Bloody hell. Read this. Brilliant.
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Anon : “Conveniently…
A Node speciality – the conspiracy within a conspiracy. In this case the conspirators created silly videos to divert attention from the real conspiracy.”
And here we see Anon’s speciality, ignore the substantial point . . .
. . . that there were many documented instances of illegal election procedures – ballot boxes being transported to the counting stations by unaccompanied people, the advance knowledge of the postal ballot by the No campaign leaders, ballot boxes being counted without being linked to their polling station, un-numbered ballot papers, impersonation, and other documented criminal acts (thank you Anon for giving me the opportunity to spell it out yet again)
. . . and try to provoke an argument by ridiculing a minor point, only he’s not very good at it and so often his efforts turn out to be counter-productive.
@Muscleguy, 6:23
I see. Thanks for that. So in case 2, Britain’s final resort is to balk another referendum.
The locus of authority for the referendum under municipal law is contested. But from the precedent of the 2010 ICJ advisory opinion (Accordance with international law of the unilateral declaration of independence in respect of Kosovo,) it’s clear that unilateral Scottish assertion of independence conforms with international law. So the UK cannot utimately prohibit a referendum.
Overwhelming propaganda is their best bet. It worked last time. It worked partly by describing independence as a precipitous leap into the unknown – even though in practice, assertion of indendence begins an extended, detailed negotiation of the terms of the split. It worked through the UK’s coercive threat to voters’ pensions. It worked in standard CIA style by mobilizing the extreme right.
So what’s the proper preparation this time? Cut the umbilical to the BBC. Assert monetary sovereignty, even if you plan to peg at first. Make reassuring reference to the experience of Slovakia, Palau, Montenegro, and Slovenia. And internationalize the split to forestall legal challenges by making British impunity for torture and aggression an explicit motive for Scottish independence.
John Goss, 5 Feb, 2015 – 4:24 pm
Here is Milov’s own blog post on Echo Moskvy:
http://echo.msk.ru/blog/milov/1286428-echo/
It is too long for me to translate, but I can say that he comes across as a Russian patriot, and what he writes accords well with my own experiences of life in the USSR, in the Ukraine and in the UK over the last 20-odd years. One passage in particular, addresses the enthusiastically promoted myth in Russia (and on this blog, curiously) that the West has somehow played a major if not decisive role in the ‘coloured’ uprisings, expressly aimed at undermining Russia. This idea is self-evidently bunk because it denies the truth that the oppressed are able to stand up of their own will for their civil and political rights, and instead falsely ascribes these massive uprisings to “plots” that are “financed” by sinister roreign forces. This thesis is simply not believeable if you have experienced the public mood in the Ukraine over the years since independence, if you are aware of the historical context of what is going on there – the struggle against Russian imperialism goes back centuries. Your assertion that the war in eastern Ukraine was ‘started’ by Poroshenko / Yatzenuk is just baffling. And what’s with the insults – do you really think your arguments carry more weight if you describe the people you dislike as ‘weasel-faced’ and ‘porky’? (rhetorical question..)
While Evgueni shills for the forces of darkness for a few worthless tokens, it is my solemn duty to report the death of an old friend beloved of all humanity: The Pacific Ocean and all life therein RIP.
Kettled.
Comment on Medialens.
More patronising bollocks from the Graun
Posted by ceemac666 on February 6, 2015, 3:04 am
As a London-centric Blairite commentator Martin Kettle is naturally in perfect tune with the mood of Scots voters.
“In Scotland the SNP provides a vehicle, doors invitingly open and the motor revved and purring, for such jaundiced voters to hop aboard. The SNP’s recurrent claim that Labour and the Conservatives are joined at the hip – a pair of indistinguishable English parties – is an astonishing audacity. It has no connection to reality. But it is believed – look at the polls. The nationalists have made the sale, that’s for sure, and it’s both deeply impressive and deeply scary”.
“Labour’s credibility in Scotland rests on whether it is a plausible government in waiting. Every uncertainty about Labour undermines that. If Scots believe that Labour will form a government, the Labour vote will remain reasonably solid. If they don’t then they will continue to desert Labour for a party that says it will stand up for Scotland against the Conservatives. The result will be an existential battle for Britain of the kind that Brown rightly fears”.
