From the DPP’s Statement Today:
•In relation to the allegations investigated in Operation Enamel, the CPS considers that the evidential test was passed on the basis that the evidence is sufficient to have warranted charging and prosecuting Lord Janner in relation to the particular charges listed below; these relate to nine individuals:
•14 indecent assaults on a male under 16 between 1969 and 1988
•2 indecent assaults between 1984 and 1988
•4 counts of buggery of a male under 16 between 1972 and 1987
•2 counts of buggery between 1977 and 1988.•In relation to the other three previous investigations, the CPS also now considers that the evidential test was passed. It follows that the CPS judges that mistakes were made in the decision making at the time by both the Leicestershire police in 2002 and the CPS in 1991 and 2007. Lord Janner should have been prosecuted in relation to those complaints.
It is, to say the least, interesting that the DPP states that police were unable to interview Janner on medical grounds after searching his offices in March 2014. Yet eight months later the Labour Peer was still able to attend the House of Lords and claim his £300 a day expenses.
How many more protected villains are still sat in the House of Lords – or Commons?
I am going to repeat this from my last post, as the implications are so appalling that nobody seems to want to face up to them. Some of these boys must still be alive: the Holocaust Educational Trust – Chairman, Greville Janner – should make a real effort to find them and ask what happened.
Given Janner’s later preying on boys from care homes, I cannot read this without a shudder. In publishing it, I in no way intend to demean the dreadful suffering of the child survivors of the Holocaust. It appears that Janner may have been preying on the most vulnerable of children for his own purposes, and there could have been a sick motive to his concern:
I was taken up to the Kinderheim, to the Children’s Home, where there were some sixty orphan children, most of whose lives had been saved by monasteries, by being out in the woods or by miracles in each case and they all spoke Yiddish and I didn’t speak Yiddish and it was very difficult to talk to them but we knew some of the same songs so we sang together in Hebrew they knew and I knew the songs and then one of them said to me the first Yiddish words I’ve ever learnt , he said “Gavreal”, which is Greville in Hebrew and (he) called me “Gavreal spishtie ping pong, ping pong” and he pushed back and forwards as though he was holding a ping pong bat so my first words in Yiddish were “ping pong” and I played Ping Pong with them and they taught me a few words of Yiddish and I found it such a moving experience that for the next eighteen months I went back to them every weekend.
I also list again the positions which Lord Janner still holds according to the parliamentary website.
Vice President – The Association for Jewish Youth
Vice President – The Jewish Leadership Council
President – The Association of Jewish Ex-Servicemen and Women
Advisory Board – Community Security Trust
Vice President – The World Jewish Congress
Chairman – The Holocaust Educational Trust
Director – The United Jewish Israel Appeal
All of these bodies need to remove Janner from any position he holds – not allow him to gracefully resign. And they need to issue statements repudiating him, as most definitely does the Board of Deputies of British Jews, of which Janner was Chairman for a decade while he was committing these offences.
The Jewish institutions in the UK are acting precisely like the Catholic Church of twenty years ago on this issue. Where is the openness? Where is the angst? Where is the admission? Above all, where is the apology?
“The Jewish community in the UK is acting precisely like the Catholic Church of twenty years ago on this issue.”
Craig, this is simply poor. The Jewish community is doing no such thing. The Jewish institutions are. Poor phrasing at best. At worse it kind of mirrors the Muslims are terrorists stuff.
Janner’s father entered the Lords. Also held some of the same offices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Janner,_Baron_Janner
Here’s Jack Straw doing a Craig.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9571388/Muslim-community-in-denial-about-grooming-rings-says-Jack-Straw.html
Sorry, Craig, but Phil’s right.
“Both Becky and Anon1 might look slightly more sympathetic figures if they gave at least some hint of an opposition to Janner’s paedophile activities, rather than simply attacking me.”
OMG…Craig: we didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition in which certain groups of us are required to *disprove* our guilt. Then again, the Wiki entry on you has something to say on the subject of accusations:
“On 21 August 2003 he was confronted with 18 charges. These included “hiring dolly birds [pretty young women] for above the usual rate” for the visa department, though he claims that the department had an all-male staff, and granting British visas in exchange for sex. The FCO gave him a week to resign and told him that discussing the charges would be a violation of the Official Secrets Act 1989.[10″
Oh my! Perhaps he’s not the Messiah – just a very naughty boy;)
Phil,
Yes, I accept that was poor phrasing. As you suggest, I shall change community to institutions. I shall leave all the comments – am not attempting to hide anything.
Becky,
You strangely miss the bit where I was cleared of all charges. And you still haven’t said anything about Janner’s paedophilia.
“Anon1=Becky Cohen=Sue Perkins? bwahahaha !
Imagine if the 5m die-hard Clarkson fans decided to vote against the Cons for this mega diss – a jewish lesbian replacing a macho English idol,like Botham!! Cameron/BBC Heads had better wear chastity belts around their necks in fear of the wrath of motorings jihadi john equivalents, if their twittering is anything to go by !!”
