Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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“Someones, a bit touchy, I’m afraid mods you opened your own can of worms by deciding to comply with commentors wishes (rather childish wishes I might add) of who’s using what name and when.”
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Well, Republicofscotland, your friends Mr Goss and Macky appear to attach considerable importance to use of nicks and so on (see their posts, above).
Shouldn’t you be discussing this question with them?
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PS – you should be glad I haven’t requested the Mods to look into you a little more carefully. Just to establish you’re kosher, so to speak.
” Had the perpetrators been gangs of MPs and ministers, or high level civil servants$, or high ranking police officers or other public figures, there is no doubt that this thread would have attracted dozens of outraged comments on the subject. ”
Or indeed Jews rather than Muslims.
“I suspect that couldn’t be soon enough for some people, Republicofscotland.”
“Sorry to have to be so blunt.”
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No need to feel sorry old boy, at least with you, I know what to expect.
But, for now, I’m still around.
“He was a co-author of the 2006 ‘Euston Manifesto’, a modern statement of social democratic antitotalitarianism, and in 2007 he edited Global Politics After 9/11: The Democratiya Interviews.”
Ah, the Euston Manifesto’ that ultra Zionists like Aaronvitch, Cohen et al are a part of. That explains it.
Habbabkuk has posted under many different names and email addresses but has been consistent more recently. Tony M’s posts were easy to find due to the static IP address. Finding all of Habbabkuk’s would take too long because nothing is consistent except wanting to give a ‘good kicking’.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/palestine/comment-page-2/
Naomi Woolf on the West’s descent into fascism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKEpo93Txs
The original version is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f0sBA61L0Y
Congress demands Obama-approved IRS emails disclosing taxpayers’ info.
“PS – you should be glad I haven’t requested the Mods to look into you a little more carefully. Just to establish you’re kosher, so to speak.”
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I’d be more than delighted to let the mods rummage around my IP address, ask away, dear fellow.
But be aware, you may be wasting the mods time and effort, and find yourself, ever so delicately, being told there’s plenty of other blogs.
And if by chance you’re not told to take the subtle hint, then my point of parity, will be well and truly vindicated, though it would bring me no pleasure.
Daniel; “Ah, the Euston Manifesto’ that ultra Zionists like Aaronvitch, Cohen et al are a part of. That explains it.”
I forgot to tell you the other quip he said to me iro Johnson’s claim of a 1:1 collateral ratio, “that must be his IQ, 1,1 = 11” 😀
Don’t beat yourself up too much Daniel, as it’s not the first time he has come to KC, so I’m sure it won’t be the last either.
I remember being bemused by Andrei Amalrik’s Can the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?, published in 1970 or so, that of course it would survive that long, and much longer. (Actually, I read it in German, because I read it while I was stationed in Berlin.) I remember still thinking in the early 1980’s that the USSR still had a lot of life in it. I was not the only one fooled by its apparent stability.
Similarly, in the early 1980’s, I remember thinking that apartheid South Africa still had decades of life in it.
That sort of system seems stable for a long time, and then it collapses within a few years.
Clark; “John, you don’t even KNOW what I think regarding Ukraine. You’ve never asked!”
&
Clark; ” You found my comment above “very, very surprising” because of your assumption that I’m biased”
The answer to both these comments is that you haven’t provided any convincing reasoning for any of your many Ukraine statements, such for example these three;
“I regard the presence of Russian and pro-Russian forces in east Ukraine as proven”
“I accept that there was widespread support for the overthrow of the former Ukrainian government”
“it was the people who overthrew the government, no matter that the new government proceeded to attack east Ukraine”
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@Daniel, no demonstrations outside; there were several pro-Israeli hecklers, who kept getting owned by NF, so they were increasing getting more & more angry, which is the reason why the Organisers ended the event during Q&As, a full half hour before they really had to.
Macky, you’ll find evidence for all of those in the article you linked. That’s why I approved of it. It tells both sides.
Propaganda seems to be achieved mostly by selective omission, though there’s increasingly direct fabrication and lying. No one side is innocent.
