 Ukrainians know Bandera was a Nazi. If Ukrainians in power wish to make him their hero/deity, and US wish to support that, Putin is just voicing perfectly logical public disgust.

  • Peacewisher

    @Technicolour: very pleased that you’ve not been duped, but the whole western media does seem to have been (even The Independent this time!)

  • technicolour

    Sweet, that’s just so *nice* of Putin. Now, about the support of Jobbik and Le Pen. Do you really not think the word ‘expediency’ has anything to do with keeping power in the Kremlin?

  • Macky

    Technicolour; “You can’t, my dear, because I haven’t. Do give it up.”

    Exactly my point Einstein; the same as you can’t show that I “publicly support such violent haters”.

  • technicolour

    It seems it’s this desire for a good, strong leader which unites so many, from the far right to the old-fashioned left. Bless.

  • Peacewisher

    @Technicolour: I was unhappy that Putting got a second stint as President, but a US President is also entitled to put him/herself up for re-election after a stint out of office. problem was that Putin’s four years wasn’t in the wilderness. That’s a matter for Russians; I noticed at Brits got peed off with both Thatcher and Blair within 10 years, and it must say something about the culture in Russia that they voted him back into power (with a small majority). Both US and Russia have better democracy than UK because we don’t even have (or want?) proportional representation.

  • technicolour

    Macky: 24 Feb 2.17 “Putin’s hands may indeed not be spotlessly clean, but compared to the others who are up to their necks in blood, this really hardly matters”

  • technicolour

    Peacewisher: the ‘legitimacy’ of the Russian elections, is rather a large subject – and I’m off to bed!

  • John Goss

    John Spencer-Davis 1 Mar, 2015 – 9:34 pm

    Yes, thank you for that. Apparently it is a lotus. However, as we both know, some symbols can be made to look like others. I still wonder in awe at the imagery of the London Olympics, and all the famous freemasons featured in the opening ceremony. The “apparent” lotus appears to have been made to imitate the unmistakeable image of compass and square. That is no reflection on those wearing the gowns.

    Of course, President George W. Bush, the one who lost an election but won the presidency, was one of the first (perhaps the only one) not to swear his oath of allegiance on the Masonic Bible, though he was at University a member of the secret “Skull and Bones” Society.

    Thank you for your comment.

  • Macky

    @Technicolour, Very cheap & classy, taking a comment out of context, funny what you left out;

    “Putin’s hands may indeed not be spotlessly clean, but compared to the others who are up to their necks in blood, this really hardly matters, unless you really believe that this excuses or mitigates the genocidal campaign unleashed by the Junta against it’s own people living in the East”

    Shameless.

  • John Goss

    I wonder why the Russian authorities have detained Nemtsov’s 23 year old Ukrainian girlfriend model? Do they think it might have been a honey-trap? No. Really?

  • Clark

    Peacewisher, I apologise for getting upset earlier, and I’m sorry if I’ve failed to give proper attention to one of your questions.

    Peacewisher, the abuse from Macky and John Goss is taking its toll on me. I used to enjoy the conversation here, but the constant aggression from these two is damaging my state of mind.

    I find it distressing to witness John Goss’s sustained abuse of Resident Dissident. Macky is one of the most unpleasant, abusive and dishonest commenters I’ve ever encountered at this site*. According to these two, the Kremlin can do no wrong. Anyone who presents any evidence to the contrary is immediately accused of “supporting fascists” by John Goss; objecting to this results in further abuse from Macky; watch out for the words: inane, irrational, illogical, hysterical.

    (*Habbabkuk deserves a mention, too, but it’s too much to describe in detail)

    I believe that these two are probably part of the Kremlin Internet propaganda operation. Macky may well ridicule this suggestion, but Macky did not ridicule John Goss when he accused Resident Dissident of being a “spook”. Please watch for the pattern.

    I do think that John Goss and Macky should leave the site; Macky for her dishonesty and John Goss for his sustained abuse, and because I believe that neither of them are posting in good faith. Their constant bullying and abuse is warping the direction of discussion here, which is presumably their intention.

