Lord Carlile is amazingly unobservant. An excellent article in today’s Observer by Jay Rayner gives details of the establishment cover-up of Janner’s long continued child rapes. The silence of the Vaz draws most attention. But let us think about Alex Carlile.
Rayner states “The establishment, in the shape of his fellow MPs, men such as Labour’s Keith Vaz, Tory David Ashby and the then Lib Dem MP now Lord Carlile, closed ranks.” In the 1991 House of Commons debate deploring accusations against Janner, Carlile played a prominent part, describing Janner as a man of “integrity” and “determination”. Carlile should have known Janner fairly well. They were both MPs, both QCs, both members of Friends of Israel, both patrons of UK lawyers for Israel. The appear still to both be patrons of the Friends of Israel Educational Foundation. They were regulars on the same parliamentary committees dealing with legal affairs. They were both to leave the Commons at the same time and both to join the Lords only slightly apart.
Still, Carlile’s stalwart defence of his friend is understandable. You can’t expect him to have picked up on Janner’s secret life. Nor that of Cyril Smith. Carlile shared a small Commons office with Cyril Smith for many years. Oh dear. He really isn’t good at noticing things, is he?
Carlile’s mistress and eventual wife was a senior legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions. Cosy world, Westminster, it it not?
Carlile went on to be a stunningly illiberal “Independent” Reviewer of anti-terror legislation, where he demonstrated his independence by agreeing to absolutely everything the security services told him. 42 day detention with no charge? No problem. In fact there was no period of detention without charge posited so extreme that Carlile did not support it. Secret courts hearing intelligence evidence the defence were not allowed to see? Fine by Carlile. Control orders? Great. He is a fantastic bastion, protecting the public, is Carlile.
Even better, of course, at protecting his associates.
Coming up.
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Lord Greville Janner: CPS could face legal challenge
Victims may launch judicial review of decision to drop case as campaigner calls on House of Lords to disclose key correspondence
By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
6:02PM BST 19 Apr 2015
Alleged victims of Lord Janner of Braunstone could launch a legal action against the Director of Public Prosecution’s decision not to put the peer on trial for child sex abuse, experts have said.
Amid growing consternation over Alison Saunders’ announcement that the Labour peer will not be charged due to dementia, leading lawyers said the Crown Prosecution Service could face a damaging judicial review.
Mrs Saunders is also facing criticism over her handling of the Operation Elveden prosecutions of tabloid journalists, which have left taxpayers with a £20 million bill but secured only one conviction.
Sources close to alleged victims of Lord Janner, a barrister who has previously called for Nazi war criminals to be put on trial regardless of age-related mental conditions, said they were considering their legal options.
In another new development, campaigners have also demanded full details of Lord Janner’s recent contact with House of Lords officials which, they claim, may shed new light on his mental state.
It has been reported that Lord Janner, 86, wrote to Lords clerks earlier this month indicating he did not wish to step down as a serving peer.
John Mann, who as an MP in the last parliament spearheaded campaigns to expose alleged paedophiles in Westminster, called on the House of Lords authorities to publish all recent communication with Lord Janner.
“I don’t see how you can sign a document relating to membership of the House of Lords if you have dementia,” said Mr Mann, who is the Labour candidate contesting Bassetlaw, Notts, in the general election.
“It is unacceptable to have a situation where you could potentially vote on the laws of this country and yet are not fit to stand trial. You can’t have it both ways.
“The House of Lords authorities must be completely transparent about what communication there has been and whether Lord Janner personally signed any letters or documents.”
The DPP announced last week that a new police investigation into Lord Janner had gathered enough evidence to charge him with 22 offences between 1969 and 1988 involving nine children and young people.
But he will never now stand trial because of his dementia which had been assessed by four doctors, she added.
Leicestershire Police, which led the investigation, has already criticised the CPS decision as “perverse” and is taking legal advice on challenging it.
Experts said alleged victims could also now bring a separate challenge.
Alison Millar, a leading solicitor who acts for a number of abuse victims, said: “Potentially there could be an application for judicial review or they could look at other routes under the Human Rights Act that are engaged by this.
“Any claim for judicial review would look at whether the DPP’s decision is unlawful and whether there are any inconsistencies in the issues she needed to look at.
“Lord Macdonald, the former DPP, has taken the unusual step of being quite frank that this is not what he would have done.
“I think a judicial review could be considered. It is a shocking and surprising affair.”
Lord Macdonald of River Glaven, who stepped down as DPP in 2008, said: “It might have been wiser for the CPS now to say we’re going to have this matter resolved in the full public glare of a courtroom rather than simply by the DPP.”
The CPS has previously pursued at least one court case for historic sex abuse when the defendant was unfit to stand trial.
In 2010 businessman Michael Collingwood, 68, was accused of abusing young girls in the 1980s and 1990s, although the proceedings stopped short of a criminal trial the facts of the case were fully aired in court.
