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  • Mary

    Clark Like the R5 programme, I was Up All Night! Then went to sleep and woke at 8.30 so rather disorientated. Compounded by dear doggie wanting to be let out at 3ish so rather than let her wake the neighbours with her barking, (she always runs and barks when let out – she is full of life aged 10) I was out in the frost with her on a lead. Brrr!

  • Mark Golding

    The Road to War with Russia – the Ukraine Coup_d’état was successful – now the aftermath.

    Mindful of a ‘Nuclear Secret’ cable that Russian missile launch sites have been reprogrammed into the Trident target plan:

    I link to this rather old fictional plan which suggests the framework of the actual plan:

    http://www.banthebomb.org/archives/wmd/ch4mosc.htm#42

    I can confirm from military sources that Britain is sending special forces to liaise with an American airborne division on route to Ukraine this week.

    This defence News bulletin will give you a flavor of the military planning involved.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/03/03/atlantic-resolve-may-expand-army-official-says/24332169/

    At this early stage I hope to establish a 20m encrypted RTTY connection that will expose this ‘training’ or preamble to nuclear war with, I hope, some pertinency.

    Please remember the goon Geoff Hoon, when Defence Secretary, admitted in a parliamentary answer that there was a decision “to maintain our nuclear forces at a notice-to-fire [period] measured in days, rather than minutes.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-02/despite-russian-warnings-us-will-deploy-battalion-ukraine-end-week

  • John Goss

    “The Road to War with Russia – the Ukraine Coup_d’état was successful – now the aftermath.”

    Mark Golding, thank you for the links. This has been my fear all along. There used to be a saying the ‘enemy within’ We, the majority of us, do not know that we are “within the enemy”.

    The scenario of nuclear war is frightening. Be careful though in presenting anti-American, anti-NATO news. You might be accused of being a tool od the Kremlin or Russian government!

  • Phil

    I just tried Junk-espunk counter. The results are a bit of a shock: I am full of it, 110 comments on this friggin thread alone. I need a life.

  • Mark Golding

    John we cannot concern ourselves with triviality; already 6000+ lives lost in Ukraine:

    http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/180979/death-toll-in-ukraine-conflict-exceeds-6-000-un.html

    HRW suggests at least 860 children and infants lives have been sacrificed in this regime change.

    We must at all costs give the benefit of any doubt to Russia, Germany and France peace negotiations that could well avert a world crisis and many more innocent lives lost.

    Craig’s vision of peace must not be frustrated by the sometimes myopic tactless views of his friends here.

    Stand strong!

  • Clark

    Mark Golding, I assume that Russia still has a fully functional nuclear arsenal.

    I regard the possibility of a nuclear exchange unlikely at present, until such time as NATO equipment can guarantee that nearly all Russian nuclear missiles could be destroyed during their ascent.

    Many Russian oligarchs have homes and families in London, or so I have been lead to believe. Thus, Russia cannot nuke London, nor severely damage the UK as a whole upon which London depends.

    The US, it is said, wants the natural resources of Russia. Again, nuclear strike making a wasteland of Russia and severely disrupting the necessary human resources is not an option that confers advantage.

    The proxy battles in Ukraine therefore consist of manoeuvring for perceived advantage.

    It is however in the Kremlin’s interest to make the electorates of the “West” extremely (nuke-level) frightened, such that we lobby our governments against opposing Russian military actions in Ukraine. Likewise the “Western” power structures have an interest in making “Western” electorates frightened, but not immediate nuke-level frightened, such that we support increased military spending and increased military capacity deployed towards Russia’s borders.

    What is really needed in Ukraine is an overwhelmingly strong UN peacekeeping force. Neither side want that.

  • Dave

    @RobG
    “ Clark, be specific. What aspect of nuclear energy do you want to talk about?
    And I’m sure you know that I can wipe the floor with you on any of this stuff.
    Your knowledge is lacking, to say the least.
    Hence the lack of engagement.”

    Now Now. Have you two ever worked in Nuclear Physics ? Looks like it will be Geiger Counters at dawn soon.

  • Clark

    Dave, my nuclear physics is minimal, bu I can do basic maths and I know how to learn. RobG just moans without engaging.

    Dave, if your nuclear physics/history is good you could help me out by engaging with various comments on the page linked below, particularly my suggestion for depleted UF6 disposal, total emissions from I-131 and I-129, and the histories of CERRIE and the NRPB:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/01/todays-independence-rally/comment-page-3/

  • John Goss

    Clark while most of your comment expresses the fears of escalation of war (and perhaps even nuclear war) in Europe I think support for a UN force is useless. The US controls the UN. It is why Putin did not want a UN ‘peacekeeping’ force in Ukraine and preferred for a presence of OSCE occupiers.

