Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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“By opposing your local insane self-serving elites in the real world. By not hoping for another self-serving elite to save you (they won’t they will just exploit you as your current lot do). By not offering any support for any insane self-serving elite.”
How’s that working out, Phil?
Would it be better that NATO impose their piratical banking upon the world or that a community of nations emerge who freely trade their resources and products?
Macvky
“Is this what you want Phil ?”
What a pathetic cheap disingenuous question.
The answer is…wait for it…No. As you well know. Show me one thing I have said that suggests such a thing. Or just read everything I have said that clearly states exactly the opposite
I don’t want to jump from out of the frying into the fire. I oppose all exploitative elites. I oppose the system that empowers them. By supporting Putin and his team of insane elitists you merely perpetuate the system.
Herbie
“How’s that working out, Phil?”
Well clearly not as well as I would wish. But at least I do something apart from propagandise for an insane murderer anonymously on the internet.
BTW this war you wish for, the one where Putin’s Russia gives NATO a good kicking and teaches them a lesson. How do you think that will tuen out?
You are a fucking idiot.
RobG
Relax. No one is coming to shoot you.
The brave Syrian Arab Army decapitates the heart-eating crazies (remember them?) – Proxy Force #2.
http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/06/400572/Syria-army-keeps-pounding-alNusra
Let us rejoice.
And are you saying that the image on the left (linked below) was taken from a satellite?
No, but I was saying that Google images are composites. I don’t know how they put them together, and am open to some -certainly not all*- areas being covered from within the atmosphere. or even underwater. The image on the right shows self-propelled artillery in winter, not combine harvesters. We have NATO’s word that this is Russian, and the Kremlin claque’s word that it isn’t. If, god forbid, push comes to shove, it is NATO, not the Kremlin, which will be defending my interests, so I am naturally biased in its favour.
*Have a look at Dimona, in the Negev, if you doubt me…
You’re talking to yourself, Phil.
Inventing your own strawman debate.
You seem completely incapable of addressing the points made.
I’m not looking for war, nor is Russia, nor any of the other non NATO countries.
They want peace and free trade, free from US diktat.
It’s NATO is always pushing for war. It’s all they know.
And you and other dimwits are prepared to give them all the cover they need.
Ba’al, good to see you. The idiots above are meat-puppets; I’m convinced. They just say the same things over and over.
“it is NATO, not the Kremlin, which will be defending my interests”
Really.
I’d say your interests would be much better protected in an alliance between Europe and Russia, and by extension the rest of the world.
Part of NATO’s game is to ensure that doesn’t happen.
Proxy Force #3, meanwhile, continues to receive air-drops from NATO war-planes. Probably spare turbos for all those brand new Toyota pick-ups the US left in Jordan in 2013. The sand plays havoc with ’em, you know.
You want links? Look for them.
Herbie, seeing as you and your team are what’s left after Kremlin policy have done with you, I’ll stick with NATO thanks.
Herbie
“You’re talking to yourself, Phil.”
Well clearly I am not.
“I’m not looking for war, nor is Russia, nor any of the other non NATO countries.”
Only NATO countries go to war? Fucking hilarious.
“They want…free trade, free from US diktat.”
Sure they want trade free from US diktat. So they can continue to exploitpeople as they do now but on a larger scale. The Russian elites are no different from the NATO elites except they are less successful at exploiting people.
Russia is not an equitable or just society. The inequality is horrific. The concentration of wealth is disgusting.
You are either a deluded zealout (like the British lefties who supported Stalin) or a propagandist.
@Phil, How does opposing all the phony pro-war arguments that aim to give cover & justification for NATO to potentially turn Russia into another failed state equate to “supporting Putin and his team of insane elitists you merely perpetuate the system” ?!!!!!
Phil
6 Mar, 2015 – 10:52 pm
“RobG
Relax. No one is coming to shoot you
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You wanna bet?
The strange thing about comment threads on blogs like this is how detached it all is. It’s just not the real world, and yet most of you read/comment because Craig is brave enough to come on a public platform and give you the real world.
There’s no such thing as lizards who control the universe. There’s only very stupid people, who are easily manipulated.
Phil, are you still talking to me?
I think you’re a bit of a fantasist, Clark.
I’m talking about what is in effect a major crisis in international relations.
But it seems you’re incapable of discussing that in other than simplistic binary terms.