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, entered the debate at the weekend when she told the BBC she was concerned by the decision not to prosecute.
“I was very concerned when I heard about this decision,” she said.
“I have been very clear in everything I have said so far about the child sexual abuse issue. I expect to see justice done.”
The allegations against Lord Janner were first made by a paedophile who was prosecuted in 1991 and dismissed as a slur.
A victim came forward in 2002 but evidence was not put to the CPS by police and a decision not to pursue allegations by a further victim four years later was taken by local prosecutors and not referred to CPS chiefs.
Many thanks again, John. Will read it now. Won’t feel too guilty re the foot-long — am sure others will find it interesting too. Take good care!
no problem
Craig,
The name “Magic Circle” may be causing confusion. Janner was a member of the organisation of magicians called “The Magic Circle”. Then there was a sex and blackmail scandal in Edinburgh in 1989 which the press dubbed “The Magic Circle”
The “Henderson” mentioned above was an Edinburgh QC. His daughter has recently waived her right to anonymity to claim that she was raped as a child by her father, Tory MP Nicholas Fairbairn, and others.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/call-for-inquiry-into-scots-historical-sex-abuse-1-3511956
“I now wonder if I ought to have paid rather more attention, as it seems Janner was very much connected with that organisation.” it’s Being called Human wee Mistooks
Node Thank for that.. Re Anon….I have made a wee bit of Distance… But Anon Seem Hell bent on Justice for this, ..Peace Bro
Hollie Greig
Just So You Know,,,Craig Ect… Hollie Greig .. We Still Look At this
Guano
“Habbabkuk’s keenness to defend Janner is disturbing to say the least. Who would defend even an acquaintance who was a paedophile rapist? A Habbabkuk?”
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If you had bothered to look more closely, Birdshit, you would have noticed that my posts were about what Craig was saying about Lord Carlile. As far as I know, Lord Carlile is not being accused of paedophilia.
Herbie
“I suppose it had to be dementia.
They could hardly have had two suspected establishment paedophiles dying themselves away to unmarked graves, in quick succession, just as they were facing the beak.”
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I suppose that’s a reference to Lord Brittan?
You know that dead men can’t sue but you still haven’t got the guts to name him, have you.
The oh-so-courageous internet warrior Herbie.
Node,
Thanks, that’s interesting. But I don’t think that is what he was trying to say. The Fettes thing is interesting. I have spoken against the bulk of the senior Scottish legal establishment coming from a narrow social base, in discussion of a written constitution.
Mr Goss
“Weren’t you at Oxford Lysias? Was it like that then?”
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He most certainly was, John, but he can’t remember at which college.
But I believe he has answered your question with his rather summary “there was a certain element like that at Oxford, but it was far from being everybody.”
Obviously, clear and taut writing was not required on his Greats course: if there was only a certain element like that, then obviously it could not have been everybody.
Sigh…….
One thing to note is Tom Watson’s peculiar silence now that we are dealing with a suspected Labour paedophile. It’s almost as deathly as his silence on the Mirror phone hacking scandal.
It’s so sad that some people commenting here seek to project paedophiles child rapist and murderers. How much did they pay you for your soul? You sad sick ba $ trds
Having worked in child protection and the misfortune to be in close proximity to a number of psychopaths, I can’t help seeing psychopathic traits in most of our glorious leaders. It is no surprise to me that they enjoy the rape torture and murders of the most vulnerable children. It’s what psychopaths do. I would be extremely surprised if this is not going on today. I’m damn sure it is
On a completely different tack, I wonder if Lord Janner is still a “strategic asset for the state of Israel?”
http://embassies.gov.il/london/NewsAndEvents/Pages/Israel-recognises-Lord-Janner%E2%80%99s-unique-contribution.aspx
Worth noting other luminaries present – Mick Davis, major Tory donor (favours neocons like Gove; former boss of Xstrata, merged with Glencore through good and highly paid offices of A. Blair, with Qatari backing) and Jon -Lord – Mendelsohn* (Director of ‘Progress’, major Labour lobbyist, chum of Levy (qv))
*No relation to Lord Mandelson, of course. And hence possibly not in Keith Vaz’s orbit.
Habbabkuk on 19 April @ 7.23 pm – Ad hominem arguments are perfectly valid when what is at issue is a person’s character and their ability to think critically, both of which come into play over dealing with evidence about a friend’s behaviour and being an independent reviewer of legislation. Lord Carlile conjugates such matters along these lines: “My judgement is faultless; your judgement is trusting to a fault; his/her prejudices render their judgements irredeemably faulty.”
900 drowned in an unfettered ever increasing scramble for economic refuge, a buggered “gaddafy’s revenge” may prove even more damaging than “montezuma’s revenge” did to Europe. And if the neocons under kagan in Washington have their way, 4m population Greece will cease to exist after a 5m horde alights from a dismembered Syria, a highly likely “assad’s revenge” scenario that may even sound the death knell for the EU – no wonder a meeting at the highest level is scheduled.
