Bloody hell. Read this. Brilliant.
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Bloody hell. Read this. Brilliant.
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“I would hazard the guess that someone who thinks it was wrong for the Irish Nationalists to hold the balance of power in Parliament must also disapprove of Ireland having achieved independence.”
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In which case you guess wrong. There is no connection in logic. Did your Oxford Greats course not cover logic?
RoS
“Shouldn’t we be spending money on solving the problems within the UK, rather than, spending billions posturing to the rest of the world.”
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We are, RoS.
Do you know the annual spend on defence on the one hand and social security and the NHS on the other?
EoS
“The Russian foreign minister says his country will consider any request from Greece for financial aid as Athens seeks to renegotiate a massive bailout with its European partners.”
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Splendid idea, RoS. Russia could lend Greece the money it’s no longer spending on health and pensions, for example.
I think you should be the next head of the IMF (provided you can keep yours zipped up, of course).
Well, the Irish Nationalists holding the balance of power was an important factor in the road to Irish independence. It meant that the Third Home Rule Act was passed. Then, when that act was prevented from going into effect, over time that greatly irritated most Irish people.
Lysias
““Fink” has a respectable meaning in German: “finch”. Perhaps it has the same meaning in Yiddish.”
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Very sly, Lysias, very sly.
But would your anonymous Oxford college approve? The US Navy? The West Berlin garrison?
“It meant that the Third Home Rule Act was passed. Then, when that act was prevented from going into effect, over time that greatly irritated most Irish people.”
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Yes indeed, Lysias. And some of them got so offended they even started fighting each other.
It is very off for someone who seems delighted that Irish people ended up fighting each other and who says that it was a very bad thing when the Irish Nationalists held the balance of power in Parliament to claim he does not disapprove of Ireland’s having achieved independence.
Mark, I think we already know the truth about that one. Even the trolls don’t take it on any more. Thanks to the brave witness, who has undergone a lie-detector test, Captain Vladislav Voloshin was the guilty pilot. There is a video link in this article which shows the whistleblower, whose identity is being protected, explaining what happened on July 17 2014.
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/tag/captain-vladislav-voloshin/
1000 comments, but the trouble is that 500 of them are from the dancing troll with bells on his hat.
Swansea is really not that boring, much better than Grangemouth.
“1000 comments, but the trouble is that 500 of them are from the dancing troll with bells on his hat.”
RobG, obviously a young man, I have to correct you. There is only one bell on Noddy’s blue cap.
Unfortunately you’ve missed this show.
http://www.dubaicalendar.ae/en/event/events/noddy-in-toyland-show.html
This is a story which has been ignored by MSM. There was a very brief report on BBC Midlands Today, quickly removed, after which I have been unable to find a link, using the very helpful, Google search engine. It was a great victory for the Elbit 9 who did a rooftop protest which closed the factory for two or three days. The factory makes engines for drones.
http://linkis.com/electronicintifada.net/obM9g
I was out protesting at Shenstone on Tuesday and there was a good crowd of people outside the factory. It did not help this young man. But we will try to save others.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/10/drones-dream-yemeni-teenager-mohammed-tuaiman-death-cia-strike
Perhaps our resident trolls can help out Neil Clark;
http://rt.com/op-edge/231599-nazis-williams-syria-ukraine/
“Mark, I think we already know the truth about that one. Even the trolls don’t take it on any more.”
Perhaps because we know that any evidence presented will be to Mr Goss’s usual high standards – but he seems to exceeded himself with the link to another nutters for Putin site. I really do recommend everyone to look to get a flavour of what counts as convincing evidence from an reliable source in the closed capsule world that some her occupy. Another one to ask Left Unity to look into.
So Mr Putin has signed an agreement to withdraw the heavy weapons from the territory held by the rebels – now I wonder where those weapons came from and to where they will be withdrawn given the assurances by Mr Putin and others here that Russia had not supplied heavy weapons to the rebels – or perhaps they were just private heavy weapons that decided to do a bit of private volunteering in Eastern Ukraine. Always remember that the old Soviets, the KBG and its supporters have always been very comfortable with the ends justifying the means.
Anyway glad that the pressure on Putin to come to the negotiating table has worked – and the economic pressure on him and the oligarchs needs to be maintained to make sure there is no backsliding as with the last ceasefire.
John Goss, here’s the tory election manifesto for 2015. I think Habba is in there somewhere as well…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnhfvGdmmw
Rob G is really not that boring, much better than John Goss.
see we can all play the stupid quotes game – but I’ve only insulted two people not many thousands.
This is the important one that Resident Dissident has been got out of his bed to Diss. I’ll address his other shit later if I deem it necessary.
“This is a story which has been ignored by MSM. There was a very brief report on BBC Midlands Today, quickly removed, after which I have been unable to find a link, using the very helpful, Google search engine. It was a great victory for the Elbit 9 who did a rooftop protest which closed the factory for two or three days. The factory makes engines for drones.
http://linkis.com/electronicintifada.net/obM9g
I was out protesting at Shenstone on Tuesday and there was a good crowd of people outside the factory. It did not help this young man. But we will try to save others.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/10/drones-dream-yemeni-teenager-mohammed-tuaiman-death-cia-strike
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I guessed he was a spook. Nowhere, until I made the above comment and now where? Can’t you give him another call GCHQ, it’s only 0011 hours?