Bit disappointing given your recent wonderful essay on your own personal transition from dualism.
Herbie
We are arguing the same points over and over. You are the type of belligerent who mistakes the last word for being proven right.
Anyway, you carry on hoping for macho man Putin, he who has bare chested photographs taken on little horses, he who makes amazing finds under the sea, honest, equitable, man of the people, to come and save you.
You are a fucking idiot. Over to you for the last word. I’m off.
Wrong again, Phil.
There is absolutely no comparison between a NATO ruled world and one in which countries make their own trading agreements.
This isn’t just about Russia. It’s about the whole world ex-NATO.
Would it be better that NATO impose their piratical banking upon the world or that a community of nations emerge who freely trade their resources and products?
I’d like everyone not working for Pravda here to think very carefully about the differences between Putin’s perversion of (Stalin’s prior perversion of) Communism – aiming for global reach, sphere of influence commercially and politically subordinated to a tight basically unproductive clique of more-or-less co-operating bureaucratss and oligarchs – and the neocons’ perversion of Trotskyism, where the same objectives apply. Money, property and labour are tradeable commodities in both. Both systems principally benefit the already-wealthy, who are minimally inclined to invest even in a healthy workforce.
I am beginning to think that the only defence against either is vigorusly to assert national borders, conceptual as well as physical, and if possible defend them against either version of globalisation.
If it’s wrong to support Putin against NATO, I guess it was wrong to support Stalin against Hitler.
Phil
Thanks for posting the “Bitter Lake” link. I’ve just finished watching it. Visually very good but, like all Curtis’ work, sadly lacking in content – especially for such a long film. Not a wasted two hours though.
Anon rating: 6.5/10. Starts off surreal and random but by the end seems to have decided it wants to be a real documentary. Whole thing like an extended acid trip or, worse, “Burial” music video. Marcel Duchamp ‘educator’ priceless, though, and some fascinating archive footage make it worthwhile.
I’d say your interests would be much better protected in an alliance between Europe and Russia, and by extension the rest of the world.
You’d be wrong. A world run b Gazprom in conjunction with BP would be even more prone to the power of monopolies to suck profit from every facet of existence. And it would be wholly unsustainable.
It’s always best not to personalize these things.
When international relations are personalized you know it’s not good.
We know that.
It’s immensely problematic though that posters here personalize issues when they haven’t the faintest clue what’s actually going on.
Phil and others think it’s just about Russia. It is not.
The dictator here is NATO, and the rest of the world is trying to escape out from under its cosh.
This is why China and others, increasing others, support the Russian position.
Phil should just be honest and admit he’s clueless about what’s going on rather than using NATO propaganda against those who are trying to look at the bigger picture.
@Herbie, the big picture & the multipolar world;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41131.htm
@RobG “I’ve no idea. Perhaps you can enlighten us.”
With the LENR wet method the nickel cathode is a getter for hydrogen ,it takes many hours
of slow electrolysis for a high hydrogen loading compared with the dry method with nickel
powder and high pressure hydrogen.
You keep mentioning the word fusion.What we are talking about is Cold Fusion devised by the late
head of the H.H. Wills Physics lab were I worked.Sir Frederick Charles Frank FRS.
http://www.midtermpapers.com/b2114.htm
Herbie, where are you?
“A world run b Gazprom in conjunction with BP would be even more prone to the power of monopolies to suck profit from every facet of existence”
It’s much closer to that at the moment.
It’s well known in poverty studies that you don’t really want to be born a ordinary Joe in a resource-rich African country, for example. You get very exploited.
But no, freer trading would ensure a fairer balance between the product makers and resource suppliers.
You can see this ongoing between China and Russia, for example.
As an old lag, I would bet a fiver on ‘Herbie’ being an old, old poster who called themselves ‘Nurse Ratched’ – Angrysoba and Richard Robinson would remember.
“You’re talking to yourself, Phil”.
You’re not, Phil.
This is clearly piffle, and yet
“But no, freer trading would ensure a fairer balance between the product makers and resource suppliers.
You can see this ongoing between China and Russia, for example.”
How does this square with calling people like Clark ‘stupid’.
It doesn’t. That’s the bigger picture.
Lysias: “I guess it was wrong to support Stalin against Hitler.”
Well, yep. People, real people, died in that one.