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  • Herbie

    It’s pirates and traders.

    Producers and consumers.

    If you don’t know the basics, you’re lost, and no amount of idiots tagging together makes it any better.

  • technicolour

    Goodness, could that possibly be because what is being said is incomprehensible? Heaven forfend.

    On that subject, what on earth is this supposed to mean:

    “Not sure if you are aware, but posters first challenged Craig on his position on the Ukraine issue, he didn’t respond to the points at all, but immediately lashed out calling people “Putinistas”, implied they were self-hating Westerners, even BNP supporters !! When I remarked about these smears, he asked me why I chose a “side” on this issue, whilst stating that “Putin is the greater evil.”, so inferring the reason why he chose a “side”; so yes you are right NATO is just an imperial killing machine, but for some people, if the person who resists this killing machine is called Putin, then in their counter-reality scale of the “Greater Evil”, NATO has to be supported !”

  • Clark

    Technicolour ad Phil, you may as well desist. These people are shills; astroturf. These are not their opinions, they have an assigned mission with defined tactics – note that they all act the same. Maybe they are some of the Kremlin’s seven thousand political prisoners, and they do this to get better treatment. Maybe they are paid or coerced. But they’re not on this site through being friends of Craig’s, nor through any concern for human rights, nor any concern for truthfulness.

  • Herbie

    “Goodness, could that possibly be because what is being said is incomprehensible?”

    What you’re saying is incomprehensible.

    But I’m not saying what you’re saying.

  • Phil

    Herbie
    “I’ve explained a number of times now, the much broader dynamics involved.”

    Where? What broader dynamics drive you to support an insane self serving elitist scumbag and his cronies?

    All I have seen can be paraphrased like this:

    “I hate the bankers/NATO/IMF etc. Putin is the only one who can save us.”

    Please explain the dynamics of your argument that are broader than this. Because this is simply applauding a different, less successful, murderous, self-serving elite who have no intention of saving you. Given half the chance they would also exploit you. Like they do those they currently can.

    So please explain your “much broader dynamic”.

  • Herbie

    Your concern for civil rights, Clark, is on a par with Samantha Power and all the rest of the humanitarian bombers.

    These people too, pretend to a concern for civil rights, but their actions lead to very different conclusions.

    It’s possible these are just very stupid people, but that’s always been how power moves forward, using the gullible and other useful idiots.

  • lysias

    Hard to see why Russia is a greater evil than NATO and the U.S. Can a credible case be made that Russia has caused even one tenth as many deaths as NATO and the U.S.?

  • lysias

    You just have to read James Mann’s The Obamians to reach the conclusion that people like Samantha Power and Susan Rice are basically careerists who take the stands that they do because they advance their careers.

  • Herbie

    Phil

    Read what I’ve written above and on other pages.

    It’s all there.

    This is an economic war. They all are.

    You’re with the pirates. I’m with the traders.

    You’re with the people who’ve undermined any country which has sought economic freedom.

    I’m for a multipolar world. You don’t even understand the concept.

  • Phil

    Herbie
    “Not much point fighting them on the streets, then handing them intellectual capital in the forum of world opinion…using the gullible and other useful idiots…It’s pirates and traders…Producers and consumers…If you don’t know the basics, you’re lost, and no amount of idiots tagging together makes it any better.”

    All meaningless drivel. You fail to answer direct questions but jabber pseudo logical drivel. Your sense of superiority is seriously misplaced.

  • Clark

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades

    The earliest documented allegations of the existence of “web brigades” appear to be in the April, 2003 Vestnik Online article “The Virtual Eye of Big Brother” by a French journalist Anna Polyanskaya (a former assistant to assassinated Russian politician Galina Starovoitova[1]) and two other authors, Andrey Krivov and Ivan Lomako. The authors claim that up to 1998, contributions to forums on Russian Internet sites (Runet) predominantly reflected liberal and democratic values, but after 2000, the vast majority of contributions reflected totalitarian values. This sudden change was attributed to the appearance of teams of pro-Russian commenters who seem to be organized by the Russian state security service.[2][3][4][5] According to authors, about 70% of audience of Russian Internet were people of generally liberal views prior to 1998–1999, however sudden surge (about 60–80%) of “antidemocratic” posts suddenly occurred at many Russian forums in 2000.

    In January 2012 a group that presented itself as the Russian wing of the Anonymous published a massive collection of what they claimed to be e-mails of former and present leaders of the pro-Kremlin youth organization Nashi (including a number of government officials). Journalists who investigated the leaked information discovered numerous references to an army of paid commenters that reportedly operated in the fall of 2011.[6] According to the e-mails, members of the “brigades” were paid 85 rubles (about 3 US dollars) or more per comment, depending on whether the comment received replies; some were presented with iPads. A number of high-profile bloggers were also mentioned as being paid for promoting Nashi’s and government activities.

  • Phil

    Herbie
    “Read what I’ve written above and on other pages.”

    So you are not able to succinctly explain why you support an elitist murderer and his insane oligarch cronies?

    You are a bit of a let down mate.

  • technicolour

    Herbie “What you’re saying is incomprehensible.”

    I am saying that you do not make sense. Is that not ‘comprehensible’?

    But I’m not saying what you’re saying.”

    No, you’re certainly not

  • Phil

    Lysias
    “Hard to see why Russia is a greater evil than NATO and the U.S. Can a credible case be made that Russia has caused even one tenth as many deaths as NATO and the U.S.?”

    Of fucking course. But this does not mean one should support Russia. You don’t have to have a favourite insane self serving elite. You can choose to oppose all insane self serving elites.

  • Phil

    Lysias

    Sorry I made an error above. What I meant was:

    Of fucking course. But this does not mean one should support Russia Putin’s regime. You don’t have to have a favourite insane self serving elite. You can choose to oppose all insane self serving elites.

  • Herbie

    “You can choose to oppose all insane self serving elites.”

    How do you do that, Phil?

  • Macky

    Phil; “But this does not mean one should support Putin’s regime.”

    You were right the first time; if NATO gets its way, it’s not just Putin, but Russia & all her people that will end up like the living hell holes that are Iraq & Libya, etc

    Is this what you want Phil ?

  • Phil

    Herbie
    “How do you do that, Phil?”

    Do you realise that you are adopting the tactic of not answering questions but continue to ask them of others? I’ll answer anyway.

    By opposing your local insane self-serving elites in the real world. By not hoping for another self-serving elite to save you (they won’t they will just exploit you as your current lot do). By not offering any support for any insane self-serving elite.

  • Herbie

    “You support the rest of the world! What meaningless drivel.”

    In what way is that meaningless, Phil?

  • RobG

    Clark, all the likes of you and I can do is to try to make people aware of what’s going on.

    We really are at a turning point in history.

    When I get put up against the wall and shot at least I can say that I spoke out, that I’m not afraid of these bastards.

    They are total scum, that I will defy to my last breathe.

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