Gordon Brown and wee Dougie Alexander once bestrode the world, bombing much of it. Now these mighty egos are confined within Elderslie Village Hall.
The problem is, the average member of the population does not have a high opinion of the dynamic duo. So it is essential that they are kept away from average people, and instead paraded only before vetted audiences of Labour activists. There are not very many of those; so the venues are tiny, with a small number of carefully bunched people holding silly placards, photographed by a compliant media only from carefully prepared angles.
Now I plunge happily into politically incorrect ground. As normal people have abandoned it and Labour has come down to the core of its core support, it is truly striking how remarkably ugly its hardcore activists are. I don’t mean that in any metaphorical sense. I mean that they are an aesthetic disaster. It is not a product of poverty, as the core support are all well employed as research assistants or doing pretendy youth work jobs for Labour councils. Other parties do not have such challenging physiognomy. It is very seldom you can look at a room and say Gordon Brown is one of the best looking people there. Perhaps Blair’s crimes have been written on the faces of all the complicit.
Douglas Alexander not only facilitated the use of Diego Garcia for torture and extraordinary rendition, in an act of extreme hypocrisy the evil little shit also declared a “marine conservation area” around it. In the 1960’s Britain forcibly deported the entire population of the islands to make way for the US Air Base. Faced with a continual political and legal fight for them to return, Alexander sought to make it impossible with his “marine conservation area”. There is nobody who better represents Scottish Labour’s loss of its soul than Alexander. If Mhairi beats him I shall be extremely happy.
Mark Golding retorted to one of the resident keyboard warriors;
Sir your perspicacity and wit, are commendable.
Splendid Anon – that was easy – much more challenging to apologise – here is a report compiled by the same group of doctors that kindly supplied information and acknowledgements from Iraq including receipt of children’s toys and learning aids as comfort to Iraqi infants and children poisoned, maimed and orphaned by our illegal cluster bombs and uranium shells; or would you like a personal reply from Iraq?
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/pdf/DeathSquads2.pdf
“Sir your perspicacity and wit, are commendable.”
But not perhaps his blatant sexism?
Very true and despite the constant bombardment of the Huthies in Yemen by the Saudi jets flown with the zionistani pilots, there is a short fall resulting in US forces being gradually sent there under the usual pretexts and lies.
Fact that the denial of right to bear arms through blockades and siege of Yemen is an industrial scale abuse of human rights of the Huthies whom have every right to defend their lands and country against the Saudi backed murdering mercenaries is never debated, or hinted at.
Evidently human rights extends only to freedom of speech (talk is cheap) and free dom itself, other than that everything else have to be paid for in the good old fashion capitalist way; hook or crook, or invasion and sequestration!
JSD, good to see you back and hope you’re well!
Please read the above comment from Mary and tell me how appropriate it was for her to be educating us about oligarchs, (a subject all too apparent that she know’s nothing about), immediately after Craig had just finished admonishing John Goss about ‘Putin propaganda’ on unrelated threads? Here is her comment:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/04/31972/comment-page-1/#comment-522137
Do you not agree that there is a TIME AND PLACE for everything? And in that comment she accuses RD of forum-sliding?! That’s rich stuff. I submit Mary has lost her bearings on both, time AND place. Often she will push her likes under our noses which, wittingly or more likely unwittingly, have a disruptive effect. And then her constant refrain of sighting trolls!
Reports of hunger and abuse,from Dungavel detention centre in Scotland have been denied by the Westminster government,immigration isn’t a devolved matter.
The Church of Scotland has concerns over the allegations of abuse of immigrants held at Dungavel,and have asked for access to the prison camp styled centre,only to be denied by entry by the Westminster government.
To think some those poor souls have endured,terrible conditions just to reach the UK,and safety,then to suffer,indignities at a Colditz,styled centre in the often trumpted land of democracy,is disheartening to say the least.
However UKIP and Nigel Farage will be pleased.
The likes of Danny Alexander,who’s on the verge of losing his seat in Inverness,may get a back door reprieve into a new government,if Labour win the majority of seats and decide to team up with the LibDems,to form a government.
Mr Alexander may well be me made up to a lord,which would allow him to continue as government treasurer,even though he loses his parliamentary seat.
Another prominent LibDem who could return through the back door is Charles Kennedy,who also looks set to lose his seat.
