Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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Hillary’s top aides also used secret e-mail accounts.
Clark; “I think the article title is unrepresentative of the article as a whole”
Somehow I think you are going to have problem with rather a lot of the article, just judging by some of the paragraph headings !;
The coup d’état of the United States.
Time for plunder.
Pro-Russian politicians don’t exist, only terrorists.
The Chocolate King and the Gas Princess still on the throne.
Crimes against humanity.
Blinders on, earplugs in and mouth caps on.
The Russian population backs Putin.
That when you get around to reading them, of course.
This article is good, but far from perfect or comprehensive, especially when you consider it was written 6 months ago, which is why you should cast an eye on some of the newer articles that are being posted here.
Herbie, we are in Stepford Wives land.
It’s absolutely horrendous how many posters here turn away from ‘real stuff’ and want to talk about, say, the minutae of the Ukraine conflict.
You tossers all live in a police state, and you don’t even realise it.
Macky, to answer some of your earlier points, from that article:
Kremlin pressure upon Ukrainian government:
The people of Euromaiden were instrumental in the change of the Ukrainian government – so it was at least partly revolution:
Macky, 10:32 pm; maybe I read rather differently from you. I ignore the opinionated headings – in fact, I hadn’t even noticed tham. Maybe you read them and skim all the facts in between. maybe that’s why you expect me to read it in minutes, whereas I expect to take a week over it. It is a summary of months of events.
RobG, 10:35 pm, I wrote masses to you on the other thread:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/01/todays-independence-rally/comment-page-3/#comment-509341
Judging how little you’ve replied to it, you’ve barely read it. If you had, you’d know why I work so hard trying to maintain the political credibility of this blog. It’s because this blog is a tool that actually WORKS.
No, we DON’T live in a police state – YET. We can still influence things. Craig does NOT get shot for opposing the government. Stop moaning, read my stuff and get to WORK on it.
Mods
“[cm-org.uk – Habbabkuk you were banned accidentally yesterday by a stray touch-to-click accident, for a matter of minutes. It was cooperation among the site team that got you unbanned promptly.”
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Misunderstanding here, I think. I wasn’t aware that I’d been banned accidentally yesterday and was actually referring to my temporary banning of about a year (perhaps it was even further back?) ago.
Or are you on the burgundy again Rob? That’s OK, but stop merely moaning and make some damn effort. I did. Go read the results and engage with them.
The subject of Chechnya is frequently raised as a trump card, second only to the Stalin-Ribbentrop pact of the thirties in the Russophobes arsenal. Certainly the Moscow apartment bombings affair remains shrouded in accusation and counter-accusation, but it would not be incorrect to state that foreign (Saudi) funded indoctrinated jihadists (aka The Afghan Mujahadeen, Al-Quaeda, ISIL, ISIS, IS …), with US support, arms, training, as well as probably involvement of terrorist supremo Bandar (Bush) were factors in Chechnya, perhaps initiating ones, in this conflict. Certainly it has been the widely and publicly stated desire, intention, obsession of of neo-con luminary Zbigniew Brezinski, and of his followers and successors to destabilise these former USSR republics, as in Georgia, South Ossettia, today in Ukraine, using jihadists, Banderite opportunists or any such ugly gullible bunch, so the argument that the post-soviet democratic Russia did not have grounds to react to such provocations and destablising interference in Chechnya by what were and are US proxies does not stand up. Nor would have it necessarily required, would actually seem superfluous to engineer false-flags in the apartment bombings, as alleged, when the intervention that took place must have done so inevitably, reluctantly and was reactive to the deteriorating situation there.
“[cm-org.uk – some of Habbabkuk’s other names (email addresses withheld, but the identicons show the variation): Jerôme, Reuben, Windy, Habbakuk and Johnnie. There are more IP’s to check”
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Jerôme and Reuben ring a bell, and Habbakuk must have been a mispell and so doesn’t count, but Windy and Johnnie?????