By the way Macky excellent article and I have reposted it.
“Mark, I think we already know the truth about that one. Even the trolls don’t take it on any more.”
Perhaps because we know . . .
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I stopped it there not because I don’t want people to read the bulllshit that follows but because it is a clear admission that RD is a troll. Please read his comment if you have no spare time. It makes no more sense than any of his others. 🙂
Ballsbehungen
“Did your Oxford Greats course not cover logic?”
Oxford and its Greats was conceived in the pre-middle ages, when logic saw no intrinsic problem in being controlled by a foreign state, the Vatican. Logic has since moved on. We are now controlled by a different religious entity, by politicians who are compelled to support Israel.
What happened in between then and now was a Reformation and an Enlightenment, an Empire and an Emancipation of Women. Intellectually you inhabit the dark ages of pre-medeival totalitarianism, now called US ( alias Zionist ) hegemony.
Is it the safety of the monastic cloisters or the promise of Zion that sways you to a new Dark Age of Biblical slavery? You do both Oxford and logic a great insult to compare them with your narrow vision of pre-medeival Zionist mind-control.
Pick a point in history and look to the future. La vita e bella. Get a life!
Correction. Greats was based on ideas that preceded the hegemony of Roman Catholicism, but which presumably led to the creation of an all powerful, religious government, like sleep-walking into madness.
The UK and its colonies are littered with Classical porticos and pillared facades, built from slavery and war. Fortunately Christianity prevailed over both the Pope and Empire and we arrived at pluralism and a welfare state. Even greater things are to follow, if the Muslims ever start to practice their faith.
resident dissident is extraordinarily full of shit today, at 11:19. He says Putin signed the agreement. He did not.
Res diss imagines “pressure” brought to bear on Russia, champion of the Minsk agreement, to “bring” Putin to the negotiating table. The only pressure was exerted by the US, to sabotage the ceasefire by ramming more bad debt through IMF to encourage the routed Ukraine Nazis to fight on.
Your US/UK peanut gallery is shut out. You lose again. Face it, you can’t do shit about it, except lie.
US destroys Fallujah
The US destruction of Fallujah in 2004 was a prime motivation for the growth of ISIS.
Genuine terrorists require little amplification of their acts. These acts are designed to create a certain emotional response. A beheading here, a burning there – ghastly repetitions of old acts, as old as The Rack or the Judas Chair.
It takes little imagination to picture the pain. The terrorist conducts the act in public, on YouTube at least, in order to sow terror. That is the point of the act.
The “Islamic State” (IS, formerly ISIS) has been in the spotlight for its barbarism, most recently for the killing – by fire – of the Jordanian pilot, Moaz al-Kassasbeh. Prior to that, IS attained notoriety for its beheadings. Less well known are its violent acts against homosexuals, who have been thrown off buildings to their death.
All of this seems to be authorized by Abu Bakr Naji’s 2004 Idarat al-Tawahush (‘Management of Savagery’), a textbook apparently of the IS. It seeks religious authority, but also historical validation. The time of the “Islamic State” is largely the waning days of the Crusades, when the Franks began to withdraw after the fall of Acre in 1291. Victory, to the jihadi, seems at hand.
One of the most obvious questions raised is why the IS is barbaric. The demand made to Muslims that they condemn acts by the “Islamic State” suggests that there is a view that this is somehow authorized by Islam.
Certainly, the IS seeks to find legitimacy in Islam – as it would. But this does not mean that it is Islam that authorizes such brutality. If a murderer seeks justification in a fantasy, it should not allow one to believe that the fault of murder lies in the fantasy.
If the motivation for these acts is not in Islam, then perhaps they might be found in other traditions? One of the most gruesome videos is associated with the killing of the aid worker Peter Abdulrahman Kassig, the fifth western hostage to be killed by the IS. Kassig’s death comes in the last minutes of a fifteen-minute video.
The rest of the video has nothing to do with Kassig. It is a diatribe against the 2003 US invasion of Iraq and then the aftermath, namely – in the terms of the “Islamic State” – the handing over of Iraq to the Shia, the nusayri, as the video calls them.
Here lie two additional explanations of the extreme violence of the IS and it is worthwhile to take them in sequence.
The US occupation of Iraq
The list of atrocities committed against Iraq is long. In 1991, the US bombardment of Iraq was fiery and terrifying. When Iraqi troops withdrew on the run from Kuwait, US aircraft bombed them along Highway 80, the ‘Highway of Death’. At least a thousand soldiers died along the road. The 24th Division 1st Brigade of the US army investigated two incidents in 1991, one of which resulted in the death of perhaps three hundred and fifty already-surrendered Iraqi soldiers.
That war morphed into a brutal sanctions regime, whose destructive impact on Iraqi society has not been fully gauged. UN officials in charge of humanitarian relief during the sanctions regime – Denis Halliday and Hans Christof von Sponeck – resigned from their posts in disgust.