Lampedusa
I think it was Habbabkuk who pointed out that the majority of the refugees are from sub-Saharan Africa. I am confident, however, that you will still be able to find a way to claim it’s all our fault.
I witnessed the trauma of child abuse at Potters Bar Sea Cadets. Frequently groups of young sea-cadets were taken out after dark into nearby woods by the ‘instructor’ on night exercises. On completion the ‘instructor’ would take some boys back to his house for a bath to clean up. These boys were abused in the bathroom. The ‘instructor’ was eventually arrested after a boy had his bottom severely injured requiring A&E.
That is the reality and why Lord Janner and his friends must be prosecuted. One must question friends such as Keith Vaz, chairman of Parliament’s home affairs committee who was among the senior Members of Parliament who defended Janner against the child sex abuse allegations.
Keith Vaz is best friends with Stephen Purdew. Vaz attended Stephen Purdew’s wedding along with Purdew’s very good friend Jimmy Savile.
http://www.ukcolumn.org/forum/childrens-issues/st-francis-boys-home-bedfordshire
We know Janner spoke in the Lords for years AFTER he allegedly got dementia.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044366/Janner-spoke-Lords-years-dementia-diagnosis-stopped-police-raid-home.html
I intend to break the UK security services and the UK elite continuing protection of child abuse rings organised by upper class, gilt edged people, the so called untouchable members of the Kosher Nostra with Lord Neuberger President of the supreme court as the gate-keeper.
Quite frankly the Queens honors list and the sex offence register appear to be merging
There must be no cover-up. Please write letters. Thank-you.
@Anon1 – it was gaddafy’s Libya that held them in check, there is a failed state there now, a people smugglers free for all along the endless coast.
“It was gaddafy’s Libya that held them in check”
By “held them in check” I presume you mean the racist persecution of the Toubou tribe by the Gaddafi regime? The same tribe that historically got involved in people smuggling only because there were no other economic avenues left open to it.
Habbabkuk
You spend every day defending the indefensible so far as Israel’s treatment of children is concerned, 2000 miles away. Is this defence of Lord Carlile a little bit too close to your comfort zone? The UK continues to create havoc throughout the Muslim world but I put it to you that Palestinian children continue to throw stones at IDF military vehicles. No child that has been raped by the establishment has yet been given a chance to throw a stone. You plead ignorance for Lord Carlile when he covers up this child oppression.
Are you not ashamed about anything?
@Anon1 – sorry you dont have a sense of truth – you are just digressing, its simply that this level of mass migration did not occur prior to gaddafy’s ouster. In fact he was bound by an agreement with Italy to prevent it.
Which he did so brutally. Digressing? Yes I do digress from the simpleton’s narrative that the West is to blame for everything. Had Gaddafi been left in power you would be complaining that we prop up dictatorships. In fact that’s exactly what your lot were saying when we did work with Gaddafi.
Giyane
Buggery of young boys is rife throughout the Muslim world. It is barely ever prosecuted. But like most Muslims you are far more concerned with what’s happening in Israel.
Mark “Walt” Golding
“I intend to break the UK security services and the UK elite continuing protection of child abuse rings organised by upper class, gilt edged people, the so called untouchable members of the Kosher Nostra with Lord Neuberger President of the supreme court as the gate-keeper.”
Well, you’ll be doing no such thing because you are an internet-based loon living in a land of make-believe.
Your “Kosher Nostra” reveals you to be an anti-semite who is only interested in cases of paedophilia in which the perpetrator is Jewish and/or a supporter of Israel.
@Anon1 – Toubou or not toubou is not the question ! Or brutal or etc,the issue is “gaddafy’s revenge” – what happens now? Is the famous N Italian refrain “Africa (or Arabia) begins south of Rome!” going to become a hard reality on the ground, with this uncheckable flow?
BTW-this is our European issue please go back to your sofa overlooking Gaza, mebbe thats why you are unable to see whats being said.
“@Anon1 – Toubou or not toubou is not the question ! Or brutal or etc,the issue is “gaddafy’s revenge” – what happens now? Is the famous N Italian refrain “Africa (or Arabia) begins south of Rome!” going to become a hard reality on the ground, with this uncheckable flow?”
Sounds like you are positively willing it on.
“BTW-this is our European issue please go back to your sofa overlooking Gaza, mebbe thats why you are unable to see whats being said.”
And it reveals itself. It never takes much to get down to the core issue.
@Anon1 – yes the core issue is 170k last year increasing exponentially now, perhaps you can tell of your israeli solution to this economic migrants.
“Buggery of young boys is rife throughout the Muslim world” – Islamophobia? Anon1 –
No! I do not need to change my behaviour to fulfil the social role of responsibility at the helm of protecting the innocent.
If that is eccentric or deranged to you then I must ask why are you on deck in a responsible discussion making a bum rap?
From your previous Anon1 I understand why you need to remain – well.. Anon. or more correctly pseudonymous.