Gorbachev’s comments on the Nemtsov murder were referred to on the thread a couple of days ago. I’m surprised they haven’t generated further discussion as they were both sensitive to his memory and very perceptive in their conclusions-
http://rbth.co.uk/news/2015/02/28/gorbachev_nemtsov_murder_a_scheme_to_provoke_political_trouble_in_russia_44089.html
Sky yesterday gave a potted history of recent killings of Russian opposition figures where the state was either clearly implicated (Magnitsky), or where the usual ‘anti Russian forces’, in Gorbachev’s words, insinuate that it must be involved (Berezhovksy)
http://news.sky.com/story/1437519/the-putin-critics-who-have-been-assassinated
Just to prove how keen they are to exploit the latest killing , Sky append a list of alleged ‘show trials’ to the ‘assassinations’ list, thus verifying Gorby’s prediction of four days ago.
Clark; “Macky, you’ll find evidence for all of those in the article you linked”
Well I read it twice, & just now skimmed through, and I don’t recall or see evidence for your assertions, so you will have to point all this “evidence” out.
“I forgot to tell you the other quip he said to me iro Johnson’s claim of a 1:1 collateral ratio, “that must be his IQ, 1,1 = 11″ :D”
LOL….I recently saw the edition of BBC’s Hard Talk in 2012 when Norman was interviewed by Sarah Montague. It was not not so much a interview though, rather an inquisition. He could hardly get a word in. She was intellectually incapable of engaging in the issues and maintaining any semblance of lucidity in responding to the points he was making. At one point she contradicted herself in the same sentence by suggesting he “could return to Israel any time that he likes but was banned from the country.” This drew a wry smile from Norman who must of though “what an absolute clown I’m dealing with here.”
Herbie, you gave some excellent links there, RE: Naomi Wolf and freedom and democracy. However, your first link was to a Russia Today piece, and whilst I have no problem with RT, others will have a problem with it. So, here’s a short clip of Naomi Wolf speaking last year; raw footage; not from any news organisation. I would strongly advise folks to listen to what she says…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otQ3qnX-bQ
Re the Nemtsov murder, here’s an interesting comment;
“Yet, during my years at the Associated Press, one of my articles was about a CIA “psychological operations” manual which an agency contractor prepared for the Nicaraguan Contra rebels noting the value of assassinating someone on your own side to create a “martyr” for the cause. I’m in no way suggesting that such a motive was in play regarding Nemtsov’s slaying but it’s not as if this idea is entirely preposterous either.”
The whole article about the general situation iro Ukraine is a very good read, as are some of the comment;
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/02/playing-chicken-with-nuclear-war/
“Propaganda seems to be achieved mostly by selective omission, though there’s increasingly direct fabrication and lying.”
Those are but supporting tools.
The propaganda is the overall narrative.
Omissions and lying, fabrications and so on are there to support the main propaganda narrative.
So, The West’s propaganda narrative is that Russia is expansionist and must be contained.
The fabrications, lies and omissions you see in media and elsewhere are there only to sustain this narrative.
Russia and the rest of the non-NATO world are trying to point up the holes in this narrative.
Anyway, we know that the West doesn’t care about Ukraine or anywhere else for that matter. Ukraine is just a means to an end, namely the subjugation of Russia to Western banking and corporate interests.
You see, in such circumstances Russia and the rest of the non-NATO world don’t have to lie. They just have to point out that the West is lying, as we already know it is.
There’s no real equality of lying and propaganda, as you seem to think. It doesn’t work that way.
It’s the agenda setters who need the big propaganda, because they’ve an overall objective to overturn some status quo.
In these circumstances, Russian propaganda will be minimal and reactive, involving smaller issues like tactics and so on.
The main thrust of Russia will be just to poke holes in the West’s propaganda narrative, and that can hardly be described as propaganda.
“@Daniel, no demonstrations outside; there were several pro-Israeli hecklers, who kept getting owned by NF, so they were increasing getting more & more angry, which is the reason why the Organisers ended the event during Q&As, a full half hour before they really had to.”
These ultra Zionists are so lame. Over the last couple of weeks I’ve been posting on the pro-Israel CiF Watch website which amounts to a handful of fascists agreeing with one another. I was one of only two posters who challenged their propaganda and was banned from the site as a result.