He displays the same semi-detached arrogance that marks the real failure of the Labour Party in Scotland.In his own words…
“There is something both incredible and irresponsible about the general casualness within which this process is occurring”.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/labour-failure-scotland-battle-britain-ed-miliband-gordon-brown
will u cry? u will if you have followed the story of Professor Sami Al-Arian for the past 12 years:
Exclusive Interview: Sami Al-Arian, Professor Who Defeated Controversial Terrorism Charges, is Deported from U.S
By Murtaza Hussain and Glenn Greenwald
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/05/sami-al-arian-charged-terrorism-never-convicted-deported-today-u-s/
“This idea is self-evidently bunk because it denies the truth that the oppressed are able to stand up of their own will for their civil and political rights, and instead falsely ascribes these massive uprisings to “plots” that are “financed” by sinister roreign forces.”
Spot on – as I’ve said before this view that people are unable to stand up for their own views and can only act on behalf of the foreign forces (from the usual places) really is verging on racism. When over half of state contracts under the previous Ukrainian President were being handed to his son – did it really need the US to inspire the Maidan? If you look at the website of saker and his ilk the racism is barely concealed e.g. the reference to Ukrainian being a village dialect, the attacks on Poland etc etc.
Free Julian!
6 February 2015
Julian Assange: Costs of policing Wikileaks founder reach £10m
Police have conducted an around-the-clock guard of the embassy, in London’s Knightsbridge, since June 2012
Scotland Yard has spent about £10m providing a 24-hour guard at the Ecuadorean embassy in London since Wikileaks founder Julian Assange claimed asylum there, figures show.
Between June 2012 and October 2014, direct policing costs were £7.3m, with £1.8m spent on overtime, police said.
Mr Assange, who denies allegations he sexually assaulted two women in Sweden, faces arrest if he leaves the embassy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31159594
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“When over half of state contracts under the previous Ukrainian President were being handed to his son – ”
And presently resources being as they are, expensive and rare, competition resulting in completed state projects will be great requiring austere economic processes to aissist in the fruition.
Of such projects being beneficial to state and citizens.
@Evgueni
your deliberately manufactured inverted diatribe One passage in particular, addresses the enthusiastically promoted myth in Russia (and on this blog, curiously) that the West has somehow played a major if not decisive role in the ‘coloured’ uprisings, expressly aimed at undermining Russia. This idea is self-evidently bunk because it denies the truth that the oppressed are able to stand up of their own will for their civil and political rights, and instead falsely ascribes these massive uprisings to “plots” that are “financed” by sinister r[f]oreign forces…
Whilst I agree with you about the oppressed being oppressed, and I have no particular evidence for the western funded color revolution in Ukraine other than the $5B, and the statement in court by the [former, Morsi] interior minister who swore on oath that the USA planned for two years then instigated the previous Egyptian color revolution, and the fact that the revolutionary documents used to motivate the oppressed in Egypt are/were identical (save for Arabic -> Ukrainian) to the motivational documents spread to move the Maidan, oh and the fact that my relatives who live in Ukraine have reported ‘ground-truth’ that THE MAIDAN REVOLUTIONARIES WERE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS TURNED OUT IN 2014 AND THEY WOULD LIKE ANOTHER REVOLUTION PLEASE. There’s also the donuts to be taken into consideration!
Never mind sock-puppet Evgueni & your controllers, after all, starting a US proxy war in Europe does give the military industrial complex something to do, it almost gives NATO/OTAN some reason to exist. Maybe you feel proud for your part in sanitising the 5000+ deaths? “just obeying orders” perhaps?
Why is it, whenever the Russian chess-pieces in this deadly war are defeating the American {Polish, EU etc} chess-pieces on the ground, the propaganda ramps-up, Sky news actually covers the shelling of civilians for 5 minutes, then announces that an EU-led peace-plan is in the offing. PM’s fly-around, hoping to achieve something, saving-face?
the cynical real-world perspective viewers of this blog wonder if it is another chance for the US proxy forces to regroup, bring in bigger weapons (nukes?) with which to try and ethnically cleanse european citizens in european cities, as they have done with previous ‘peace negotiations’/’cease-fires’. have you seen the photos of f***ing ballistic missiles fired by the American/UA army against the civilians in the east? WTF is that?
I am not for an instant pro-Putin, I really like America! but I won’t be blatantly lied to by the obviously unintelligent intelligence community – especially if they try and do this in such a half-arsed way that not only myself & colleagues but around 50% of the German nation have noticed the lies this time! You’re supposed to do things covertly – that’s not overtly – covert means exciting secret meetings in Brussels & Washington. Overt is MH17.
