If you thought that Nicola Sturgeon repeatedly mentioned the waste of money – 100 billion pounds – on updating the Trident nuclear missile system, during the leaders’ debate, plainly you need to be committed to a state mental institution. It is unthinkable that Britain’s possession of nuclear weapons should ever be questioned on British mainstream media.
It is so unthinkable, that IT NEVER HAPPENED. Not one British mainstream media report of the debate mentions Trident missiles or nuclear weapons. A Google news search on trident missiles or on nuclear weapons throws up zero references to the leaders’ debate or Nicola Sturgeon in British mainstream media today. Not one of the broadcasters’ highlight packages repeated Nicola’s outrage at the country’s throwing away money on weapons of mass destruction when so many children are living in poverty.
The media manage to report the many polls and commentators that say she won the debate, while suppressing what she actually said.
So there is nothing to see here. Go back to sleep. IT NEVER HAPPENED. YOU IMAGINED IT. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
Seriously, is that not really, really sickening and deeply, deeply scary?
Brian, and inevitably the right wing press are doing the usual demolition job on the likes of Victoria Prosser…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3023797/I-speak-Cameron-interrupted-wellbeing-guru-heckler-homeless-servicemen-leaders-debate.html
And President Correa was heavily criticised for going after the press barons…
I have an idea that Natalie Bennett also have mentioned Trident….
Had Leanne Wood done the same, we would have had a great story..
Western trolls are much more open in their trolling, even openly putting that names on the propaganda supporting their covert bosses.
Look at the piece that Brian Cloughley has written for Counterpunch.
He goes on and on about NATO’s buildup in Brussels and Eastern Europe without saying a word about its crash in France where he conveniently lives.
While he does mention the ouster and killing of Qaddafi, he never mentions a word about the Mediterranean Dialogue arranging it.
He is only interested in the possibilities of war in Eastern Europe, really saying nothing about Washington’s dismantling of Western Europe as a global player, especially in the Mediterranean.
Is it not typical that on this thread and the previous one people are focussing on the leaders’ “debate” and the BBC’s reporting of it rather than on the real issues for the forthcoming election?
Deficit reduction, anyone? – necessary or not, if so at what pace, etc…..?
After 2 years of the national press,virtually condemning Scottish independence,it comes as no surprise to me, and many others that Trident wasn’t mentioned by the MSM.
The other major parties at Westminster,don’t want to mention the scrapping of Trident,its down to some quaint empirical logic,that somehow possessing Trident gives the UK, clout around the globe,in reality,it doesn’t.
In fact Trident in my opinion portrays the UK,in an aggressive manner. Nicola Sturgeon made some telling points in the live debate,no more so than,keeping promising to help keep the Labour party on honest.
As for Trident,independence is the only sure way to oust these odious,and incredibly expensive unusable weapons from Scotland.
The Spanish electorate has obviously been casting a beady eye beyond its own frontiers…..
With the result that, having observed the chaos and imminent bankruptcy of SYRIZA-led Greece, it has, according to public opinion polls, knocked PODEMOS down into third place with a view to the forthcoming general election.
Sensible people, the Spanish!
Defence spending – and with it, the question of nuclear weapons (for this is what the “Trident debate” really is) – has not been of other than marginal importance in any UK general election since 1950.
Notwithstanding the best efforts of the SNP, this will again be the case in this year’s general election.
Deficit reduction, anyone? – necessary or not, if so at what pace, etc…..?
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Deficit reduction that’s a good one,the last two chancellor’s have between them,spent more than all the previous chancellor’s thats gone before them.
Now Labour and the Tories,not forgetting,the LibDems, (though I wish I could) want to balance the books on the backs of the poorest people in society.
The Tories have failed miserably,and have no other policies,except austerity,and Labour dont possess a better altenative,with Ed Balls openly admitting he wouldn’t change a thing in George Osbornes budget.
A quite remarkable statement from an opposition chancellor.
Any ‘deficit reduction’ for the bankers’ bonuses? No way.
When are we going to be repaid for bailing them out?
Nicola Sturgeon,has just acquired an awful lot of new admirers,and why not over 2000 people joined the SNP after the live debate.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/new-friends/
Jim McGovern, Labour candidate for Dundee West,has stood down,with just over a month to go,until the General Election.
