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  • Macky

    @Clark, still waiting for Craig to withdrawn his vilely incorrect comments about the Odessa Massacre, in which he stated that it was Putin’s fault for encouraging club wielding Russians to attack Ukrainians, in which he stated that the overwhelming majority of the victims would be young Russian men; we now know that many women & some children were killed, and that none of the victims were Russian, all were local Ukrainian residents of Odessa,

  • Clark

    RobG, I’m yet to see any knowledge of nuclear physics from you, just a load of confusion. There are the alpha particle emission energies on your blog, but maybe you just looked them up. Maybe you’re just basking in Craig’s limelight, maybe you’re just an extra element of distraction to aid all the astroturf around here. Maybe you just like moaning. From what I’ve seen so far, you certainly aren’t ready to show off your knowledge, because more than half of it is plain wrong.

    Macky, you’re just a joke. Later, if ever, OK? You’re saying you won’t give someone a rational argument because it’s rude unless it’s rational. Go bite your own tail.

    Night night parrots.

  • Herbie

    For anyone interested in geopolitics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Theory

    And this is very much Zbigniew Brzezinski’s approach. He’s been mentoring Democratic presidents since Jimmy Carter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

    You can imagine that each president didn’t know the overall plan, just playing their little part in contingent incidents that altogether amounted to a much bigger picture that they just didn’t see.

    I think those days are gone now.

    The big picture is right up there now, for all to see. For all who want to see.

  • RobG

    Clark, be specific. What aspect of nuclear energy do you want to talk about?

    And I’m sure you know that I can wipe the floor with you on any of this stuff.

    Your knowledge is lacking, to say the least.

    Hence the lack of engagement.

  • Peacewisher

    @Fred: LOL! “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…”

    The modus operandi of 21st century governments seems to be:

    let’s keep a very close watch on our citizens.
    teehee… we now have the technology
    we can watch their every move…
    it’s in their interests, of course.

  • fred

    “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…”

    I don’t have a boss, never did.

    Looking like I’m the only one.

  • Peacewisher

    Fred… it’s from a song.

    Old boss = last govt
    New boss = new govt.

    Difference… zilch.

    “Won’t get fooled again”… but we do!

  • glenn_uk

    @Macky: Clark is trying to reach out to you, and John Goss. It’s not polite to slap away the hand holding that olive branch.

    Everyone knows how superior you are in every respect imaginable, and even those that are not even imaginable by your inferiors (i.e. everything by everyone else). So try to show a bit of grace, just to undermine the magnanimity that complements your total and beneficent magnificence, eh?

    Clark was saying that he approved of your link, and expressed clear gratitude that you’d sent something giving more than a single point of view. Why not use that as a point of convergence?

    *
    Hope I’m not sounding too Kum-Buy-Yah’ish tonight, but there ought to be a bit less rancour on the left side of the isle, I’d have thought. Or would like to think, anyway.

  • glenn_uk

    @Lysias: There is much to criticise about Hillary Clinton, most of which concerns her pro-corporate rightist-centrism, her extremely close ties with the banksters, the hawkish pro-Israeli bias, and much else.

    Banging on about a failure to have an email account as secretary of state is pretty thin stuff. I think anyone could get hold of her, if they actually needed to. And some heads of state have secret email addresses? JHC – do you think Biden writes to barack [email protected] if he needs to advise him on something? Don’t you think that address’s mailbox might be, well, quite heavily loaded? Surely everyone has a dozen secret email addresses! You don’t want every jackass to be able to waste your time.

    Secondly, and more importantly – Benghazi. Just because Fox News use “Benghazi” instead of punctuation points, that does not mean there’s anything to it. There have been literally scores of congressional hearings into H. Clinton’s involvement to the Benghazi incident, while almost nothing has been said to comparable incidents under Republican administrations (including Dubbya’s). No fault has been found, there is no smoking gun.

    The Benghazi tub-thumping is just that, keeping throwing mud, keep holding hearings, get your pet Radio Rwanda terror broadcast network like “Fox News” to keep pumping the line, and lazy people will start thinking there must be something to it. You have clearly fallen prey to such deception.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Putin in 2012 – Opposition is looking to turn someone into “involuntary martyr”

    “Concerning false flag attacks at rallies and such. I hope no-one will step over that line, everything will be kept within legal limits. And hopefully the attempts to provoke law enforcement response would be in vain. Because the forces you mentioned really want violent clashes. And keep trying to start them. They are even ready to sacrifice someone in order to blame the government. I know this tactic, they’ve been trying to use it for the past ten years. This method, mostly used by those working from abroad, I’m telling you this – I know this is a fact. They’re even looking for someone to be made a martyr. A famous person of some sort. They will whack him themselves [sorry for the phrasing] and then blame it on the government. There are people there capable of this, I’m not exaggerating here.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Qwju5nJ-w

  • glenn_uk

    Jeez, it gets harder all the time to read through this stuff. I wish CM might start a new thread, if even to say nothing except, “Morning all !”