I do hope its a real cease-fire, Putin will certainly accept the current demarcation lines, Ukraine and its fine citizens can start to rebuild. Where will the color revolution strike next?
Evgueni, could you tell us who is forming your policy – as they are guilty of war-crimes in europe at present, but there’s still the mad worry that it could get worse…
Vladimir Milov and his chums are a throwback to the Western organised neoliberal economic policies that caused such misery in Russia in the 1990s.
He defends this period too.
I’m not surprised you didn’t translate the article.
It’s self-serving nonsense from start to finish.
He seems to have plenty of outlets for his ideas. So, let’s see how he and his mates do at election, if Russians are foolish enough to fall for the same garbage as before.
I doubt it, especially now they can clearly see what damage the same nonsense in doing to the West.
Dunno about this. You decide.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Rita_Katz_is_at_it_again_—_Fake_ISIS_video_exposed/41539/0/38/38/Y/M.html
Why not point to the self-serving bits, Herbie – what are they. Here’s an extensive summary of Molov’s blog post in English:
http://www.interpretermag.com/kremlins-anti-western-mythology-dangerously-self-destructive-milov-says/
Interesting hour long discussion about Syriza with lefty theorists has just been on resonance fm.
Including the highly speculative idea of Grexit followed by a long painful transition to the worlds first carbon free economy. And other more down to earth stuff.
You should be able to listen again in a few hours, either here or here.
What ‘evidence’ do you need YouKnowMyName that is not in plain sight? Garton Ash, McCain & co want the world to build up a really dangerous and uncontrollable dynamic against Russia; they know Russia will balk, I know, they know Putin WILL ACQUIESCE after the button is armed, it will be others who actually pull the ‘defensive’ launch lever triggering the end of the planet.
We, Europe need to ignore their war-mongering nonsense and corrupt appeasement and say very loudly to America & co that we won’t play their game.
That is the right thing to do. So stop writing nonsense.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/01/putin-stopped-ukraine-military-support-russian-propaganda
Whats with this MSM/sayanim mass cacophony demonizing Putin in the most juvenile language, its almost like Christ during Herod’s time. Is he that worth it?
NoIDontKnowYourName,
I post under my real name. I see that you wish to insult me – this tactic is the last resort of a small intellect, it has a name – ad hominem, i.e. attack the person instead of his or her argument.
Here is what I mean. The definition of diatribe according to the Oxford English dictionary:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/diatribe
“A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something”. OK, but you called my post an ‘inverted’ one of those, hmm what’s that?
The definition of “inverted diatribe”:
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=%22inverted+diatribe%22
Oops, it is in the realm of post-modernism writing. You are conflating the rules of grammar with the rules of logic, a mistake that my young children often make.
As to your relatives in the Ukraine reporting that the people who endured on the Maidan are unhappy – they are correct. This is not news, you can read it for yourself in the headlines on Ukrainian Pravda and in the comments there. The main force uniting people on the ground was disgust with the extent of corruption and since the uprising – the perceived lack of progress with anti-corruption reforms. Military conflict in the east was an unintended consequence, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who is delighted with that outcome. Does this discontent prove that the revolution has been subverted by Western secret services – no. This kind of muddled thinking also has a name – a non-seqitur.
non-sequitur, even 🙂
Who’s side are you on Craig?
In reply to your Ex-Fellow Diplomat Charles Crawford on The Telegraph..
Who’s the donkey here? Anyone with half a brain will realise that the US neocon orchestrated coup in The Ukraine, and the resultant sanctions, was as big an attack on Europe (and potentially even more dangerous to Europe) than it was to Russia.
Europe needs Russia as a Trading Partner. Europe needs Russian Energy. It cannot be sourced from anywhere else at least within the next 10 years. If Putin cut off the gas to all Nato countries..which he could do at any moment…Most of Europe would be economically destroyed.
This an attack By the USA on Europe as well as Russia.
The USA has never attacked Europe in this way before..and none of the European Establishment, Politicians – or even the Civil Service Diplomats like Crawford have done anything whatsoever to defend European and / or British interests.
Its as if they are all Traitors working for The USA..
Even worse, if this conflict escalates – it could easily result in a Nuclear World War III and the extinction of the human race.
You guys disgust me. I can’t believe you are British.