Better Togethers leader,Alistair Darling,is also touted to walk across the hall into a cosy wee lordship.
More attacks on the SNP from the national press,no wonder theres been another surge of support in scotland fod the SNP.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-wild-weekend/
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-party-that-cried-wolf/
Off topic but information about Libya from Americans that lived there in 2011. Its shocking! 32 minutes in the information starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJyLtlX6Cg#t=2182
“I’m afraid my days of turning the other cheek ended a long time ago – if people are civil to me, I shall return that civility, but otherwise they will get a response in kind.”
We don’t mind that. What I find objectionable is that you can never back up anything you claim with credible fact. You make things up. You selectively edit quotations. You ascribe quotations to other people who comment here which they have not said. And going back further in history . . . You don’t want me to go there do you?
Villager
26/04/2015 3:34 pm
[Villager]: JSD, good to see you back and hope you’re well!
[JSD]: Thank you, very much appreciated.
[Villager]: Please read the above comment from Mary and tell me how appropriate it was for her to be educating us about oligarchs, (a subject all too apparent that she know’s nothing about), immediately after Craig had just finished admonishing John Goss about ‘Putin propaganda’ on unrelated threads? Here is her comment:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/04/31972/comment-page-1/#comment-522137
[JSD]: It’s not a subject I’m the slightest bit interested in, so it just slid by me, sorry. I don’t even know what the argument’s about, nor do I care. If you think Mary’s comments are inappropriate then you are welcome to say so, as is RD. Then she’s welcome to answer you, if she feels like it, and so forth. That’s what the forum’s for, to stimulate debate. As for Craig, I notice that he didn’t say to John Goss: “stop doing this or I’ll chuck you off the forum”. He requested him to stop. That’s all. I am fairly certain that he won’t kick John off if he continues to exercise his freedom of speech.
[Villager]: Do you not agree that there is a TIME AND PLACE for everything?
[JSD]: I’m not sure what to say to that. If irrelevancies and off-topic comments and suchlike were banned from the forum then there wouldn’t be a lot left.
[Villager]: And in that comment she accuses RD of forum-sliding?! That’s rich stuff. I submit Mary has lost her bearings on both, time AND place.
[JSD]: I think she’s wrong about that. Forum-sliding implies intentionality. I try not to post lots of single-line comments myself – bad etiquette. Do you see how easy it is to disagree with someone on here in a way which isn’t rude and insulting? You say: “I think you’re wrong” or “I don’t agree with you”. Very simple.
[Villager]: Often she will push her likes under our noses which, wittingly or more likely unwittingly, have a disruptive effect.
[JSD]: I do not agree that posts which I find irrelevant or I don’t want to look at have a disruptive effect. Just ignore them. It’s easy to do. And I’m certainly guilty of pushing likes under people’s noses myself. Very few people who post on this forum could say they were not guilty of that.
[Villager]: And then her constant refrain of sighting trolls!
[JSD]: It’s not a word I like. Very often “troll” is defined as “someone who persists in disagreeing with me”. And, for the record, as the moderators pointed out not so long ago, if Mary regards someone as a troll then she is mistaken in ever responding to them.
Now let’s take a look at a recent posting of yours (Villager, 26/04/2015 1:45pm), which was one which prompted my comments. I don’t really know why my comments have provoked such hostility. I don’t regard them as particularly controversial.
[Villager]: Mary, thank you for unveiling your mission statement.
[JSD]: Well, that’s something of a sarky way to put it, but I think what she does is commendable, so I second that.
[Villager]: But the blog would be far healthier without your constant golden showers of cut-and-pissed. Why don’t you put up your email here and let those who want to subscribe to your services let you know.
[JSD]: I don’t agree with that statement, which is why I put my comments up in the first place. Mary posts a lot of useful links to material I might well not have found for myself. I think she does a damned good job, and since there were a shower of comments saying everything she was doing was useless, I felt I wanted to disagree publicly with that. If you don’t agree, fine. I don’t care.
Do you think you might be able to express yourself in a less disgusting way? “Golden showers of cut-and-pissed”. And Anon1 says there are no personal attacks on Mary. That’s a laugh.
[Villager]: Rich stuff for you to be talking about forum sliding and disruption by your imaginary trolls.
[JSD]: Already commented on the “forum sliding”, I think she’s misused the phrase. “Imaginary trolls” I don’t agree with.
