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  • Peacewisher

    @RD: The answer is very simple… the populations of Crimea and Donbass are mostly Russians. There democratic wishes had not been respected before, so when they heard about the Feb/March 2014 coup they took the opportunity. It was business as usual, under a new banner. Some would have disagreed, and if they were imhumanely treated in Donetsk or anywhere else, of course that was a big mistake.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    “Peacewisher”

    Glad to see you’re still around. I’m sure you have failed to reply to my simple question through mere oversight, so here they are again:

    “RD failed to tell you that Ukraine has fascists in their government”

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    Please give the name of the “fascist” party in the Ukrainian govt and state how many Cabinet ministers are members of that fascist party (also give the total number of ministers in the cabinet)

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    “and their whole policy to the Donbass people is fascist”

    _____________

    Could you set this out in greater detail and, if necessary, draw comparisons with fascist Germany and Italy.
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    “He also failed to tell you that the government has adopted Stephen Bandera as their hero/founding father”

    __________________

    What do you mean exactly by “adopted”? Please give details.

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    Looking forward to better answers than your last “as you wish”. Thanks!

  • Resident Dissident

    “the populations of Crimea and Donbass are mostly Russians. There democratic wishes had not been respected before,”

    Apart from the 1991 independence referendum – see the link earlier

    “so when they heard about the Feb/March 2014 coup they took the opportunity.”

    So at least you admit that the Kyiv govt was not the first to act.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    If the coup put Ukraine into US control (sorry, sphere of interest)

    Did it? Not seeing much sign of that. The position is that Russia assumed Ukraine would continue to be in Russian sphere-of-influence, and was exerting coercion to ensure it did. The Ukrainians, like everyone else in the FSU, have had some Russia, and had assumed they were independent. None of which gives Russia license to invade a sovereign nation, annex territory – and, incidentally, the Ukrainian navy – or move hardware under cover of aid convoys travelling without Ukrainian permission or Red Cross authority (despite Russian claims) into the conflict zone.

    http://uatoday.tv/politics/location-of-many-russian-aid-convoy-trucks-in-question-401967.html

    Since everything cited here by apologists for God’s Own Autocratic Anointed Tsar comes from Russian soudces, I make no apology whatever for citing a Ukrainian one here.

    As I said, if Putin gets away with this one, he’ll be nibbling away at the Balts next. Wait and see.

  • Peacewisher

    @Ba’al. No-one gives the US the right to co-ordinate a coup in Kiev, and Obama has now admitted they did that. This is a crime of the highest order. Of course no-one can bring the mighty US to book, so Russia did the next best thing… protect their interests. Even Sarkozy accepted their right to do that.

  • Resident Dissident

    Where did Obama say that the US “co-ordinated the coup” – your words not mine – should be pretty simple to find if that us what he said. Come on hurry up – I do hope you are putting your own spin on what Obama actually said.

  • giyane

    Ba’al Zevul

    If Russia has been offered the Crimea by a star of David US-UK-IS-EU-SAUDI-Russia deal over Syria, then Putin is not the aggressor, he is a participant. The odd one out in the set is in fact the Saudis who, like Roman Herod cutting off the head of the prophet Yahya A.S. as a reward for Salome’s dance, have sacrificed Syria for becoming an ally of the Western superpower.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Peacewisher

    “@Ba’al: you are so wrong. Please analyse more thoroughly”
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    You have a fine cheek, Peacewisher. You ask Baal to analyse more thoroughly while refusing to answer my questions (which ask you to justify some things you said).

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    “@Habby: Actions speak louder than words! Perhaps you didn’t understand it last time, so here it is again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY3PK4dPlvE”
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    Answer my questions in your own words, based on facts (eg, which is the fascist party in the Ukrainian govt; how many ministers, etc..) not with a video of dubious provenance.

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    I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you’re just a Putin shill.

    But feel free to prove me wrong.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    “As I said, if Putin gets away with this one, he’ll be nibbling away at the Balts next. Wait and see.”
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    That is absolutely correct. There is enough of the Russian minorities in those three countries willing to give the Autocrat the pretext he needs. But those countries are in NATO.

    If it happens, I wonder what the Autocrat’s apologists on here will come up with to justify his actions?