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    @John Goss: “It’s true. It will get worse. At the moment you can say what you want, pretty well, and walk around freely, pretty well (providing you do not practice Islam).

    Well I don’t know about that, John. We see a hell of a lot of women in bee-keeper outfits around here, women well veiled up while driving around (I suppose they’re lucky to do that), and very obviously Muslim types traipsing about the place, or even striding at times, without any apparent awareness of the danger of the State pouncing on them.

    Not sure how free these women actually feel about wearing that bee-keeper outfit, or if it’s just le fashion de rigueur. But it appears to be much more widespread and – dare I say – demanded of women these days.

    Come on, let’s keep it real here.

  • glenn_uk

    @RobG : “I don’t want my knowledge buried away in a thread that very few people will read.

    It will not be. It will be of great interest, particularly if it’s worth the bother of pulling people in who will actually be able to comment on it from – shall we say – certain heights.

    It’s all reproducible in any event, and can also be done (repeated, if you like!) on your blog. Or Squonk’s. Here it would be lost in a rambling ongoing farce.

    Is there ANY venue which might be most suitable?

  • lysias

    I never watch Fox News, but I strongly suspect what went wrong with Benghazi was connected with shipping weapons and jihadists under CIA auspices from Libya to the Syrian rebels. Not good. And all the mess in Libya happened in the first place because we (stupidly) intervened there. A policy very much supported by Hillary.

  • BrianFujisan

    Logic Vs Human Emotion.. I like to think i have a Logical way of thinking… But vulcans seemed to love Poetry, Art, More real life – the Samurai loved poetry…Logical minds can, at least in Humans, Be flawed ..As both Macky, and Clark have Demonstrated recently.

    Macky Clark is correct that the Blog should not be reserved for war worn bloggers.. sensitive souls DON’T Feel the Pain Any less..Re the evils…Yes mostly by the West…Perhaps such souls should refrain from posting poetry on the political Domain.. ( aint saying Squonk is all Politics Not at all )

    Glen is also correct… That Clark offered peace…at that stage..Re you’re link.

    i wish you had met Phil… somehow i think a good thing would have come of it.. Aint met the wee Telescopic Hoarder..(Lender ooter ) but i fear he wont Bite..
    Come on people…i seen a calming there for a while. Peace the Fuck up.

  • giyane

    John Goss

    ““You are all in a concentration camp, and you don’t even realise it.”

    It’s true. It will get worse. At the moment you can say what you want, pretty well, and walk around freely, pretty well (providing you do not practice Islam).”

    One lecture I attended by an American scholar before I entered Islam described the process of de-humanising us by Global capitalism. He described the destruction of secular-ethics in the form of Socialism as a preliminary to the destruction of religious-ethics in the form of Christianity and Islam.

    The chief Gonk, Iain Orr, has arrived with his diplomatic tool-kit, stethoscope and forceps, to claim that Mrs Thatcher had no intention to destroy the working class. Commonsense members of her own cabinet prevented her from following her lunatic policies, the logical conclusion of which was there would be no fuel to burn, nobody to fix anything and no communal power against the theiving managerial and upper-classes.

    Workers are now more monitored than prisoners in and out their places of work, and thought-crime includes almost everything.

    The conditions under which Muslims can now practise Islam are that every word they breathe to their wife under the bed-clothes and every move of their body through the open spaces of the globe is monitored.

    I listened to the Frank Goebbels Gardner on Today this morning, claiming that Turkey was not monitoring UK jihadists enough. I swear by Allah that not one jihadist enters the jihad in Syria without the encouragement, knowledge and protection of the UK security services. It is a folly of gigantic proportions conducted agianst the Syrian people by political Islam to seek power from the enemies of Islam.

    The threat to Muslims since before colonial times has always been from the ambition of Muslims wishing to take power from the enemy to fulfil their own delusional, psychotic dreams of controlling others.

    Praise be to God, the Syrian people have resisted the crazies for 4 year. The jihad against loonies from Neo-cons or criminal warmongering imams is now a communal effort. Socialists have to defend the secular humanity of their cause shoulder to shoulder with Muslims who refuse to become slaves to Zionist Global Capitalism by being sold by their own nutter leaders.

    We shall overcome.

  • Clark

    Giyane, good morning to you, too. I went to one of Iain Orr’s philosophy meetings a while back. The theme was what is it like to be a bat? You’d have enjoyed it.

    I do think Thatcher believed in what she was doing. That didn’t make it right; it just made her even more wrong.

  • Jay

    The corporations are the state being that they are the primary force that was once the nation. If you re-nationalised the railways they would still be controlled by people the same.
    Everything is controlled by people so to change things people can only do it.

    What you can’t change is what is not everything and that’s attitude. Corporations can so People control is possible via corporations. So no need to re-nationalise- corporate policy is what changes things. The ways to do that are lobbying, invention, entryism. Any others?

  • giyane

    Tony M

    “I do find the mods indulgence of habbaduk’s unwarranted unnatural unhealthy inquisitiveness strange, it’s almost as disturbing as the habbaduk phenomenon itself.”