Don’t forget Red Robbo, which was for the real Red Robbo’s friend who very occasionally posts on here about a far-off despot of whom we know too much
I am disappointed to read that, already two years ago, NAAFI Clubs were scheduled to close down. Naafi to shut up shop after century of service:
AFTER nearly a century of dedicated service to the British military, the Naafi is to beat a retreat.
I suppose by now they must have closed. I used to regularly visit the NAAFI Club in Berlin when I was stationed there and buy books. (I don’t recall the American military having had a single book store in Berlin.) One of the books I particularly treasure that I bought there was my Liddell & Scott Greek lexicon, which saw a great deal of use during my time at Oxford and then in graduate school when I returned to the U.S.
We Americans now live as much under a constitutional republic as Romans did under Augustus Caesar’s Res Publica Restituta.
“No surprise: Israel and the Mossad were very much involved in the coup in Venezuela that the U.S. attempted in February” Obama failed his coup in Venezuela.”
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And no surprise that our shy Oxford Lit Him graduate, US Navy officer and US Army Berlin garrison officer – yes, I refer to Lysias – should have omitted to give us the details of his link up-front.
The publication is the by now well-known “voltairnet” and the author of the piece Lysias linked to is none other than the egregious Thierry Meyssan (check him out on Wikipedia!)
Clark. do you really want me to go into (again) the stuff that doesn’t get reported in the MSM?
In light of that, just think of what else they don’t tell you about.
Maybe it’s time to stop being one of the Stepford Wives?
The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum.
I make no apologies for being sane.
“I suppose by now they must have closed. I used to regularly visit the NAAFI Club in Berlin when I was stationed there and buy books. (I don’t recall the American military having had a single book store in Berlin.) One of the books I particularly treasure that I bought there was my Liddell & Scott Greek lexicon, which saw a great deal of use during my time at Oxford and then in graduate school when I returned to the U.S.”
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That would have been a perfect post, Lysias, except that you omitted a reference to your German language skills.
Herbie, 9:36 pm; I really don’t know how you can believe that. The Kremlin was blackmailing Ukraine and has taken Crimea. RT is blatant propaganda; control of Russian media is aimed primarily at the Russian population, not us in the “West”. That, and killing journalists and opposition figures, is to maintain the Kremlin’s status quo, to maintain the power of Putin and the oligarchs in the face of their robbery of the Russian people. JUST the same as our elite manipulate the populations of the “West”.
Habba, were you familiar with West Berlin in the Cold War days?
Perhaps you can more closely identify the bookstore you are talking about?
RobG, 11:05 pm; no what I want you to do is help me work out what the best things are to get into the mass media. We have to focus, and we have to be right. It’s no use just scare-mongering; it’d just get torn to bits; discredited. We need a solid case.
“I make no apologies for being sane.”
As you know, the conformists to official propaganda think we’re insane.
They stare at the moving shadows on the back of the cave, and woe betide anyone who contradicts them.
The posters on here have no excuse though. They’ve heard of Chomsky. They well know what he says of the West’s ongoing imperialism.
Yet every time the West launches a new offensive the muppets are back again blaming the victim.
Like they’ve got the attention span of a dead sausage.
It’s a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. I’m sure there must be loads of work explaining this process.
Stupidity, regulatory capture, greed, whatever.
@Clark, Even if totally true, which of your three assertions what does your first extract support ?
The extract removes it from its relevant context that the EU were also trying to blackmail Ukraine especially via their IMF demands, etc, and doesn’t place into context the much better & vitally needed generous Russian loan & generous gas supply subsidy.
Even bearing in mind that Russia in all this is reacting in a realpolitik manner to basically an existential threat, ie Ukraine ultimately becoming part of NATO, that the initial measure that she would take, would be to hurt mostly the pro-Russian Ukrainians of Eastern Ukraine, seems a bit suspect to me.