The 2003 invasion once more resulted in fiery bombing runs that wrecked Iraq’s infrastructure and destroyed its cities. When the insurgency against the US occupation began, the US reaction was swift and ruthless – Fallujah was twice razed (the Imam of the Grand Mosque of Fallujah, Sheikh Jamal Shakur, was arrested by the US forces; they also incarcerated his family).
Of course there was the humiliation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, including the suppressed video (according to Seymour Hersh) of the sexual brutality against children in the prison.
There was the use of armed force that leaked into the massacre of civilians, most clearly documented for the 2006 attack in Ishaqi. Where are the families of Turkiya Majeed Ali, Faiz Hratt Khalaf, Sumaya Abdul Kazzaq Khuther, Iqtisad Hameed Mehdi, Hawraa (age 5), Asma Yousif Maarouf (age 5), Usama Yousif Maarouf (age 3), Aisha (age 3), Husam (age five months)?
What damage did this killing of innocents by a US strike do to their wider family? How many of them have now drifted into the “Islamic State” – or to its Baathist allies?
Hatred of the Shia
There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq before the US occupation in 2003. What existed there were small, barren sections that had been inspired by Bin Laden but had no network, no influence, and no ability to do anything.
Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia emerged as a parasite on the US occupation. It was led by a Jordanian militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. There was little room for him in Iraq. What opened the space was the destruction of Fallujah. Fighters in that city would openly proclaim later that they alone had defended “the city of mosques”.
No longer were the older Sunni groups (such as the Islamic Party) able to claim their allegiance – new formations, such as al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad and Jaish Muhammad, emerged. They certainly went after the US troops (and the United Nations). But their real target became the Shia institutions – a mosque here, a Hawza there.
The sentiment that grew out of the ashes of Fallujah and Ramadi was that the US had destroyed Iraq and handed over the keys to the Shia community. No attempt by Muqtada al-Sadr to bridge the divides through a revived Iraqi nationalism could succeed.
It was not for nothing that Zarqawi would routinely refer to the salafi traditions that he shared with the Saudis, even once enigmatically talking about the Saudis as his funders (“While it was the poor citizens of Iraq who financed this struggle, I have the support of the richest people on earth”). The anti-Shia tendency was so toxic that Osama Bin Laden found it a bit too much. He would rebuke Zarqawi for it.
The history of this sectarianism does not go back to the ancient past, however, but to more recent developments. In 1962, the Saudis, the Moroccans and the Pakistanis worked to develop the World Muslim League (Rabita al-Alam al-Islami). The institutional heft of the World Muslim League, financed by the Saudis, would provide the basis for a deeply intolerant strand of thought and practice to develop from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia.
Routinely the leadership would declare people to be apostates (a fate meted out to the Ahmediyyas in Pakistan), and would provide license for their killing. This toxic strand was born in the Cold War fear of Arab nationalism and communism. It festered through the Afghan jihad and then moulted in the aftermath of the US destruction of the Iraqi state in 2003.
Barbarians are produced, often by their betters. This “Islamic State” is the detritus of the wars that ran from Afghanistan to Libya, from Chechnya to Yemen. It is easy to plumb the depths of its history, harder to know how to combat it.
https://www.facebook.com/stopthewarcoalition?fref=ts
“I guessed he was a spook. Nowhere, until I made the above comment and now where? Can’t you give him another call GCHQ, it’s only 0011 hours?”
Only posting when I got in from work – although perhaps someone who regularly posts in the small hours should be a little more careful with their observations. The same might apply to the Putin Hasbara posting at 3:32am or is it 7:32am Moscow time? Perhaps he spends the daylight hours searching the moonbat websites from which he draws his information.
“He says Putin signed the agreement. He did not.”
No he got one of puppets to do so possibly because he broke his own pencil. Mr Zurabatin likes attacking old people so he is clearly one of the “progressives” favoured by Mr Goss in his Left Unity infiltration mode.
Lysias
“It is very off for someone who seems delighted that Irish people ended up fighting each other”
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You may not have studied logic when readiing Greats at your (still unnamed) Ixford college but you obviously took a short but effective course* in lying, Lysias.
Kindly identify the “delight” in my comment, which read as follows:
“And some of them got so offended they even started fighting each other.”
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At Oxford – or in the US Navy – or even on the US garrosin in West Berlin? 🙂
RobG
“1000 comments, but the trouble is that 500 of them are from the dancing troll with bells on his hat.”
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You really shouldn’t be so rude about your colleague Republicofscotland. You’ll lose your bonus if you carry on like that!
“So Mr Putin has signed an agreement to withdraw the heavy weapons from the territory held by the rebels – now I wonder where those weapons came from and to where they will be withdrawn given the assurances by Mr Putin and others here that Russia had not supplied heavy weapons to the rebels – or perhaps they were just private heavy weapons that decided to do a bit of private volunteering in Eastern Ukraine.”
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The above (from Resident Dissident) was so excellent that it bears re-posting.
NB to Messrs Goss, RobG, RoS et al – that’s how you do humour! Please take note.