    Indeed. Google Habbabkuk and you get pictures of a sculpture, but the true prophet of Babylonian times would have been steadfastly against graven images of any kind.

    It’s like, this is the cumulative distortion of centuries of Western Culture and Imperialism. Is it not as valid as your ancient myths of truth and spirituality from thousand year-old religions?

    If the teachings of the present-day imams contradicts the Law of Moses, which Jesus said he did not come to change one jot, peace be to both of them, then the modern interpreters are obviously wrong. God will never change his true religion of Monotheism.
    If the Jews were not permitted to drive their fellow Jews out of their houses, the Muslims now are not allowed to do it to their fellow Muslims in Syria either, however many false fatwas they dig up from irrelevant history to justify their criminal actions.

    I have noticed that ridicule of Habbabkuk shuts him up to lick his wounds for a while, like a dog that has burnt its feet on hot-coals. Stop the ridicule and he starts swaggering around like the PM.

    Habbabkuk is a parody of falsehood, appealing to all the false traditions of our culture as accepted norms. His contributions are the projectile vomit of cathedral gargoyles, fixed in a grimace of illness and pain.

    Then Iain Orr comes along, like a mock gargoyle where the Anglo-Norman sculptor portrays someone showing his bottom. We are government. This is what we think of you. here is my bum.

  • Mary

    From Medialens

    Iraq contamination scientist wins the Rachel Carson Prize in Norway
    Posted by The Editors on March 5, 2015, 6:01 am

    The Rachel Carson Prize for 2015 has been awarded to Dr. Mozhgan Savabieasfahani for her research on women and child health in Iraq:

    http://www.rachelcarsonprisen.no/eng/Prize-Winners/Mozhgan-Savabieasfahani

    Here’s our 2013 media alert which cites her work:

    http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/alerts-2013/741-damning-evidence-becomes-no-clear-evidence-much-delayed-report-on-congenital-birth-defects-in-iraq.html

  • Mary

    5 March 2015 Last updated at 08:40

    Ex-Conservative MP Harvey Proctor’s home searched by police
    The home of former Conservative MP Harvey Proctor has been searched by police investigating historical allegations of child abuse.

    The BBC understands police arrived at the 68-year-old’s house on the estate of Belvoir Castle, in Leicestershire, on Wednesday.

    The Metropolitan Police said Operation Midland officers searched an address.

    Mr Proctor said would like to be interviewed by police “at the earliest opportunity”.

    Operation Midland is examining claims boys were abused by a group of powerful men from politics, the military and law enforcement agencies at locations across southern England and in London in the 1970s and 1980s.

    It is also examining claims that three boys were murdered.

    Mr Proctor became an MP in 1979, representing Basildon in Essex for four years. He subsequently represented Billericay until 1987.

    Belvoir Castle is a 16,000 acre site of farmland and woodland.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31744282

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Proctor

  • Clark

    Jay, the difference between corporations and government is in who the structure answers to. Corporations are ultimately controlled by their shareholders – you have to own that corporation’s shares in order to vote on the corporation’s policy. Governments are meant to answer to their electorate, which is meant to be the entire adult population:

    http://www.killick1.plus.com/corporate-behaviour.html

    Yes, personal attitudes matters too, of course. Most people used to believe that everyone was answerable to God, but that belief seems to be falling out of favour.

  • Clark

    Mary, good morning. I hope you’re feeling OK. Thanks for the Media Lens link.

    Ba’al, I got as far as the cartoon before I started laughing. Thanks.

  • Mary

    ‘Loretta E. Lynch, the United States attorney for the Eastern District of New York, said the verdict would send a “powerful message” to terrorists*.’

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/nyregion/abid-naseer-terror-suspect-found-guilty-on-all-counts-in-2009-bomb-plot.html?_r=0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch

    ‘“Ms Lynch negotiated a slap-on-the-wrist Deferred Prosecution Agreement with megabank HSBC despite their admission that they laundered money on behalf of Mexican drug cartels, terrorist organizations and other sanctioned entities like Iran,” Senator David Vitter said, in a statement opposing her nomination.

    In particular, Vitter criticized recent admissions by Lynch that she had failed to find out about separate documents revealing HSBC’s role in helping clients hide money offshore before agreeing not to prosecute the bank.[19]’

    Irony alert: *This sort of ‘terrorism’ is small beer of course cf with that alleged re Naseer where no injury resulted.

    Locking up Naseer for life is the probable sentence.

    Loretta was well chosen by Barack and his pals in the UK. This is the trial where the jurors’ identity was kept secret and the British MI operatives wore make up and wigs.

    ‘The government’s case, too, had weaknesses. British intelligence officers who tracked Mr. Naseer for several weeks in March and April 2009 were expected to provide key evidence against him. Instead, they testified about watching him go grocery shopping and taking the bus around Manchester.’ LOL if it wasn’t so serious for Naseer.

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