As to your second extract, which I guess you believe supports both these;
“I accept that there was widespread support for the overthrow of the former Ukrainian government”
“it was the people who overthrew the government, no matter that the new government proceeded to attack east Ukraine”
I point out that the mention of “social media” is a almost certainly a direct reference to the role of the various US NGO’s; years of work & Nuland’s 5 billion all went into those NGOs, of which many specialised in the use of social media to forment sedition.Ukrainians for years have been holding periodic demonstrations against their corrupt rulers, which normally last a couple of days until the next time, and it was this factor that the foreign NGOs were focused on to exploit.
As to demonstrations of hundreds of thousands, perhaps, but even so we had a demonstration of 2 million in the run-up to Iraq, which didn’t even change policy, nevermind Government; how about the rest of the 45 million Ukrainians, how do you know about their “widespread support” ? The claim that “police violence” motivated the crowd does not ring true either, you only have to view the footage of the demos to see that the police were obviously under orders to avoid bloodshed, as armed only with plastic shields they face protestors with clubs, chains, petrol bombs, etc, day after day, and they really did not to strike back.
Notice the brief mention of the snipers, whereas in fact, almost all commentators/analysis agree that without the bloodshed & chaos caused by the snipers, there would have been a negotiated transfer of power; so far from the people overthrowing the government, the snipers actually cheated the people of this role, and caused it themselves.
There’s more to add, but I have a very early start tomorrow.
So, everything’s going to hell in a handbasket, but don’t worry because nice people on the internet tell you that everything’s ok.
Oh my gawd…
Herbie, as far as I’m concerned there are people here who are now conformist to official KREMLIN propaganda. OK, they’ve made one leap, away from “Western” propaganda, but they haven’t got the whole way across yet.
Washington takes more than the Kremlin because it’s more powerful; that’s all. But the Kremlin takes, too, when it can.
I am not meaning to boast. I am meaning to render more incredible and ridiculous every repetition of doubt about what I have said about my past.
Macky, “generous Russian gas”? You are joking, right? Like, Gazprom has never turned Ukraine’s gas off in the middle of winter, right?
Macky, you do know how pushers do business, right? Get them hooked, and they’ll do anything. Never heard of a “crack whore”, no?
Clark, Britain is now a police state. Fullstop.
Clark; “Macky, “generous Russian gas”? You are joking, right?”
From the article;
“Russia offered a way out with a loan of 15 billion dollars and a 33% reduction in gas prices.”
It’s not just Thierry Meyssan who is writing about the attempted coup in Venezuela. The hispanophone press is as well: Venezuela denuncia golpe de Estado de EEUU e Israel.
No surprise there, when one considers the past, like the coup in Honduras in 2009: Denuncian implicación israelí en golpe de Estado en Honduras: El diputado venezolano Adel El Zabayar reveló hoy la implicación de los servicios de inteligencia de Israel (Mossad) en el golpe de Estado perpetrado el pasado domingo contra el presidente constitucional hondureño, Manuel Zelaya.
Clark
You’re getting a bit confused between the maintenance of order internally, and international disorder.
And you really do seem to believe that these Western wars are some kind of rights and wrongs issue for the West.
You see, if you don’t understand that the West is actually trying to conquer the planet, then you’ll only make foolish choices when presented with such events.
You, whether you know it or not, are the Western bankers best friend.
Why are you so against the rest of the world getting some freedom from the depredations of Western bankers.
That’s what this is about.
You’re either with the bankers or you’re with the peeps.
Mcky,don’t quote that five billion; that was everything, over the course of several years. The figure for the relevant time-scale is in your article; five hundred thousand dollars.
OK, social media. Big deal. THIS is social media. Yanukovich fled because the people came out onto the streets against POLICE violence, without which social media would have had nothing to circulate. We saw the videos; Phil gave us direct word from his friends, who STILL support the people’s actions.
Grief, Macky. You rob me of hope. You tell me that if we, the people, need to oppose our governments on the streets in the “West”, people like you in Russia will be doing all they can to rob us of support! Sorry, WHO is a victim of propaganda here?