    This is why I spent an hour asking them both, plainly, directly and without abuse, whether they would deliberately work in the interests of the Kremlin. Not that neither of them would simply deny that they did, but deployed all manner of smears and diversions instead. From the following comment for about an hour:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/amnesty-international-conference-on-torture/comment-page-10/#comment-511681

    Consequently, I’ve come to the conclusion that they are pro-Kremlin shills. We know that other governments have such operations; Israel has Hasbara, Squeaky Dolphin operates through GCHQ, I think; the US commissioned software to streamline such operations, and China have the “50 cent trolls”. The following links concern the pro-Kremlin variety:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=russian+internet+trolling+operation

  • John Spencer-Davis

    John Goss
    01/03/15 10:49 pm

    If you save the picture into your pictures file, then use Photo Viewer to open it, you can enlarge and examine the design. It’s as clear as mud, for sure, but I think you will agree that it bears little resemblance to the square and compasses.

    Kind regards,

    John

  • John Goss

    Clark, you’ve totally lost it. Take a rest, for God’s sake man. You can’t see the wood for the trees. There are hundreds who comment here supporting one party or another, one government or another, one argument or another. I’m sorry I do not agree with your support for the Kiev government. I do honestly believe that Russia is the innocent party in the Ukraine conflict, and that the United States, and some of its allies, are the guilty ones. This is based on evidence: the Paet-Ashton intercepted phone call, Nuland’s visits and promotion of the thugs in the Ukraine government, Biden’s visits and his son’s directorship in future fracking of Eastern Ukraine, Yatsenyuk’s Party sponsorship by NATO and Chatham House, the massacres in Odessa and a whole host of other incidents that point the finger directly at Kiev. You can say you do not agree with me, and as the saying goes, I will defend your right to hold an alternative viewpoint. But nothing you have written has convinced me that your arguments opposed to Russia (and in favour of Kiev) have won me over.

    Live with it.

  • Clark

    I expect that Boris Nemtsov was murdered merely as part of a propaganda exercise, so that this demonstration could be misrepresented in Russian state-controlled media as a mourning procession rather than a protest against the Kremlin’s part in the proxy war in Ukraine:

    http://rt.com/news/236569-nemtsov-mourning-rally-murder/

    That was not a mourning procession. I heard that that demonstration was going to take place before Boris Nemtsov was murdered.

    Liars and murderers.

  • Macky

    Peacewisher; “A number of Russians died there. I think that’s why that Ukrainian MP was arrested in Moscow… suggestion that he may have been responsible”

    Do you have a source for confirming that Russians were killed there ?

    The Ukrainian MP claimed diplomatic immunity, and has been released to the Ukrainian Embassy.

    Re the Odessa Massacre, here’s some basics;

    http://scgnews.com/the-odessa-massacre-what-really-happened

  • Clark

    John Goss, I do NOT support the Kiev government, nor ANY OTHER government. I support people and their right to live in peace, their right truthful information, and their right to freedom from propaganda and perception management.

  • Peacewisher

    @Clark: I have to say that I profoundly disagree with you that Nemtsov was murdered by he state. There is no evidence, and no motive… except in the distortions that we expect from the anti-Russian press.

    Putin would probably have been perceived by Putin rather the way Enoch Powell would have been perceived by the labour leadership when they were in power in the 1970s… if anything as a useful idiot e.g. who helped Harold Wilson win the EEC vote in 1975.

    He had a popular but small following, and that diluted the opposition. Politically, Putin would have been very disappointed to lose such an open critic.

    Nobody has apparently considered that he was cohorting very publicly with a very pretty woman and someone may have been very jealous… although a political motive (from his own side or radical separatists) seems more likely. Do you remember the assassination of Airey Neave? Blamed on the IRA but I don’t think they ever accepted responsibility. Good to see a retired British Police firearms expert providing a few insights on RT.

  • Macky

    Clark; “I expect that Boris Nemtsov was murdered merely as part of a propaganda exercise, so that this demonstration could be misrepresented in Russian state-controlled media as a mourning procession rather than a protest against the Kremlin’s part in the proxy war in Ukraine”

    From one crazed conspiracy theory, to a rather more plausible one;

    “When you play with the CIA/NGO crowd and the propaganda value of your death is more than your actual operative value to them, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.”

    But for some interesting rational reasonings;

    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/did-us-murder-boris-nemstov-imminent.html

    This too, especially the comments;

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

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