Mr McGovern cites health issues,as his reason for standing down.
Dundee was one of the cities that voted Yes, to independence.
I only watched it for a short while, because I don’t “do” TV.
I thought Nicola Sturgeon was the only human being there.
Its highly unusual for any of these politicians to make any sense.
She did.
Why can’t I vote for her?
Tony
I have complained to the BBC about their biased reporting on the debate (on which I have provided my own matrix of marks in a comment a short time ago on Craig’s “The Great Debate” thread).
There’s one point on which commentators on the debate – and other leaders during it – surprisingly let Cameron get away without criticism. That was his presentation of Conservative plans to save billions by pursuing rich individuals and companies for tax avoidance as if that proved Conservatives wanted all to share in the pain of bringing down the deficit. If some of the rich are simply made to pay in full the taxes they should, they are not suffering; for Cameron to imply that ceasing to cheat earns brownie points shows all to clearly how he empathises only with those who are as rich or richer than he is, especially if they donate to the Conservative Party.
Oh c’mon Tony, Leanne Wood was a breath of fresh air and kudos to her for calling out that dreadful Farage, and Natalie Bennett held her own too.
The ladies all won hands down. Wherever you are, vote for their parties.
Let’s make sure there’s a strong Green, Plaid Cymru, SNP rainbow alliance in Westminster after this GE. For the sake of all of us.
oink oink to that Mochyn.
As an economist of the LSE simply pointed out – politics should logically only be about a democratic 99% majority keeping the 1% wealth creating/profit seeking owners of capital in CHECK. To include healthnsafety,minimumwage, warmongering(incl Trident), monopolyprofiteering,universal access to justice,healthcare,education,etc,etc.Issues of the 99%.
Instead we have the BBC,FOI,New Labour,Eton old boys,Murdoch,etc skewing that simple logic. A classic example was a rifkind wanting the State to spend £2b bombing Syria to soften the ayrab muzzies for eretz by his ilk, whilst we have veterans of the 99% committing suicide after being denied PTSD disability benefits for lack of funds.
It is easy to do…
This is the entire video..
“The ITV Leaders’ Debate Live | UK Election 2015 | ITV News”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6YH4-IHME
Download the entire thing using the latest available Free Software – in The Same High Definition…
Use Youtube Editor to Edit it. It is very easy to learn..just include the bits you particularly like…
Upload your newly edited video of Nicola Sturgeon saying exactly what you think is brilliant…
And document it appropriately with tags..so that it gets a very high number of hits.
I could do it all – in less than 2 hours…well maybe 4..
But most of you guys on here have spent the last nearly 10 years slagging me off..
So do it yourself…if you can be bothered.
Or maybe someone already has???
I don’t know.
I just know I am not welcome here.
Goodnight..I am going to see a band with my friends.
Tony
Let’s hope so, Mochyn69. Such an alliance could solve many of our problems and maybe even bring us all back together. Most of our differences are not of our own making.
Leanne Wood and Nicola Sturgeon are winning hearts and minds east and west, right, left and centre. Decent people do not want Trident. Decent people are sick of war. It is sad to see so many male politicians emasculated by the Zionist/Neocon scalpel. None of them has the balls to say ‘No’ to their masters for fear the funding will cease. Which it would of course. The Neocon/Zionist oligarchs have hobbled our politicians, gelded them and put them out to grass. It would be sad really. if there was any sentiment in politics. Just toss the tossers the odd carrot to keep ’em quiet.
The so called leaders debate happened early on in the campaign in the hope that we’d all forgotten about it come election time. The rest is up to the BBC
J**** ******* ******!
The Guardian has gone totally fucking mental.
Please read their editorial about the leaders debate, but be warned! The establishment counter attack has begun already. And with such unbelievable intensity.
Would have helped if ITV had provided subtitles for Gnasher’s contributions, but I’ll have to take Craig’s word for it that Trident was mentioned at some point or other. As Habbabkuk correctly observes, it just isn’t an issue for the vast majority of the electorate (though ex-CND types can never let it go), so it is hardly surprising that it went unreported by most of the MSM (whom, I might add, are in broad agreement that Gnasher won the night – so no conspiracy there).