Kind regards,
John
Johnny Goosestep
The credible facts are Putin has been courting Karimov since well before the Ukraine conflict and is now in a strategic partnership with the dissident boiler, you called Theresa May a racist and a fascist – and that is the case however selectively I quote or don’t quote.
As for backing up my claims – I do this repeatedly when challenging your many lies (e.g. 9/11, Rothchilds, Euromaidan. MH17, Holodomor, the nature of the Putin regime) – but this your standard response is just to ignore or rubbish the source and carry on repeating the same old lies and then resort to abuse of me and my family – I am really wasting my breath with you. As for answering direct questions about your views – you are just evasive and dishonest. You can go wherever you want to go as far as I’m concerned – time and time again you just demonstrate what a fraud you are.
Sides have formed among the users of this comments section. Various commenters are frequently failing to be consistent about opinions and positions. What remains consistent is which side they’re on.
That’s rich, somebody who compliments himself using a sock-puppet has the audacity to call me a fraud.
The collapse of Scottish labour is well deserved. It may well presage a collapse of English labour. Labour has no animating idea. Socialism is dead. The SNP are animated by the Thacherite idea of taking responsibility for yourself – Nationalism. Marry that to an anti-‘austerity’, anti-Westminster trope and you get success. But the Tories are clever – having shafted Salmond in the referendum, they are now using the ‘threat’ of the SNP to ginger up the North. The ‘northern power house’ will be needed to replace Scotland should it go – England will need an extra 100 billion. The rise of the North is the real goal here and the dead hand of socialism must be removed for it to compete with Scotland. That the SNP have to claim that Scots are genetically socialist is both a joke and a bonus for the UK.
Clarification; by “sides” I really meant teams. Responses are now more influenced by who is responding to whom than by what was actually written.
Out of respect for Craig I will not continue to dismantle Resident Dissident’s fabrications since they do not relate to the Douglas Alexander thread.
“The collapse of Scottish labour is well deserved. It may well presage a collapse of English labour. Labour has no animating idea. Socialism is dead.”
Leslie, let’s hope English Labour collapses. However Socialism is not dead. Socialism in the Labour Party is dead.
Where is socialism alive? ( John Gross.)
Macky
Could you please explain why my link to information pointing out the increased capital outflows from Russia due to the current oligarch’s can be considered anti Russian – surely pointing out the continued breach of Russian law and ongoing robbery of Russian resources by the oligarchs is pro Russian – or perhaps you think the money spent on Western property, public schools, football clubs and whores is the way for the Russian economy to go?
“Out of respect for Craig I will not continue to dismantle Resident Dissident’s fabrications”
Please try on another thread – I’m in need of a good laugh!
Leslie, 5:20 pm; social responsibility is alive in the hearts of the majority of ordinary people. Unfortunately, the corresponding socialist concepts are not very active in many of those people’s minds, due to corruption of those concepts by the dominant narratives projected by the corporate mass-media.
Crikey. An electrical storm has broken out here since I fell to sleep at lunchtime and yet another troll has come on the scene. If I post something about Israel atrocities, they, the trolls, will have apoplexy. Whereas I think the Iodine 131 has given me narcolepsy. I have just awoken. Really weird. 🙂
John please don’t waste your time on them on my behalf although it is appreciated.
Meanwhile, I see those poor souls in Nepal are having a terrible time. Estimates of 2,500 killed. We are giving a paltry £5m yet Cameron and May have given many more £millions to ‘protect’ the Jewish fraternity. Not sure of the reason for the protection.
‘Prime Minister David Cameron was loudly applauded as he announced a series of funding pledges in support of Jewish communal security across the UK, amounting to over £11 million.’
https://cfoi.co.uk/prime-minister-david-cameron-israel-will-never-be-alone/
What about those listed on the UK rich list coughing up including the oligarchs?
‘Although the Russian oligarchs come from a wide range of ethnic and cultural backgrounds such as Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians and Tatars, they are almost all at least partly Jewish.[13]’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch
Clark
Perhaps if you talk in terms of what social responsibility means in terms of actions rather than “concepts” then most people will understand regardless of what the mass media understand – people are not stupid or brainwashed they will listen if what you say is relevant to them. On the other hand if you don’t even try then nothing will happen – most people do not get their politics from theoretical text books – and they find it harder to relate to what is going on in the Middle East and Eastern Europe than in their own lives, unless they live there or a have a direct connection.
