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  • Peacewisher

    Well, that didn’t last long! It appears that shelling has restarted around Debaltsevo. Everywhere else apparently quiet though.

  • John Goss

    Resident Dissident I tried to handle your irrational “I said it so its right” attitude but find you cannot handle rational debate. You are always antagonistic “I am right. You are wrong.” Like Putin, in an effort to stop the war, I am prepared for Poroshenko to have written into the agreement for the withdrawal of the non-existant Tornado launching systems, which I can assure you only the Russian military have. Why be so defensive. If Poroshenko is right they will find them. Take a look at the video of Tornado-launched rockets and you will see there is a big difference – a frighteningly big difference. Have a good night’s sleep.

  • John Goss

    ““The moment the coup d’état happened was the moment when Ukraine entered this tragic path of decline and degradation,” Anna Van Densky, political commentator at EU Reporter magazine, told RT”

    I agree with that analysis. Anybody disagree?

  • John Spencer-Davis

    I’m fed up of trying to get my head around things like Dresden. I wasn’t there, I wasn’t born during WW2, I didn’t live through it. I just don’t understand why, if Germans were murdering British civilians, that made it all right for Britain to murder German civilians. I would have thought that that made us no better than our official enemy. Apparently entertaining such a thought as that makes me unpatriotic. I honestly don’t know. Good night. J

  • Dreoilin

    The deadline was midnight tonight, John. Ukraine time. It’s about 2.40am there now.

    Reuters just tweeted this:

    “Shelling halts in Ukraine’s Donetsk as Poroshenko orders ceasefire”
    reut.rs/1FMyn18

  • Peacewisher

    @J: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” ex-19th century head Parliamentarian Edmund Burke

  • Peacewisher

    Nobody in their right mind wants war, John. So nobody in their right mind would encourage fascism….

  • Dreoilin

    “A ceasefire agreed between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatists has come into force, the first step in a peace plan aimed at ending 10 months of conflict in eastern Ukraine.

    “The truce officially started at 2200 GMT on Saturday night, but a surge in fighting in the run-up to the ceasefire has cast doubt on whether it will be respected …

    “On Saturday, intense fighting persisted around the strategic government-held railway hub of Debaltseve, in the eastern part of Ukraine, which has been besieged by separatist forces …

    http://trove.com/me/content/laW1J

  • Peacewisher

    @J2: Hellstorm: The Dresden Holocaust…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU5u7aoSxFQ

    Many have wondered why Churchill didn’t win a landslide victory in the subsequent election. The blowback (pun not intended) from bad publicity as the full extent of Dresden destruction unfolded, may have had some effect on that election. My father used to go on about it.

  • Peacewisher

    For balance. This is what happened to London the blitz:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2243951/The-astonishing-interactive-map-EVERY-bomb-dropped-London-Blitz.html

    No more war in Europe until… interference with, and destabilisation of Yugoslavia, 1991. It’s been slowly ramping up ever since. Apparently Croatian are now fighting with Ukrainian forces and Serbians with the separatists.

    It’s not that people forget about war… its just that they die off, and subsequent generations haven’t learned the lessons and make the same mistakes…

  • John Goss

    “So that’s why the Russians agreed to their withdrawal!”

    Poroshenko had made a claim that there were Tornado delivery systems in his false-flag attack on Kramatorsk. He must have insisted on their ‘removal’ to give himself some kind of credibility. I guess Putin, ever the diplomat, must have thought eventually let him have the mention of removing non-existant weapons, smiling to himself. I bet that’s why it took so long to complete the agreement, with Poroshenko removing himself to phone Washington and find out what he should do. Also getting that clause for amnesty for the Fascist mass-murderers must have taken an hour or two. How many false-flags? MH17. Kramatorsk. Maidan. The fake Strelkov admission. How many more? All gleefully reported in the Kiev Comic.

    Those keen on having a thorough investigation of MH17, rather than interviewing Captain Vladislav Voloshin to get quickly to the truth, might also hope, like others amongst us, for a thorough investigation of 9/11.

    http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=7858
    There should be investigations.

  • Mary

    Hollow words.

    ‘HSBC publishes apology in Sunday newspapers

    HSBC has published a full-page advert containing an apology in several newspapers, over claims that its Swiss private bank helped clients evade tax.

    The advert reproduces an open letter signed by chief executive Stuart Gulliver, which says recent coverage had been “a painful experience”.’

  • John Goss

    Thanks Dreoilin. Let’s hope the peace holds and Phoenix can get back to her loved ones in Russia. Graham Phillips is a good journalist. Thanks for the link Peacewisher.

  • Anon

    “The Dresden Holocaust…”

    Dresden seems to be getting the Hiroshima treatment and the left are rewriting history to the point where WW2 is being changed into a white British colonialism issue for which the British should be ashamed. The first step of that is to mark Dresden as a Holocaust equivalent – forget the history and events leading up to it and just take it as a single black blot against Britain.

    They are not interested in the extremities of war, the depths to which Britain was pushed to survive and the civilian casualties suffered the world over because of Hitler, in Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, Belfast and hundreds of other places.

  • Mary

    ‘Stephen Nathan Kinnock (born 1 January 1970, Tredegar)[2] is the husband of Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt and a British executive who has held various senior positions with the British Council prior to joining the World Economic Forum in January 2009 as director, head of Europe and Central Asia.[3] On the Xynteo website he is listed as ‘managing director of the GLTE partnership’, a green lobbying organisation.[4]

    Stephen Kinnock describes himself as from a ‘Labour and Trade Union family’.[5] That is, he is the son of Neil Kinnock, former leader of the Labour Party and ex-chair of the British Council, and Glenys Kinnock, a former Labour Member of the European Parliament and Minister of State (2009–10) at the UK Foreign Office.’