But what a curse the No vote has proved to be. As predicted, we now have the worst of both worlds with perenially disgruntled Scots living off the largesse of the English taxpayer demanding ever more benefits and concessions for their wannabe tinpot national socialist paradise. Quite how Scotland will make its own way and assert its independence in the face of rapidly declining oil and whiskey industries without fully subordinating itself to the EU or any other supranational organisation remains a mystery, but if the Scotch can’t make up their own minds then I suggest the English be allowed a vote to do it for them.
One thing for certain, though, is that this state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue for much longer and hence I was one of those who joined the SNP last night, and can assure the regular contributors here that I shall be fully behind them in supporting as many referenda as it takes to finally eliminate Scotch parasitism from the UK. A referendum every two weeks would be a start and the voting age should be halved to four.
If there are two words that make my blood boil, they’re “Netanyahu demands”.
“Netanyahu demands Iran nuclear deal include recognizing Israel”
http://www.globalpost.com/article/6505786/2015/04/03/netanyahu-demands-iran-nuclear-deal-include-recognising-israel
I do wish my fellow-piglets would be more discriminating and not just suck off Craig’s nearest teat. This is the Trident teat- and the MSM’s downplaying it as an issue – illogical, as Craig points out, when so much of the debate is about the need to spend or save billions of taxpayers’taxes[which includes, disproportionately, the disabled, unwaged and unemployed whenever they buy goods subject to VAT].
There’s a separate teat to sustain those wishing to explore “Appalling BBC Bias”; and another one for piglets wishing to chew over wider aspects of “The Great Debate”. Let’s not all fight over the same teat!
The two words which make my blood boil are “black boxes” , the CVR and the FDR of the crashed Germanswings plane.
They both could not have been on the same plane because they look physically so different – the CVR looks like it was still most orange but all smashed up while the FDR is totally black, and looks like it has been worked over in an incinerator – what there is no other evidence of at the crash site.
Looks like people on the ground shortly after the crash have placed this fabricated FDR, thinking that the plane would have burned when it hit the mountains, but it unfortunately, for them, was blown apart, scattering everything all over the valley without any evidence of fire. Even the other pieces of the plane show the expected white and orange paint.
Just shows how there is something that almost always goes wrong in a complicated plot.
” A classic example was a rifkind wanting the State to spend £2b bombing Syria to soften the ayrab muzzies for eretz by his ilk”
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What is a “rifkind”?
Perhaps no-one dares to question Trident because they remember what happened to Neil Kinnock when he brought up the possibility of unilateral disarmament. Immediately there were posters of soldiers with both hands raised.
There’s also the deterrent value of Trident, what with Russkies buzzing our airspace and Putin’s MIG’s being more powerful than our best planes – I think we had better improve them and fast!
Republicofscotland
“Deficit reduction that’s a good one,the last two chancellor’s have between them,spent more than all the previous chancellor’s thats gone before them.”
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I realise you’re only on here for giggles but nevertheless you should make an effort to make your attempts at humour both internally and mutually consistent.
If the previous two Chancellors have actually increased spending and thus increased rather than reduced the deficit, why do you wax indignant about the “austerity” which you claim they are carrying out?
Can increased govt spending be called austerity?
It is perhaps too often forgotten that expenditure on defence as a percentage of total UK government expenditure was around 23% in 1950, 24% in 1960 and 17% in 1970.
Or, to use the GNP comparator, it was 7% of GNP in 1965.
As expenditure on defence has decreased over the decades as a percentage of total govt expenditure, so has the percentage of total govt expenditure spent on health, social security and education increased correspondingly.
No one, therefore, can argue that defence spending at present is too high and carried out to the detriment of spending on the social services, health and education.
“There’s also the deterrent value of Trident, what with Russkies buzzing our airspace and Putin’s MIG’s being more powerful than our best planes – I think we had better improve them and fast!”
You’ve got everything the wrong way round Abe Rene. There is no threat from Russia. The threat is from the US and the Nazis being supported by the west in Ukraine. Graham Phillips, a graduate from Craig’s university, asks the very pertinent question as to where all the Nazis we were warned about in 2012 have gone. Back then out press was laying out the message about danger from neo-Nazis at football matches in Ukraine. Where did they go?
http://thetruthspeaker.co/2015/03/28/where-did-all-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-go/