Perhaps if you look at the predominant subjects/themes on this blog you may appreciate why it is of so little relevance to most political debate in the UK.
Leslie It is John Goss not John Gross btw.
“Although the Russian oligarchs come from a wide range of ethnic and cultural backgrounds such as Russians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians and Tatars, they are almost all at least partly Jewish.”
Don’t worry Mr Putin has made not a few efforts to weed out some of the Jewish ones – be assured all his favoured old St Petersburg friends are from pure Russian stock (whatever that may actually mean) and anti Semitism has been allowed to flourish during his time in power.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117759/anti-semitism-rising-russia-simon-wiesenthal-center-accuses-rt
E Mail from 38 Degrees. I loathe Murdoch even more than Labour.
‘Rupert Murdoch is back. After the phone hacking scandal, Murdoch retreated from UK politics. But now it’s been revealed that he’s back giving orders to his army of journalists in the UK. [1] He’s decided to use his media empire to try to distort this general election and claw back his dominance over our democracy.
According to a story in this week’s Independent, he’s angry about Ed Miliband’s tough stance on press regulation – so he’s told The Sun to be “more aggressive in their attacks on Labour” because of it. [2] He’s ordered his tabloids to unleash a fresh barrage of propaganda to block tougher controls on media barons.
Together, we can help stop Murdoch hijacking this election. We can shine a light on which MP candidates support Murdoch, and which are willing to stand up to him. Please can you email your candidates now to ask them where they stand? Click here:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/rupert-murdoch
If enough of us contact our local candidates now, we can build a huge public record of their responses. We’ll use it to expose pro-Murdoch candidates, and strengthen the resolve of those who resist his power.
It’s clear Murdoch has an agenda for this election. He wants to block new rules reining in the power of media barons like him, and strengthening independent regulation of the press. [3] In other words, he wants to roll back the clock to before the phone hacking scandal, and rebuild the power of the Murdoch empire in the UK.
Back in 2011, 38 Degrees members played a key role in curtailing Murdoch’s power. Thousands of us challenged his bid to grab full control of BSkyB. [4] When it was revealed that Murdoch’s papers had hacked the phones of murder victims and their families, we stepped up the pressure on parliament and stopped his power grab. [5]
So we know that when we work together, we can be a truly effective challenge to Murdoch. As he makes a bid to regain his grip on UK politics, let’s step up again to stop him. Please email your MP candidates now:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/rupert-murdoch ‘
1] The Independent: Rupert Murdoch berated Sun journalists for not doing enough to attack Ed Miliband and stop him winning the general election:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/rupert-murdoch-berated-sun-journalists-for-not-doing-enough-to-attack-ed-miliband-10191005.html
[2] International Business Times: Election 2015: Murdoch tells The Sun ‘future of company’ depends on stopping Miliband becoming PM:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/election-2015-murdoch-tells-sun-future-company-depends-stopping-miliband-becoming-pm-1497507
[3] Press regulation experts Hacked Off argue that to properly regulate the press, the Leveson Inquiry needs to be implemented fully. You can sign their petition here:
http://hackinginquiry.org/levesonnow/
[4] 38 Degrees blog: Victory: Murdoch withdraws BSkyB bid:
http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2011/07/13/victory-murdoch-withdraws-bskyb-bid/
38 Degrees blog: Leveson:
http://blog.38degrees.org.uk/2012/12/07/leveson/
[5] BBC News: News of the World ‘hacked 7/7 family phones’:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841
The Guardian: Missing Milly Dowler’s voicemail was hacked by News of the World:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/04/milly-dowler-voicemail-hacked-news-of-world
5.56pm Response as predicted as I have just told my pro Palestinian friends. We are NOT anti semitic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
Resident Dissident, the matters discussed here are relevant, but most people do not see the connections because they are systematically ignored in the corporate mass-media. These Neocon wars are hugely expensive, as are covert operations, mass surveillance, and nuclear weapons and the decommissioning of the nuclear sites required to produce them. That money, that expenditure of resources, could all be put to much better social uses.
The dominant narrative from the corporate media also present the primary function of government as creating an advantageous environment for business (which they spin as “maintaining the economy”); serving the people is barely mentioned as a function of government.
Mary
Much as you like you cannot redefine the main dictionaries – but happy to use religious bigotry as a synonym if you prefer.