Thought it wouldn’t take very long for the homophobia to start: anti-Semitism: check; homophobia: check; Misogynistic sexism: check; boring old *boys’ own* gender-normativity: yawn! If it looks like the far right – it probably is the far right.
‘Becky@ – (that wouldn’t be ‘Rebekah’, would it? Just a thought) seems very exercised about the choice of staff in UK embassies abroad. But the PR and intelligence benefits of hiring presentable young people are beyond doubt; here’s our current staff at Hanoi, f’r instance.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7247/7513030958_85f4ee58f0_b.jpg
🙂
Another one off the hook, though the establishment must have been desperately hoping he’d die before it got to this stage.
I certainly don’t agree that all Jewish people should apologise for this man’s behaviour. It’s no more their fault anymore than it’s the fault of Catholic people for the behaviour of some priests, but the organisations he’s still involved, especially The Association of Jewish Youth, should disown him immediately, in my opinion.
One question though; if his condition is as advanced as we’re being led to believe, why then did he only take leave of absence in late 2014? presumably he could still vote on legislation up until then. And why was he still claiming expenses in 2013?
“Becky,
You strangely miss the bit where I was cleared of all charges. And you still haven’t said anything about Janner’s paedophilia.”
So you’re now saying that I must say something now because I’m Jewish?! Yet you claimed it was only the institutions you listed that you felt should make a statement and not every Jewish person because they are Jewish? Busted:)
“‘Becky@ – (that wouldn’t be ‘Rebekah’, would it? Just a thought) seems very exercised about the choice of staff in UK embassies abroad. But the PR and intelligence benefits of hiring presentable young people are beyond doubt; here’s our current staff at Hanoi, f’r instance.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7247/7513030958_85f4ee58f0_b.jpg”
Thanks Ba’al: what a gender conformist photo – could have come straight out of the 1950s. Like something out of Mad Men LOL:) I can see how such a sexist workplace culture might develop in such a heterosexist and gender normative environment.
Some people on here are rather desperately trying to change the subject
“Both Becky and Anon1 might look slightly more sympathetic figures if they gave at least some hint of an opposition to Janner’s paedophile activities, rather than simply attacking me.”
Ad hominems are the name of the game. Some of us have to bat them off on a daily basis on this blog. Bugger the arguments, if that’s the right expression! 🙂
Jewish state hasbara has one trick, whataboutery. MI5 is using it here for its disruption objective. What about the industrial revolution is a new one. Soon, having exhausted all the whiny manipulative permutations, we’ll hear, what about Neanderthal extinction?
Meanwhile Israel, having splintered Palestine to ward off the two-state solution, will ineluctably become a Moslem-majority democracy with Jewish cultural rights. Scotland will achieve self-determination. And the pervs of MI5 will have to run and hide in Myanmar to fuck children.
Some people on here are rather desperately trying to change the subject
Not me. The Janner business is strikingly similar to the Savile one. A man of considerable influence and at least superficial charm convinces all around him that he could not be guilty of repeated serious offences. See how strongly he was supported by his fellow MP’s on all sides:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1991/dec/03/contempt-of-court
I’d like to know the grounds on which the CPS declined to prosecute initially, and those on which it has now decided there was a case to answer, though. There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of explanation in the press reports.
(perhaps an apology from Keith Vaz might be forthcoming…?)
I seem to remember Janner being accused of these crimes back in the 1980’s. The accusers though were from the far right so were dismissed.
Mary
“Imagine my surprise when a very well known BBC newsreader turned up to visit the children!”
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Would you care to name him on here?
And have you gone to the police with that information?
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If not, why not (to both questions)
Permit me please to share this piece of breaking news. Prominent writer Oles Pustyna has been killed today in Kiev.
http://uatoday.tv/politics/famous-ukrainian-journalist-oles-buzina-shot-dead-in-kyiv-421736.html
There will be more, sadly.
Sorry make that Oles Bustina.
Or even Buzina. 🙂
I note that the Leicestershire police are reported to be looking for ways in which Janner might nonetheless be prosecuted.
Question : would it not be possible for one of the alleged abused children (now an adult)to take out a private prosecution against Janner?
I am sure that he (they) could find some lawyer to act for them pro bono.
Great article Mr Murray, thanks you for bringing it to my attention, and well played in leaving the vitriol in the comments for all to see. What a staggering degree of cognitive dissonance! It speaks for itself, its SO telling and its great to see. I just wish you had a wider audience so that more people could join the dots and relate it to the genocidal policies and state sanctioned terrorism that results.
What a fantastic example of how enculturated political beliefs can regress (presumably) otherwise sane people!