Tony
Evgueni 6 Feb, 2015 – 1:47 am
Afraid you shot yourself in the foot with this nonsense and sound just as stupid as Resident Dissident who supports the fascists in Ukraine and the right-wingers like Milov in Russia. Obama has admitted that the US funded the coup, though most sensible people knew that anyway.
http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=201
Mary, 7.54am
And now Sweden has come right out and said it:
Sweden Tells the UN that Indefinite Detention Without Charge is Fine:
https://wikileaks.org/Sweden-Tells-the-UN-that.html
And as to Ukrainian Pravda its reports are as near to the truth as the old Soviet Pravda of which there used to be a joke: There is no truth in Pravda, and no news in Izvestiya. But you’re probably too young for that. 🙂
Sorry got it wrong. It should have been no truth in Izvestiya and no news in Pravda. Or vice versa.
В “Правде” нет известий, а в “Известиях” нет правды.
In 2017, Britain will be the lead nation of NATO’s Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF), engaging in great-power confrontation in breach of the non-interference principle of A/RES/36/103. Why would Scotland want to pay for this nonsense? If the SNP really wants to form a sovereign state it will have to start acting like one, and the first most urgent step is to formalize a policy of civil resistance to enforce the Scottish people’s right to peace. Specifically, enact the Santiago Declaration in Scottish law. In compliance with Santiago Declaration Article 5(6), make no contributions to British revenue that are not compatible with peace.
JG – and are there hunters involved in ‘hunternews.ru’?
I ask, because although the allegation that Obama facilitated the current chaos is all over the Russophile net, it is always based obn a single CNN source, a CNN interview last Sunday, in which Obama ‘admits’ brokering the Maidan transition process. Not the same thing at all.
Here’s the quote:
(Obama) …And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine – not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine…
Here’s the link:
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakaria-gps-cnn-exclusive/
Hint: antiamerican propaganda generally looks more credible if it isn’t lifted without checking from some gash Russian outlet…this one looks like Voice of Putin.
Mr Goss
“And as to Ukrainian Pravda its reports are as near to the truth as the old Soviet Pravda of which there used to be a joke: There is no truth in Pravda, and no news in Izvestiya. But you’re probably too young for that.”
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But I’m not. Therefore I’m also old enough to remember the rise of the Polish Solidarity movement.
So that I can form an opinion on your bona fides in order better to evaluate your ardent defence of the Russian-inspired, fascist rebels in eastern Ukraine, I need an answer to the following questions:
1/. what was your opinion – at the time – of the Polish Solidarity movement? Did you support it (mentally)?
2/. do you think that the Soviet Union should have intervened militarily (cf Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968) in order to crush the movement?
Mary
“Julian Assange: Costs of policing Wikileaks founder reach £10m
Police have conducted an around-the-clock guard of the embassy, in London’s Knightsbridge, since June 2012”
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I agree, it’s a fecking disgrace. Good money that could be used for OUR NHS!
Cannot the man be charged with wasting or causing the waste of public funds?
In 2017, Britain will be the lead nation of NATO’s Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF), engaging in great-power confrontation in breach of the non-interference principle of A/RES/36/103. Without UNSC authorization or Military Staff Committee supervision in breach of NATO Charter Article 7, Britain will engage in provocative military mobilization at the borders of a nonbelligerent state.
Why would Scotland want to pay for this nonsense? If the SNP really wants to form a sovereign state it will have to start acting like one, and the first most urgent step is to formalize a policy of civil resistance to enforce the Scottish people’s right to peace. Specifically, enact the Santiago Declaration in Scottish law. In compliance with Santiago Declaration Article 5(6), make no contributions to British revenue that are not compatible with peace. Britain will be shot of you in no time and you’ll be free.
Arbed
Thank you for your post at 15h18.
I wonder if you – as an expert on this matter – could help me with a question I have about the link you kindly provided?
The link consists of a short video and somewhat longer text ( neither of which from the UN itself).
Now, in the text if your link we find the following:
“After the UPR session the Swedish delegation – headed by Annika Söder, State Secretary for Foreign Affairs – held a press conference at 1pm outside the UN room in which the UPR had been conducted. The press conference lasted only 4 minutes before Ms. Söder abruptly cut it off after finding that all the questions were about Sweden’s mishandling of Assange’s case.”
But when I looked at the video in the link I noticed that “all the questions” amounted to only two questions and that Mrs Soeder ended the press conference not abruptly but simply because there were no other questions.
Have I missed something there? Or is the link you posted somewhat flawed (not to say tendentious)?
Thanks.