    I misjudged OSCE last year due to some propaganda from US members and was not deliberately trying to mislead. While not perfect, with each country with OSCE participants having its own political influence on those participants it is still much preferable to the UN, which has become another force for regime-change and promoting western interests. You only have to look at MINUSTAH in Haiti to see that.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2015/03/04/dominicans-are-not-haitis-enemies-corruption-and-occupation-are/

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    Phil 5 Mar, 2015 – 10:30 am : “I just tried Junk-espunk counter. The results are a bit of a shock: I am full of it, 110 comments on this friggin thread alone. I need a life.”

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  • Clark

    John Goss,

    1) I fully expected that the Kremlin wouldn’t want UN peacekeepers; the Kremlin wants to fight its proxy war, as does NATO. What’s the preference of the NATO side? (use a pro-NATO source to asses this this; the Kremlin is likely to say that the US is in favour whether they are or not). I predict they don’t want the UN involved either.

    2) That’s fine, OSCE can be there observing, too. I suspect that there aren’t nearly enough of them; how many observers in what land area, and how many per kilometre along the border? But forces are also needed to prevent fighting.

  • Mark Golding

    Clark – thanks for the reposte. The latest advice to NATO from the American side according to an MDANews release is that the Aegis BMD naval component of the MDA’s Ballistic Missile Defense System is capable and British Naval exercises in February was a preparedness for a Russian launch.

    The Neo-Cons want ‘full spectrum dominance’ and Russia’s resources are a secondary consideration not even discussed at strategy and game plan think-tank assemblies such as those at Chatham House and others.

    Tactics such as fear are confined to terror ie the Islamic State, so that our liberties can be stolen to contain and monitor opinion, rebellion, disorder and conspiracy.

    It is a good reasoning and indeed Craig’s viewpoint cultivated from our long association here that we lobby against and despise the possibility of any war whether anxious, having kittens, in a sweat or otherwise.

    The green-back god is all powerful, visceral, it devours and manipulates life with torture, deception and WMD with zero regard for any emotive issues.

  • John Goss

    “I fully expected that the Kremlin wouldn’t want UN peacekeepers; the Kremlin wants to fight its proxy war, as does NATO.”

    No it does not. It had no involvement in Maidan the cause of this civil war. It’s when you talk such tripe as this that you and me part company.

  • glenn_uk

    Dave “Now Now. Have you two ever worked in Nuclear Physics ? Looks like it will be Geiger Counters at dawn soon.

    As a matter of fact, yes – I used to do so back in the day, albeit somewhat tangentially.

    *
    A typo correction to my note to Macky: Should have been underpin, not undermine, and aisle</i, not isle. Jeez.

  • John Goss

    You clearly did not read that excellent article which Macky posted. It will fill in a lot of gaps. Look at NATO expansionism and see who the aggressor is. Perhaps you believe that the US/NATO should have bases all over the world. The US military has been in Korea for more than 60 years. Yesterday, poor man, a US ambassador was slashed across the face with a razor because one man expressed the opinions of many South Koreans that they want to reunite with the North and only the US hold on the government is stopping them. It is a classic example of divide and rule. They have created an enemy of North Korea for geopolitical reasons.

    For God sake man read this article. You don’t know who the enemy is. It is not Russia.

    http://radialreport.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/ukraine-in-crossfire-american-quest-for.html

  • Winkletoe

    Who the heck is this Clark character, strutting and prancing all over the place, telling all and sundry what they should or shouldn’t be saying in this blog’s comments area?

    Is it connected to an eponymous Clark that used to appear here far less domineeringly and pass the occasional interesting and apposite comment but had vanished up its own arse apparently?

    It seems out of totally out of control these days.

  • Macky

    Q) When are Ukrainians no longer Ukrainians ?

    A) When subjected to transmutation, just like that !

    Ukrainians = Eastern Ukrainians = Separatists = Russian Forces !

    Question, is it’s magic, a belief system, or an evidence free conspiracy theory ?

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/03/03/atlantic-resolve-may-expand-army-official-says/24332169/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Situation%20Report&utm_campaign=Sit%20Rep%20March%204%202015

  • Macky

    @Glenn_uk, where/are you so blase about Blair deliberately not keeping minutes of meeting in the run-up to the attack on Iraq, as you are about Hilary Clinton’s use of private emails ?

    @Clark, do you consider yourself, Craig & the handful of pro-establishment posters here, as correct on Ukraine, and that every leading Left/Liberal commentator/analyst from Chomsky, to Pilger, are all just Kremlin dupes or stooges ?

    Do you believe that the US does really engineer Coups, or that they didn’t hi-jack/subvert any of the Arab Springs ?