  • Resident Dissident

    Probably the real reason Hollande and Merkel went to see Putin

    The real reason is they want this mess on their doorstep where they trade – one hopes they can make Putin see sense – but Merkel is more than wise to the ways of former KGB agents in East Germany so I very much doubt that she will be easily fooled.

  • giyane

    Parker in FAB 1:

    “I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you’re just a Putin shill.”

    I am shaking the camera a little to portray your super-sonic speed.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Guano

    If you came into this world thanks to a mid-wife then indeed mid-wives have a lot to answer for.

    And now go and drop something useful on a Chilean cliff.

  • Peacewisher

    Actually, Habby, although I admire the way Putin stands up to the neocons (thank goodness someone does!) I’m not particularly fond. My line on this is, and always has been, that the Donbass people should be given autonomy. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a disagreement between Putin and the Donbass, if he asks them to submit to another Minsk deal.

    This is their land. Its not Russia, its not Ukraine, and they are fighting for it. They deserve our support. That’s why I’m so cross with Ba’al, he’s apparently being too lazy to research and apparently believes whatever the Dailies tell us.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Is not rasPutin simply doing what tyrants have done from time immemorial – diverting public opinion from current and looming domestic trouble (in this case, mainly economic) by launching themselves into aggressive foreign adventures?

  • Resident Dissident

    If it happens, I wonder what the Autocrat’s apologists on here will come up with to justify his actions?

    I don’t wonder at all – that playbook has seen a lot of use from the Holodomor, the Great Terror, the show trials, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the Gulag, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Solidarity, Crimea, Georgia, Eastern Ukraine, Chechenya etc. The Russian people so deserve something better.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Peacewisher

    “That’s why I’m so cross with Ba’al, he’s apparently being too lazy to research and apparently believes whatever the Dailies tell us.”
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    I doubt it; whatever my disagreements with him, I’m happy to say that he’s a damn sight more intelligent than you are. You are the one who believes the Russian bullshit.

    Speaking of research – you might like to do some yourself so that you can answer my questions…

  • Peacewisher

    I don’t really care about the internal politics of Russia, Habby, but I do care when a people get bombed, bombed, bombed night after night. As in all wars, they are innocents caught in the crossfire. It is normally possible to get enough common ground to stop the destruction. I’m hoping so about Minsk-2, but should ultimately be up to Donbass people to have self-determination… as it was for the people of Kosovo.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Peacewisher

    “This is their land. Its not Russia, its not Ukraine, and they are fighting for it. They deserve our support.”
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    Please state whether you supported the Chechens’ fight for independence and whether you support it now.

    After all, “it is their land”….

  • Resident Dissident

    I’m not sure many here realise how closely related Russians and Ukrainians are – in the towns and cities all Russians know Ukrainians and probably have them as family members – and talk of ethnic Russians and Ukrainians really is verging on nonsense. An awful lot of both probably have a fair slug of Mongol in there as well, as witnessed by the blue spot birthmarks. Without Putin and other nationalists whipping up matters most Russians and Ukrainians would happily settle for the quite life and would not give two hoots as to who governs them providing they don’t interfere in their day to day lifes.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Peacewisher

    And please answer my questions about your previous statements about the fascist nature of the Ukrainian govt.

    Those questions were:

    ““RD failed to tell you that Ukraine has fascists in their government”

    ___________

    Please give the name of the “fascist” party in the Ukrainian govt and state how many Cabinet ministers are members of that fascist party (also give the total number of ministers in the cabinet)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “and their whole policy to the Donbass people is fascist”

    _____________

    Could you set this out in greater detail and, if necessary, draw comparisons with fascist Germany and Italy.
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    “He also failed to tell you that the government has adopted Stephen Bandera as their hero/founding father”

    __________________

    What do you mean exactly by “adopted”? Please give details.”
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    Go on – do some research and analysis and answer. Alternatively – withdraw.

  • Peacewisher

    I guess I should complete my message.

    After hearing earlier that destruction was compounded by hitting an ammunition dump, the latest information from Donetsk seems to be that a Chemical Factory was taken out. Nothing at all on the media (except RupTly), so maybe not in a densely populated area. But that was some explosion… and the US want to give them MORE weapons?!

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