James Corbett collates the evidence, already in the public domain, of what increasingly looks like state-protected paedophilia:
“As more and more information surfaces on both sides of the Atlantic about the pedophilia rings operating in the highest echelons of political, business and entertainment circles, even the establishment press is being forced to cover the story. But is the very same establishment that covered up these horrors for decades going to break the dam on this sensitive and paradigm-changing information? Of course not. Join us today on The Corbett Report as we explore how the alternative media can help shape the open source investigation into the practice of political pedophilia and expose the real perpetrators.”
https://www.corbettreport.com/political-pedophilia-an-open-source-investigation/
Craig Murray
16/04/2015 16:23
“Yes, interesting point. Do we know how many doctors examined Ernest Saunders?”
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I certainly have no idea. His diagnosis was 25 years ago or thereabouts, however.
And when he got better, he should have gone back to gaol.
Kind regards,
John
“coddie
16 Apr, 2015 – 3:14 pm
Some people on here are rather desperately trying to change the subject”
They certainly are, coddie! He was at first, but to be fair though, Craig has addressed the cause of what was giving people the impression that he was anti-Semitic and has now changed “Jewish community” to “Jewish institutions”. Unfortunately, anti-Semites and Neo-Nazis will inevitably jump on this issue to use it as ammunition for their hateful and irrational conspiracy theories in much the same way as Islamophobes and racists have used the Rotherham abuse scandal to promote their odious ulterior agendas.
*If Lord Janner is guilty of the horrendous crimes alleged then he should be held accountable like anyone else and the victims stories should be heard. A caution though, before anyone jumps to conclusions that the ‘dementia’ defence is just a fabricated ‘excuse’: If he is suffering from dementia then there are actually some dementias – such as vascular dementia – that can come on suddenly causing the sufferer to decline rapidly as the results of a series of TIAs or mini-strokes. Nothing sinister here – sorry to disappoint the far-right conspiracy theorists nuts – but in a court of law there really is no way around convicting someone who is not mentally capable of making a legal defence…or even understanding the allegations brought against them anymore. This is not only about Lord Janner vs. his (alleged) victims: prosecuting such a person would set a very dangerous legal precedent. If we just locked up people on suspicion of crime then does that make us Brits as equally tyrannical as say, for instance, Stalin’s USSR?
If Janner is entirely innocent – as his family have protested – and if this is just a case of a group of unscrupulous people who are taking advantage of an 86-year-old with dementia in order to get money off him or promote their vile, far-right ‘political’ agendas – then by exploiting the elderly vulnerable they are similarly as despicable as child abusers.
MJ
16/04/2015 1:48 pm
“It’s usually more distressing for family and friends than for the victim. My mother had Alzheimer’s and retreated into her own world, which did not appear to be an unhappy place. I believe this is not atypical.”
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I’m very sorry to hear that your mother developed it.
It is certainly intensely distressing for family and friends. I am sure you were highly supportive, which can be very helpful to persons who have it. I do not really wish to get into relative levels of comparison of distress between carer and cared-for, nor am I persuaded that words like usual, typical, atypical etc are very useful, since the disease is so very variable.
Have a look for yourselves and make your own judgements.
http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=133
http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=101
Kind regards,
John
So the Jewish Congress is lead by a certified Alzheimer sufferer?, tell me another one. If he can lead then he is accountable.
Becky Cohen
16/04/2015 4:27 pm
“If Lord Janner is guilty of the horrendous crimes alleged then he should be held accountable like anyone else and the victims stories should be heard. A caution though, before anyone jumps to conclusions that the ‘dementia’ defence is just a fabricated ‘excuse’: If he is suffering from dementia then there are actually some dementias – such as vascular dementia – that can come on suddenly causing the sufferer to decline rapidly as the results of a series of TIAs or mini-strokes. Nothing sinister here – sorry to disappoint the far-right conspiracy theorists nuts – but in a court of law there really is no way around convicting someone who is not mentally capable of making a legal defence…or even understanding the allegations brought against them anymore.”
Lord Janner is not diagnosed as suffering from vascular dementia; his diagnosis is Alzheimer’s Disease, which usually follows a smoother decline than vascular dementia. That is not to say that it cannot show a sudden decline, though. As I said, it is extremely variable. It is also possible to have both Alzheimer’s Disease and vascular dementia at the same time, which results in a diagnosis of “mixed-type” dementia.
I absolutely agree that the diagnosis should not be regarded automatically as a fabricated excuse. Lord Janner is 86 years old. 1 in 6 people over 80 have a form of dementia and I have seen estimates that 45% of people over 85 have Alzheimer’s Disease.
Kind regards,
John
Kind regards,
John
@Becky Cohen
“… and if this is just a case of a group of unscrupulous people who are taking advantage of an 86-year-old with dementia in order to get money off him or promote their vile, far-right ‘political’ agendas”
You really should seek some professional help for your paranoia. This is about the abuse of vulnerable children – it’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with religion, politics or any other “beliefs”.
It’s clear that there have been significant suspicions and evidence about this persons activities for more than 20 years – the precautionary principle should have been applied by anyone he worked with decades ago. It’s better that an “innocent” adult man loses some privilege than ONE child is abused.