  • Macky

    Brian; “Glen is also correct… That Clark offered peace…at that stage..Re you’re link.”

    He “offered” peace at his terms, by saying that an article I linked supported his povs, but when asked how, he admitted that he hadn’t really read it !

    I’m not interested in “peace” for the sake of a quite happy-clappy easy life here, rather I am interested in the truth as best can be ascertained by honest debate; something that is very, very lacking from the other side.

    @Brian, don’t make the mistake of accepting any of Clark’s flawed & biased perceptions as anything even closely resembling reality.

  • John Goss

    This footage, although cobbled together by RT, was shot by ordinary Eastern Ukrainians before the referendum. It shows some of the incidents where civilians bravely stood up to the tanks. It also shows how they relieved some of the military from Kiev of their weapons. They will never stop fighting for their freedom.

    If it had been Tieneman Square or Hungary (1956), Czechoslovakia (1968) the BBC would never have stopped showing it. As it stands they have made the injured look like aggressors. But you can hear the voices of the people, who are not Russian, state exactly what they want, to be free of the Maidan, to be free of the fascists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxgkIIIVio#t=32

  • Macky

    Winkletoe; “It seems out of totally out of control these days.”

    Yes, it’s not a pretty picture; it is what happens when you loyally but irrationally, try to force a Craig embossed flawed square peg into the reality of a round hole

  • Mary

    Fifty Years of Imperial Wars: Results and Perspectives
    by James Petras / March 2nd, 2015

    Over the past 50 years the US and European powers have engaged in countless imperial wars throughout the world. The drive for world supremacy has been clothed in the rhetoric of “world leadership”, the consequences have been devastating for the peoples targeted. The biggest, longest and most numerous wars have been carried out by the United States. Presidents from both parties direct and preside over this quest for world power. The ideology which informs imperialism varies from “anti-communism” in the past to “anti-terrorism” today.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/03/fifty-years-of-imperial-wars-results-and-perspectives/

  • Clark

    Ah, I’ve seen the light. Yes, the Kremlin and the Russian oligarchy is full of fluffy little innocent kittens.

    There is only ONE aggressor, THE aggressor is, of course, NATO. Gazprom never turned off Ukraine’s gas in winter, never enforced trade embargoes to pull Ukraine into line. Why would they, dear little darlings.

    Yes, I’m all for the establishment, me. I really approve of massive NATO military spending. NOT.

    Half of Ukraine MUST be incorporated into Russia or those fluffy Kremlin kittens might nuke us! Oh, hang on – no, no contradiction there…

  • glenn_uk

    Macky: Sure, we might want to have lively discussions, but I don’t see the need to have such utter rancour about the place. Suspicions about posting with bad faith and such accusations surely are not necessary.

    “@Glenn_uk, where/are you so blase about Blair deliberately not keeping minutes of meeting in the run-up to the attack on Iraq, as you are about Hilary Clinton’s use of private emails ?”

    Not blasé at all about it. It’s disgraceful that record keeping on major decisions in office are not kept. In itself, this is not a “smoking gun” about H. Clinton though. It looks like a stupid error of judgement on her part, just because it generates suspicion and gives teabaggers yet another reason to start foaming at the mouth.

    Do you believe that the US does really engineer Coups, or that they didn’t hi-jack/subvert any of the Arab Springs ?

    Well of course they do, incessantly, and have done since the US came into existence. Standard Procedure.

  • Clark

    Winkletoe, I’m Clark Killick, friend of Craig Murray. Craig Murray whose blog you’re on.

    Craig Murray whom an “ex” KGB officer in Uzbekistan sent to a “doctor” who tried to lure him into paedophilia, and then narrowly failed to kill him.

    Craig Murray, whose professional and personal reputation the British Foreign Office tried to publicly destroy, and who is blacklisted by the “Western” corporate media.

    Funnily enough, I don’t trust either side, which is why I get shot at by both. WHICH I regard as a better place to stand than that of the cowardly sniper in Kiev who kicked it all off by shooting at both sides, probably so he could claim two fees.

    Hope that helps!

  • Phil

    Macky
    “Do you believe that the US does really engineer Coups, or that they didn’t hi-jack/subvert any of the Arab Springs ?”

    Jesus, Macky after all this shouting is that where you’re at?

    I doubt there is anyone on this blog, certainly not Clark, Craig, Glenn or myself, who would question that. You have completely missed the point to even ask such a stupid question.

    Perhaps this is an irrational, illogical, inferior comment.

    BTW Putin is still a murdering elitist scumbag.

  • Clark

    Winkletoe, do you want to control me? You wouldn’t be the first. Macky has been trying to control me for months, but not managed it yet.

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