    The Kinnocks are successful niche finders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Kinnock

    PS ‘Kinnock has been married to the Prime Minister of Denmark Helle Thorning-Schmidt since 1996. The couple have two daughters.[19]

    In June 2010, the Danish tabloid B.T. accused Kinnock of tax evasion.[20] At that time he was paying tax in Switzerland where his workplace was situated, and therefore had his main residence there, although his wife’s political website states that ‘The family lives in Østerbro in Copenhagen’.[21] The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen. According to the tabloid, he would possibly exceed 183 days a year in Denmark, meaning he would be fully taxable there. Helle Thorning-Schmidt repudiated the accusations but said the couple would ask the Danish tax authority for an audit.[22][23] The audit by the Danish Tax & Customs Administration (SKAT) was concluded on 17 September 2010, and in its Official Report SKAT stated that ‘Mr Kinnock does not have tax liability for 2007, 08, or 09, as he does not reside in this country within the meaning of the Danish Tax at Sources Act’ [various Danish newspaper reports as of 18 September 2010.]’

    So that’s OK then.

  • Resident Dissident

    “I am prepared for Poroshenko to have written into the agreement for the withdrawal of the non-existant Tornado launching systems, which I can assure you only the Russian military have.”

    On what basis are you able to make such an assurance – “I said it so its right” or inside information or something else. Remember Sake said it is ok to lie on this one.

  • Resident Dissident

    Mr Goss

    Let us take your anti-Stalinism at face value. Perhaps you should note that when the Stalinists in the Soviet Union were taking on Solidarnosc and invading Czechoslovakia and Hungary they too were rather free in accusing their opponents of fascism (I could easily provide examples – but I’ll leave you to do your own research) – you might also wish to note that Putin appears to have adopted the rather ambivalent attitude to Stalin common to former KGB operatives combined with a rather aggressive attitude to those that try to remember the crimes committed by his predecessors.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/russian-human-rights-group-faces-threat-closure

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_(society)

    http://www.memo.ru/eng/index.htm

  • Resident Dissident

    The so called false flag attack on Krematorsk – please read the last but one para Mr Goss

    “the SMM assessed that the shelling was coming from the south-south-east direction.” – not the south west as claimed by Saker, who was not I presume on the ground.

    Also note that the SMM did not rule out that the missiles came from a Tornado system – perhaps they wouldn’t accept your assurances either.

    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/139836

  • John Goss

    These OSCE spot reports are propaganda. You posted one before. So on 29/01/2015 I emailed Michael Bociurkiw and Iryna Gudyma, both based in Kiev to supply an alternative angle to their last spot report asking in the light of new evidence if they would review the OSCE opinion.

    “Hello Ms Gudyma and Mr Bociurkiw,

    Further to my email on 26/Jan/2015 there has been footage of a man (in military gear) walking about and speaking in native English straight after the bombings. According to one report his name is Leon Swampy. Is the OSCE investigating why he is there and why he was at the scene straight after the attack took place? Are there private armies in Mariupol? If so are they being investigated for potentially setting up a false-flag situation to blame the Russians?

    http://www.infowars.com/english-speaking-mercenary-in-mariupol-idd-as-brit-leon-swampy-from-london-england/

    I would appreciate a reply to my first email. Have you revised your initial spot report, or do you still consider the Donetsk resistance fighters to be responsible for the attacks. This got out quite fast and makes it look like this is the position the OSCE is taking unless it is repudiated. Thank you for your help.

    John Goss”

    I am still awaiting their response. Why give email addresses if you have no intention of responding?

    So this Kiev-based pair, who I am sure you will defend, are propagandists for Poroshenko, and not the voice of the real OSCE, which is impartial.

  • Resident Dissident

    “These OSCE spot reports are propaganda”

    Well of course they are – and they fact they don’t reply to your stupid emails immediately, given that they have nothing else to do clearly demonstrates that they are propagandists for Poroshenko. Keep taking the tablets.

    PS does your speed in responding to questions also make you a propagandist for someone?

  • Resident Dissident

    “What should not be there is white phosphorous which the Fascists used, and Senator McCain approves of even though it is banned by international law.”

    This is not actually quite the case it is covered by Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons, which prohibits its use as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations (so the Israeli use in Gaza was a clear violation) and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas. But leaving that aside I didn’t notice Mr Goss complaining about its extensive use by the Russian troops against civilian populations in Chechenya.

    BTW if the Ukrainians have broken the convention then they should face the consequences, along with the Russians and Israelis – one cannot be selective in these matters.

  • Peacewisher

    @Anon: I’m aware that there are different versions of history; that is why I included both sides.

    Back to the previous arguments about the gruesome subject of body count. Even the most conservative numbers for Dresden look pretty terrible. The Archbishop was right to apologise, and we should have done earlier.

  • Herbie

    Contrary to the dribblings of Res Diss above:

    Jack Straw, “described feeling genuinely convinced that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he approved the deployment of troops into Iraq, a feeling he told The Telegraph he now believes to be wrong.”

    “Jack Straw: People still shout ‘war criminal’ at me on the Tube”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jack-straw-people-still-shout-war-criminal-at-me-on-the-tube-10046161.html

    It’s kinda laughable that Res Diss holds dearly to these myths, even whilst those who authored them turn against.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/02/wow/comment-page-7/#comment-509138

    Rather illuminating.

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