[cm-org.uk – some of Habbabkuk’s other names (email addresses withheld, but the identicons show the variation): Jerôme, Reuben, Windy, Habbakuk and Johnnie. There are more IP’s to check
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/11/israels-best-puppet-shamed/comment-page-1/#comment-376798
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“Habbabkuk has posted under many different names and email addresses but has been consistent more recently. Tony M’s posts were easy to find due to the static IP address. Finding all of Habbabkuk’s would take too long because nothing is consistent except wanting to give a ‘good kicking’.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/palestine/comment-page-2/”
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With respect, I shall interpret the above as the Mods attempting to regain street-cred with a few of the more indignant commenters (“the Mods are biassed in favour of Habbabkuk!!”) rather than as an accurate statement of historical fact.
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(What is being said is “Habbabkuk has used many nicks and addresses but I can’t actually tell you how many or what they were so you’ll just have to take my word for it”. Or perhaps Mr Goss’s word – which would be most unwise.
Having said that, I think the Mods are doing a good job)
Macky, I’ll probably be a week or so reading that article and following up the numerous links it contains. Sorry, it’ll have to wait.
Someone linked a Vice or Daily Beast article about the Russian soldiers being smuggled back into Russia from Ukraine. And those “combine harvesters” were artillery. And a huge crowd of Russians would have turned out to oppose “Putin’s aggression”, but Nemtsov was shot so the anti-war demonstration got relabelled as a memorial procession. And the Kremlin already took Crimea.
None of this means that there are no fascists in the Kiev government and forces. Your linked article has plenty of credible evidence for that, too.
Putin Predicted Washington Would Employ Assassination Tactic Against Russia — Paul Craig Roberts:
And I fear the same may be said of the UK media. Certainly of the BBC.
“These ultra Zionists are so lame. Over the last couple of weeks I’ve been posting on the pro-Israel CiF Watch website which amounts to a handful of fascists agreeing with one another. I was one of only two posters who challenged their propaganda and was banned from the site as a result.”
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I know what Daniel means and I sympathise!
Why, those ultra left-wing conspiracy nuts and West-haters are so lame. Over the last couple of years I’ve been posting on Craig Murray’s website which amounts to at most a score of left fascists agreeing with each other. I was one of only a small handful of posters who challenged their propaganda and was (very temporarily) banned from the site as result.
[cm-org.uk – Habbabkuk you were banned accidentally yesterday by a stray touch-to-click accident, for a matter of minutes. It was cooperation among the site team that got you unbanned promptly.
You’ve been on pre-mod occasionally for personal remarks, but that’s not the same. All of your political comment has been published – even if it meant editing out the personal wind-ups]
@Daniel, yes he mentioned that experience about “Hard Talk”, and said it really should be called “Hard To Talk” !
He is a very witty & humorous guy, and he uses this when he debates, both to emphasis a point he is making, or to dismiss a ridiculous counterpoint somebody is making against him; unfortunately his enemies are now so afraid of this, that the accusation is often made against him of using “words as weapons”, of being aggressively confrontational, rude, etc, etc
It’s a ad homeim tactic of course, but picked-up by MSM, as it was in that Hard Talk show.
For you haven’t see the recent The Making of Norman Finkelstein – Reality Asserts Itself series by TheRealNews, is a very close-up & personal set of interviews.
No surprise: Israel and the Mossad were very much involved in the coup in Venezuela that the U.S. attempted in February” Obama failed his coup in Venezuela.
Clark @8.58; “Macky, you’ll find evidence for all of those in the article you linked. That’s why I approved of it. It tells both sides.”
Clark @9.59; “Macky, I’ll probably be a week or so reading that article and following up the numerous links it contains. Sorry, it’ll have to wait.”
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Habbabkuk; “I was one of only a small handful of posters who challenged their propaganda and was (very temporarily) banned from the site as result.”
Those here long enough know that this a complete & typical lying rewrite; you were banned for a very unpleasant Post in which you stated that another Poster had been sodomised as a child; you were never really unbanned, but took advantage of a change of Moderators, to start posting again.
At least Walter Mitty was harmlessly delusional, & not a shameless malicious & delusional liar.
Macky, I already commented that I’d only skim-read the article, I’d followed some of the links, but not most. It’s a long article; even skim-reading and checking a small proportion of the links took considerable time. Links lead to other links, and sometimes I looked up some of the terms and people. I checked out some of the sites linked to, to see what slant they carried.
I think the article title is unrepresentative of the article as a whole, but you get that with lots of headlines, too.
Sorry Macky; maybe you have more time to dedicate to this than I do.
http://www.killick1.plus.com/uploads/ukraine-summary.html